John Ashcroft and B00bies!

[Queasy]

Ummm guys, those statues have been a running joke with the media for years and years. If you have ever been to a press conference there, you'll see photographers crawling around on the floor trying to get the perfect shot of the speaker at the podium and the naked lady or man in the background. The most noticeable joke, as mentioned above, was the picture of the press conference on pornography with the naked lady behind the AG. This happens everytime there is a press conference in that room.

This is not about censorship as much as it is taking a long-running joke out of the media's hands.

 

[Fausto]

I think the issue here is not so much that Ashcroft is standing by his aide's decision to waste tax dollars to cover art (although at 2k per rental, why not just f*cking buy some and keep them around dammit!) , it's that it's indicative of his personal beliefs bleeding over into his professional decision-making. I to this day can't believe that someone as deeply conservative in a religious sense as he is occupies the Attorney General's office. I just don't think he's capable of making impartial AG decisions without them being tainted by his beliefs and this definitely backs up my thinking along those lines.

This is not a poke at religion BTW, I just think it needs to be as separate as possible from the creation and enforcement of law.

Fausto

 

[JoeBaD]

The other ststaue, I believe, was of a man with his genitals hanging out. Well guess what? I wouldn't want to be giving a serious speech in front of that either.

And censorship my arse. When he friggin' liberals censor something you're just "being sensitive".

I don't think half of you liberals on this board are not too far removed from the days that mommy would wipe your arses.

suck on that.

 

[WageSlave]

How many thousands of ways could that money have been better spent? This enrages me. I have already sent numerous e-mails voicing my opinion. I suggest the rest of the herd do the same, that is, if spending 8k on curtains seems a tad outrageous to you.

 

[Queasy]

"How many thousands of ways could that money have been better spent? This enrages me. I have already sent numerous e-mails voicing my opinion. I suggest the rest of the herd do the same, that is, if spending 8k on curtains seems a tad outrageous to you."

Do you have any idea how huge those curtains have to be to cover up the statues? In terms of all the fivolous spending that goes on in D.C., they got a great deal for the curtains at $8k.

 

[Infos]

Well said Fausto1

 

[Fausto]

Uh...it's art that has been there since the 30's and it's being covered up because it apparently offends someone....how is that not censorship? I mean, I could understand some coverage if the two statues were copulating, but that's not the case is it?



<< I don't think half of you liberals on this board are not too far removed from the days that mommy would wipe your arses >>



Ah, most clever of you. I see now what lofty thoughts I may one day aspire to as I grow older and my memories of maternal wiping fade. Make a rational contribution or shut the hell up....there's nothing worse than when one's only contribution to a thread is to point a finger and shout "God D*amn you liberals/conservatives!!! This is all your fault!!"

Fausto

 

[SuperTool]

Ashcroft is a sick guy. He is just afraid he'll get a woodie during a press conference, so he is covering it up.

 

[Queasy]

"it's that it's indicative of his personal beliefs bleeding over into his professional decision-making. I to this day can't believe that someone as deeply conservative in a religious sense as he is occupies the Attorney General's office. I just don't think he's capable of making impartial AG decisions without them being tainted by his beliefs and this definitely backs up my thinking along those lines."

Examples of his personal beliefs affecting his professional decision-making please?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Wasn't it the Kinks? Paranoia may destroya

Throwing up a curtain is silly

Saying that Ashcroft is going to do X because he personally believes Y is like saying a liberal AG if going to force women to HAVE abortions, or whatever. That is silly as well.

 

[Infos]

You really think a sick f^ck like ashcroft is publicizing all his inside moves?:disgust:

Bottom line, with his outdated belief system he should not be in such an important position
compassionate conservatism what a joke!!
GW is a joke He never should have appointed this pecker head

 

[MichaelD]

<< These are the same people who think breast feeding an offensive and dirty thing that should be done in private. >>



Breast feeding SHOULD be done in private. I am not a prude. FAR from it. I like porn, I think it's great. However, breast feeding is public nudity as far as I'm concerned. To me, there's no diff b/t a nude beach and public breastfeeding.

