Joe the Plumber

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
"As far as the Republican Party? I felt connected to it because individual freedom should not be legislated by the federal government."

The guy doesnt even know what his own party stands for.

The left protects individual freedom you dumbass. It's your stupid party that wants the federal goverment to legislate what you can and cant do in your own home, what you do to your own body, who you marry etc.

Maybe he should become a Democrat.

Actually, that is wrong, liberals protect the freedom of the people and i'm not so sure they are LEFT of the conservative party which seems to have an agenda that the state should control everything and have the right to do anything.

You fail at understanding the difference between left and right.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
"As far as the Republican Party? I felt connected to it because individual freedom should not be legislated by the federal government."

The guy doesnt even know what his own party stands for.

The left protects individual freedom you dumbass. It's your stupid party that wants the federal goverment to legislate what you can and cant do in your own home, what you do to your own body, who you marry etc.

Maybe he should become a Democrat.

Actually, that is wrong, liberals protect the freedom of the people and i'm not so sure they are LEFT of the conservative party which seems to have an agenda that the state should control everything and have the right to do anything.

You fail at understanding the difference between left and right.

No, i think you don't get it, you see, authoritarian governments are per need socialistic. taxes and such isn't even important when measuring that, socialism (which i kind of hope we can agree on "the left" in your strange political spectrum) has to do with the CONTROL and INFLUENCE over the market, you may think the market is just corporations but its's also consumers.

Now that i have explained that to you, let me also explain something else, there is a whole world outside of the US, believe it or not. I'm from the UK, i'm a right wing liberal.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
"As far as the Republican Party? I felt connected to it because individual freedom should not be legislated by the federal government."

The guy doesnt even know what his own party stands for.

The left protects individual freedom you dumbass. It's your stupid party that wants the federal goverment to legislate what you can and cant do in your own home, what you do to your own body, who you marry etc.

Maybe he should become a Democrat.

Actually, that is wrong, liberals protect the freedom of the people and i'm not so sure they are LEFT of the conservative party which seems to have an agenda that the state should control everything and have the right to do anything.

You fail at understanding the difference between left and right.

No, i think you don't get it, you see, authoritarian governments are per need socialistic. taxes and such isn't even important when measuring that, socialism (which i kind of hope we can agree on "the left" in your strange political spectrum) has to do with the CONTROL and INFLUENCE over the market, you may think the market is just corporations but its's also consumers.

Now that i have explained that to you, let me also explain something else, there is a whole world outside of the US, believe it or not. I'm from the UK, i'm a right wing liberal.

Facepalm.

Not all authoritarian goverments are socialistic. You can have left or right wing authoritarian goverments.

In general the Left protect social and civil freedoms, but regulate markets. The right wing believe in free markets but regulate social and civil freedoms.

Hence, the Left protects individual freedoms, which is exactly what I said in my original post.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

"liberals protect the freedom of the people and i'm not so sure they are LEFT of the conservative party"

Liberals are left, conservatives are right. How can liberals not be on the left of the conservative party?!

You should really go and learn about politics before posting anymore on this forum.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
"As far as the Republican Party? I felt connected to it because individual freedom should not be legislated by the federal government."

The guy doesnt even know what his own party stands for.

The left protects individual freedom you dumbass. It's your stupid party that wants the federal goverment to legislate what you can and cant do in your own home, what you do to your own body, who you marry etc.

Maybe he should become a Democrat.

Actually, that is wrong, liberals protect the freedom of the people and i'm not so sure they are LEFT of the conservative party which seems to have an agenda that the state should control everything and have the right to do anything.

You fail at understanding the difference between left and right.

No, i think you don't get it, you see, authoritarian governments are per need socialistic. taxes and such isn't even important when measuring that, socialism (which i kind of hope we can agree on "the left" in your strange political spectrum) has to do with the CONTROL and INFLUENCE over the market, you may think the market is just corporations but its's also consumers.

Now that i have explained that to you, let me also explain something else, there is a whole world outside of the US, believe it or not. I'm from the UK, i'm a right wing liberal.

Facepalm.

Not all authoritarian goverments are socialistic. You can have left or right wing authoritarian goverments.

In general the Left protect social and civil freedoms, but regulate markets. The right wing believe in free markets but regulate social and civil freedoms.

Hence, the Left protects individual freedoms, which is exactly what I said in my original post.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

"liberals protect the freedom of the people and i'm not so sure they are LEFT of the conservative party"

Liberals are left, conservatives are right. How can liberals not be on the left of the conservative party?!