I do not want to be sitting in Mcdonalds eating a Big Mac and have some Lactating Lucy plop her fat ass next to me, whip out a booby and stick it in Junior's mouth. THAT OFFENDS ME. I don't care if she's got a gorgeous rack or not..."now" is not the time for me to be looking at it.

On more than one occassion, I've asked breastfeeding mothers to please conceal their breasts. I ask them to please use the ladies room for feeding. Public nudity is public nudity, period.

The biggest kick I get of of public breastfeeding is when some group of uncouth men decide to walk right on over and stare at her breasts. Of course, Lactating Lucy gets all offended and yells at them. Then, the uncouth men RIGHTFULLY tell her; "honey, you got your boobs out in the open, as far as I'm concerned you're fair game for some starining!"

Don't give me any "but she's being a caring mother" BS. Frankly, I don't give a sh!t about that whole "warm and fuzzy" crap. It's public nudity, period. And that's how I feel about that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Infos- here is my point. Because a persons belief system is not the same as yours that does not mean that he is a threat to you. Take us as an example. I do not agree with many things you believe in. By you arguments against Ashcroft that makes me outmoded and a threat. But to who? To you? I think you should be free to voice your contrary opinion. I however am a conservative. Lets take me personally. Am I compassionate? Demonstrate your point. Following your argument, I cannot have done a kind thing for anyone. How do you know it is so? I am not going to fire back with pointless examples, but there are many like me who have done good for others, and there are many who are quick to label themselves as rightous liberal guardians of the poor who do not. Can liberals be compassionate? Of course. Not because they are the same or different than me, but because they choose to do so. I would therefore say that calling some by a liberal or conservative tag to attack them on how they feel about "compassion" in unfair and incorrect

Edit for stupid editing

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< all the changes he's making to the legal systemt >>



Would you like to list some of these changes he's making. I can't seem to find any.

 

[Infos]

After the Fl. fiasco Bush made placating noises
with the compassionate conservatism spiel
those aren't my words.....
and then his first official act is to appoint this neanderthal
I am a crazy kind of guy,
I believe your deeds should match your words
Not just be thrown out there for sound bites :disgust:

 

[ToBeMe]

<< You really think a sick f^ck like ashcroft is publicizing all his inside moves?:disgust:

Bottom line, with his outdated belief system he should not be in such an important position
compassionate conservatism what a joke!!
GW is a joke He never should have appointed this pecker head >>


Do me a favor and please list all the ways this guy is a SICK F^CK...................so basicly you're saying everyone whom holds ideals from the past or has strong religious convictions, or is passionate about a certain thing because of a traumatic expierience is a sick f^ck?????? The guy has a lot of views from a by-gone era and some due to his wife being raped, and I agree that he should not try to impose all his views upon the nation, but, "sick f^ck" for having his own opinions, opinions in which probably 80% of those over 55 agree with????? I think not............

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Infos- to beat a dead horse. You are allowed to not like the man. You can call him names, but specifically what has he done that you disagree with, and can you give an example of what he has done that has hurt anyone. There are some things I do not like everything about Bush policy BTW. So I am not trying to fry you, I just want a concrete example to back up your thoughts, not your emotions. Also BTW in real life I have a temper and can get pretty pissed, so I make a habit of calming down and really try to see both sides before I punch someone in the nose.

 

[Woodie]

I'm not sure that 80% of people over 55 agree with him. Ashcroft had trouble getting confirmed, for precisely the reasons expressed here: His willingness to enforce the Laws of the Land, when his personal beliefs conflict with the law.

"Other laws he's enacted": He cannot enact legislation--he's part of the executive branch. What he has done is go to Congress and request extremely broad police powers, encompassing search and seizure, more wire-tapping, non-judicial wire-tapping, as well as detainment of non-citizens. Mind you, Congress gave him pretty much everything he asked for.

I think a good portion of that legislation should have been time-limited, so that it could be reviewed in a non-crisis environment.