You should really go and learn about politics before posting anymore on this forum.

Kind of a candid camera moment here.

I'll give you a hint. Which side of the road do the brits drive on?

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
"As far as the Republican Party? I felt connected to it because individual freedom should not be legislated by the federal government."

The guy doesnt even know what his own party stands for.

The left protects individual freedom you dumbass. It's your stupid party that wants the federal goverment to legislate what you can and cant do in your own home, what you do to your own body, who you marry etc.

Maybe he should become a Democrat.

Actually, that is wrong, liberals protect the freedom of the people and i'm not so sure they are LEFT of the conservative party which seems to have an agenda that the state should control everything and have the right to do anything.

You fail at understanding the difference between left and right.

No, i think you don't get it, you see, authoritarian governments are per need socialistic. taxes and such isn't even important when measuring that, socialism (which i kind of hope we can agree on "the left" in your strange political spectrum) has to do with the CONTROL and INFLUENCE over the market, you may think the market is just corporations but its's also consumers.

Now that i have explained that to you, let me also explain something else, there is a whole world outside of the US, believe it or not. I'm from the UK, i'm a right wing liberal.

Facepalm.

Not all authoritarian goverments are socialistic. You can have left or right wing authoritarian goverments.

In general the Left protect social and civil freedoms, but regulate markets. The right wing believe in free markets but regulate social and civil freedoms.

Hence, the Left protects individual freedoms, which is exactly what I said in my original post.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

"liberals protect the freedom of the people and i'm not so sure they are LEFT of the conservative party"

Liberals are left, conservatives are right. How can liberals not be on the left of the conservative party?!

You should really go and learn about politics before posting anymore on this forum.

Kind of a candid camera moment here.

I'll give you a hint. Which side of the road do the brits drive on?

Wat.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
...
Wat.

JohnOfSheffield's a brit.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
...
Wat.

JohnOfSheffield's a brit.

Yeah, I got that when he said he was from the UK.

I meant the "Kind of a candid camera moment here."

What does that mean?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
...
Wat.

JohnOfSheffield's a brit.

Yeah, I got that when he said he was from the UK.

I meant the "Kind of a candid camera moment here."

What does that mean?

You are accusing him of not knowing his left from his right. Aren't the two reversed for the brits?

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
...
Wat.

JohnOfSheffield's a brit.

Yeah, I got that when he said he was from the UK.

I meant the "Kind of a candid camera moment here."

What does that mean?

You are accusing him of not knowing his left from his right. Aren't the two reversed for the brits?

Err, no. Their left is the same as your left. They just drive on the left, not the right.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
...
Wat.

JohnOfSheffield's a brit.

Yeah, I got that when he said he was from the UK.

I meant the "Kind of a candid camera moment here."

What does that mean?

You are accusing him of not knowing his left from his right. Aren't the two reversed for the brits?

Err, no. Their left is the same as your left. They just drive on the left, not the right.

Ok. It's not what I thought but it's more complicated than what you thought.

This might help explain the confusion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...political-spectrum.png

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
...
Wat.

JohnOfSheffield's a brit.

Yeah, I got that when he said he was from the UK.

I meant the "Kind of a candid camera moment here."

What does that mean?

You are accusing him of not knowing his left from his right. Aren't the two reversed for the brits?

Err, no. Their left is the same as your left. They just drive on the left, not the right.

Ok. It's not what I thought but it's more complicated than what you thought.

This might help explain the confusion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...political-spectrum.png

Obviously I oversimplified it. I'm not writing a god damn essay here.

JohnOfSheffield is still as dumb as a box of rocks.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: jonks
http://coloradoindependent.com...acy-and-gop-hypocrites

Christianity Today: In the last month, same-sex marriage has become legal in Iowa and Vermont. What do you think about same-sex marriage at a state level?

Wurzelbacher: At a state level, it's up to them. I don't want it to be a federal thing. I personally still think it's wrong. People don't understand the dictionary--it's called queer. Queer means strange and unusual. It's not like a slur, like you would call a white person a beloved patriot or something like that. You know, God is pretty explicit in what we're supposed to do--what man and woman are for. Now, at the same time, we're supposed to love everybody and accept people, and preach against the sins. I've had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn't have them anywhere near my children. But at the same time, they're people, and they're going to do their thing.

We had so many characters pop out last year they need to make a movie called The 2008 Election Season. But once again, this is the sentiment of the republican base. Self identified Reps are polling 21%...how many more are gonna jump ship before it bottoms out?

Oh, and Joe, no, you don't have homosexual friends. Trust me on this one.

Can't you lefty liberals do anything besides attack people who don't agree with you?

Hi, Pot calling Kettle, whats up.

Just kindly point me to where I have ever created a thread in AT P&N

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Why is this idiot still in the news? Because morons like you guys talk about him. He's just a fool, stop giving him the attention he craves.

"In an interview published in Christianity Today, Joe the Plumber opines on politics and GOP rebranding efforts while professing his love for Focus on the Family?s James Dobson and slurring ?queers? whom he won?t let near his children."

Are you calling Christianity Today morons?

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Everyone has spent so much effort demonizing Joe the Plumber so that everyone forgets about Obama's answer to his question. I don't care if Joe is the lowliest scumbag on the face of the Earth, the part that matters is that Obama responded to him by saying that it's good when we spread the wealth around.

?Spread the Wealth??

Outside Toledo, Ohio, on Sunday, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was approached by plumber Joe Wurzelbacher, a big, bald man with a goatee who asked Obama if he believes in the American dream.

"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher said. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"

Obama said, "First off, you would get a 50% tax credit so you'd get a tax cut for your healthcare costs?.. if your revenue is above 250 ? then from 250 down, your taxes are going to stay the same. It is true that from 250 up ? from 250 ? 300 or so, so for that additional amount, you?d go from 36 to 39%, which is what it was under Bill Clinton. And the reason why we?re doing that is because 95% of small businesses make less than 250. So what I want to do is give them a tax cut. I want to give all these folks who are bus drivers, teachers, auto workers who make less, I want to give them a tax cut. And so what we?re doing is, we are saying that folks who make more than 250 that that marginal amount above 250 ? they?re gonna be taxed at a 39 instead of a 36% rate.?

Responded Wurzelbacher, "the reason I ask you about the American dream, I mean I've worked hard. I'm a plumber. I work 10-12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American dream."

"Well," said Obama, "here's a way of thinking about it. How long have been a plumber?"

Wurzelbacher said 15 years.

Obama says, ?Over the last 15 years, when you weren?t making 250, you would have been given a tax cut from me, so you?d actually have more money, which means you would have saved more, which means you would have gotten to the point where you could build your small business quicker than under the current tax code. So there are two ways of looking at it ? I mean one way of looking at it is, now that you?ve become more successful through hard work ? you don?t want to be taxed as much.?

?Exactly," Wurzelbacher said.

Obama continued, ?But another way of looking at it is 95% of folks who are making less than 250, they may be working hard too, but they?re being taxed at a higher rate than they would be under mine. So what I?m doing is, put yourself back 10 years ago when you were only making whatever, 60 or 70. Under my tax plan you would be keeping more of your paycheck, you?d be paying lower taxes, which means you would have saved?Now look, nobody likes high taxes."

"No," said Wurzelbacher.

"Of course not," said Obama. "But what?s happened is that we end up ? we?ve cut taxes a lot for folks like me who make a lot more than 250. We haven?t given a break to folks who make less, and as a consequence, the average wage and income for ordinary folks, the vast majority of Americans, has actually gone down over the last eight years. So all I want to do is ? I?ve got a tax cut. The only thing that changes, is I?m gonna cut taxes a little bit more for the folks who are most in need and for the 5% of the folks who are doing very well - even though they?ve been working hard and I appreciate that ? I just want to make sure they?re paying a little bit more in order to pay for those other tax cuts. Now, I respect the disagreement. I just want you to be clear ? it?s not that I want to punish your success ? I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you ? that they?ve got a chance at success too.?

Wurzelbacher said it seemed as though Obama might support a flat tax.

Obama says, ?you know, I would be open to it except here?s the problem with a flat tax is that if you actually put a flat tax together, in order for it to work and replace all the revenue that we?ve got, you?d probably end up having to make it like about a 40% sales tax. I mean that?s the value added, making it up. Now some people say 23 or 25, but in truth when you add up all the revenue that would need to be raised, you?d have to slap on a whole bunch of sales taxes on. And I do believe for folks like me who have worked hard, but frankly also been lucky, I don?t mind paying just a little bit more than the waitress that I just met over there who?s things are slow and she can barely make the rent."