--Woodie

 

[BDawg]

<< The other ststaue, I believe, was of a man with his genitals hanging out. Well guess what? I wouldn't want to be giving a serious speech in front of that either. >>



The other statue is of a man, but he is wearing a loincloth.

Even if his genitals were hanging out, the woman's aren't. Breasts != genitals. It's not like she's spread eagle, giving a peek of her cervix.

As for thinking breastfeeding is gross, you need serious help, MichaelD. Breastfeeding is normal and natural. Being ashamed of it is the devient behavior. Asking a woman to feed her child in a filthy smelly bathroom is just a disgusting idea.

 

[Aelus]

<< I do not want to be sitting in Mcdonalds eating a Big Mac and have some Lactating Lucy plop her fat ass next to me, whip out a booby and stick it in Junior's mouth. THAT OFFENDS ME. I don't care if she's got a gorgeous rack or not..."now" is not the time for me to be looking at it. >>



breast feeding has nothing to do with sex, if you can't see the difference, maybe you should see a doctor.

Aelus

 

[Lucky]

<< As for thinking breastfeeding is gross, you need serious help, MichaelD. Breastfeeding is normal and natural. Being ashamed of it is the devient behavior. Asking a woman to feed her child in a filthy smelly bathroom is just a disgusting idea.
>>

 

[kgraeme]

Ashcroft is all about covering up justice. This just happens to be a literal example of it.

Off the top of my head list:
Leading a "war" on terrorism that hasn't routed the real terrorists, but instead targets a sovreign nation's government that we just happened to also dislike. Say what you want about "harboring", but there were many many more dipolmatic ways to handle this.

Making excuses for bombing homes and Red Cross camps.

Refusing a U.S. citizen access to his lawyer.

Making John Walker a scapegoat because they haven't caught Osama bin Laden.

Refusing to follow Geneva Conventions on prisoners of war.

Many domestic erosions of basic civil liberties with the anti-terrorism bill he basically forced Congress to pass.



Before people jump all over me about being a liberal peace-nik hippy, know that I FULLY support bringing the parties responsible for 9-11 to justice. I also did not vote for either Clinton or Gore. I also think that Powell is doing an excellent job under the circumstances. What I take serious offense to is the trampling of the U.S. Constitution and international law in the name of Bush and Ashcroft's personal little "war on terrorism", a "war" that if you think about it can NEVER be won through our current actions because it breeds more terrorists.

 

[MichaelD]

<< As for thinking breastfeeding is gross, you need serious help, MichaelD. Breastfeeding is normal and natural. Being ashamed of it is the devient behavior. Asking a woman to feed her child in a filthy smelly bathroom is just a disgusting idea. >>




You guys failed Reading Comprehension, didn't you? I never stated "Breastfeeding is gross." What I said was, breastfeeding is public nudity, period. If a woman is sitting on the bus with her breasts hanging out while sipping coffee is unacceptable, then so is a woman holding a baby with her breasts hanging out. Simple.

Read twice, comprehend it, then talk to me.

 

[Aelus]

<< You guys failed Reading Comprehension, didn't you? I never stated "Breastfeeding is gross." What I said was, breastfeeding is public nudity, period. If a woman is sitting on the bus with her breasts hanging out while sipping coffee is unacceptable, then so is a woman holding a baby with her breasts hanging out. Simple. >>



there's a major difference between a woman showing her breasts to attract attention, and a woman pulling out a breast because her baby is hungry, and she has to feed it.

feeding a child has nothing to do with sex, if you can't help to think about sex when seeing a baby being fed, don't look.

i can't help but think of afghanistan btw, where women are also being looked at poorly if they do "public nudity".

If your mind is that sick you think about sex when seeing breastfeeding, and therefor, women should be prohibited from feeding their childs in public, maybe they should also wear a cloth over their face to prevent you from thinking about sex when you see their face.

Aelus

 

[Capn]

"feeding a child has nothing to do with sex, if you can't help to think about sex when seeing a baby being fed, don't look."

Where did he say anything about sex? Seriously, nobody at AT has any reading comprehension whatsoever, this thread a perfect example.