Obama said, "My attitude is that if the economy?s good for folks from the bottom up, it?s gonna be good for everybody. If you?ve got a plumbing business, you?re gonna be better off if you?re gonna be better off if you?ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody?s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it?s good for everybody."

That's the key moment McCain is jumping out?"when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody."

"But listen," Obama said, shaking Wurzelbacher's hand, "I respect what you do and I respect your question, and even if I don?t get your vote, I?m still gonna be working hard on your behalf, because small businesses are what creates jobs in this country and I want to encourage it.?

"Guys I gotta get out of here and go prepare for the debate," Obama said, "but that was pretty good practice right there."

 

[heyheybooboo]

Draft Joe !
Tell Joe To Run For Congress.

Secure our dreams, Joe. You probably won't get the **Queer** vote, anyway ...




:laugh:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Harvey
In 2012, Repubs can run Sarah Palin and Joe Wurzelbacher, just so they can bill them as Dumb and Plumber.

I actually saw a 'Sarah Palin 2012' bumper sticker in a parking lot last weekend. Had to grab a shot of it... LINK

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
On behalf of Joes everywhere, this fool is an embarrassment to the name.

lol

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Harvey
In 2012, Repubs can run Sarah Palin and Joe Wurzelbacher, just so they can bill them as Dumb and Plumber.

I actually saw a 'Sarah Palin 2012' bumper sticker in a parking lot last weekend. Had to grab a shot of it... LINK

Trust me, Palin won't run again in 2012. No one wants to see Obama win a second term.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: masteryoda34
Everyone has spent so much effort demonizing Joe the Plumber so that everyone forgets about Obama's answer to his question. I don't care if Joe is the lowliest scumbag on the face of the Earth, the part that matters is that Obama responded to him by saying that it's good when we spread the wealth around.

?Spread the Wealth??

Outside Toledo, Ohio, on Sunday, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was approached by plumber Joe Wurzelbacher, a big, bald man with a goatee who asked Obama if he believes in the American dream.

"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher said. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"

Obama said, "First off, you would get a 50% tax credit so you'd get a tax cut for your healthcare costs?.. if your revenue is above 250 ? then from 250 down, your taxes are going to stay the same. It is true that from 250 up ? from 250 ? 300 or so, so for that additional amount, you?d go from 36 to 39%, which is what it was under Bill Clinton. And the reason why we?re doing that is because 95% of small businesses make less than 250. So what I want to do is give them a tax cut. I want to give all these folks who are bus drivers, teachers, auto workers who make less, I want to give them a tax cut. And so what we?re doing is, we are saying that folks who make more than 250 that that marginal amount above 250 ? they?re gonna be taxed at a 39 instead of a 36% rate.?

Responded Wurzelbacher, "the reason I ask you about the American dream, I mean I've worked hard. I'm a plumber. I work 10-12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American dream."

"Well," said Obama, "here's a way of thinking about it. How long have been a plumber?"

Wurzelbacher said 15 years.

Obama says, ?Over the last 15 years, when you weren?t making 250, you would have been given a tax cut from me, so you?d actually have more money, which means you would have saved more, which means you would have gotten to the point where you could build your small business quicker than under the current tax code. So there are two ways of looking at it ? I mean one way of looking at it is, now that you?ve become more successful through hard work ? you don?t want to be taxed as much.?

?Exactly," Wurzelbacher said.

Obama continued, ?But another way of looking at it is 95% of folks who are making less than 250, they may be working hard too, but they?re being taxed at a higher rate than they would be under mine. So what I?m doing is, put yourself back 10 years ago when you were only making whatever, 60 or 70. Under my tax plan you would be keeping more of your paycheck, you?d be paying lower taxes, which means you would have saved?Now look, nobody likes high taxes."

"No," said Wurzelbacher.

"Of course not," said Obama. "But what?s happened is that we end up ? we?ve cut taxes a lot for folks like me who make a lot more than 250. We haven?t given a break to folks who make less, and as a consequence, the average wage and income for ordinary folks, the vast majority of Americans, has actually gone down over the last eight years. So all I want to do is ? I?ve got a tax cut. The only thing that changes, is I?m gonna cut taxes a little bit more for the folks who are most in need and for the 5% of the folks who are doing very well - even though they?ve been working hard and I appreciate that ? I just want to make sure they?re paying a little bit more in order to pay for those other tax cuts. Now, I respect the disagreement. I just want you to be clear ? it?s not that I want to punish your success ? I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you ? that they?ve got a chance at success too.?

Wurzelbacher said it seemed as though Obama might support a flat tax.

Obama says, ?you know, I would be open to it except here?s the problem with a flat tax is that if you actually put a flat tax together, in order for it to work and replace all the revenue that we?ve got, you?d probably end up having to make it like about a 40% sales tax. I mean that?s the value added, making it up. Now some people say 23 or 25, but in truth when you add up all the revenue that would need to be raised, you?d have to slap on a whole bunch of sales taxes on. And I do believe for folks like me who have worked hard, but frankly also been lucky, I don?t mind paying just a little bit more than the waitress that I just met over there who?s things are slow and she can barely make the rent."

Obama said, "My attitude is that if the economy?s good for folks from the bottom up, it?s gonna be good for everybody. If you?ve got a plumbing business, you?re gonna be better off if you?re gonna be better off if you?ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody?s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it?s good for everybody."

That's the key moment McCain is jumping out?"when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody."

"But listen," Obama said, shaking Wurzelbacher's hand, "I respect what you do and I respect your question, and even if I don?t get your vote, I?m still gonna be working hard on your behalf, because small businesses are what creates jobs in this country and I want to encourage it.?

"Guys I gotta get out of here and go prepare for the debate," Obama said, "but that was pretty good practice right there."

There are certain people who have such tiny brains that they cant understand and comprehend such a long conversation. These individuals get their news in 10-30 second sound clips and make their decisions entirely on this clip. They enjoy reinforcing their viewpoint by listening to very muted and static filled radio content that has a 3 to 1 ratio of commercials to content. They enjoy listening to the cheers and jeers of their side and rejoice in their ignorance by loudly proclaiming "ditto" and "your a great american".

To those that still regurgitate the failed Talking point generated by this conversation, you are weak and feeble. Your mind is deteriorating day after day. pretty soon Carls' JR will seize your children so you can spend more time watching Ow! My Balls!, Enjoying your Extra Big-Ass Fries while professing your love of "tea-baggin".

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Harvey
In 2012, Repubs can run Sarah Palin and Joe Wurzelbacher, just so they can bill them as Dumb and Plumber.

I actually saw a 'Sarah Palin 2012' bumper sticker in a parking lot last weekend. Had to grab a shot of it... LINK

Trust me, Palin won't run again in 2012. No one wants to see Obama win a second term.

Now quit messing with the left's wet dream.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Can't you lefty liberals do anything besides attack people who don't agree with you?

Ah, a follower of the Peggy Noonan school of thought. "Sometimes it's best to just keep walking." Torture, bigotry, eh, ignore them and it'll go away.

Sorry, when a public figure gives an interview and makes idiotic and bigoted remarks, he should be called on it. Left/right/independent/whatever. You're free to do the same, yet seem to take pride in apathy.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Harvey
In 2012, Repubs can run Sarah Palin and Joe Wurzelbacher, just so they can bill them as Dumb and Plumber.

I actually saw a 'Sarah Palin 2012' bumper sticker in a parking lot last weekend. Had to grab a shot of it... LINK

Trust me, Palin won't run again in 2012. No one wants to see Obama win a second term.

I was going to say it's a little early to say that but screw that. He's had his 100 days. Who cares if he walked into an absolute shit storm. It should be fixed now. Impeach him!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Harvey
In 2012, Repubs can run Sarah Palin and Joe Wurzelbacher, just so they can bill them as Dumb and Plumber.

I actually saw a 'Sarah Palin 2012' bumper sticker in a parking lot last weekend. Had to grab a shot of it... LINK

Trust me, Palin won't run again in 2012. No one wants to see Obama win a second term.

Yeah, no one except for the two thirds of Americans who approve of his performance so far. (approximately)

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Can't you lefty liberals do anything besides attack people who don't agree with you?

Ah, a follower of the Peggy Noonan school of thought. "Sometimes it's best to just keep walking." Torture, bigotry, eh, ignore them and it'll go away.

Sorry, when a public figure gives an interview and makes idiotic and bigoted remarks, he should be called on it. Left/right/independent/whatever. You're free to do the same, yet seem to take pride in apathy.

Pride in apathy? Please. Get your head out of your ass

Ever hear the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Can't you lefty liberals do anything besides attack people who don't agree with you?

Ah, a follower of the Peggy Noonan school of thought. "Sometimes it's best to just keep walking." Torture, bigotry, eh, ignore them and it'll go away.

Sorry, when a public figure gives an interview and makes idiotic and bigoted remarks, he should be called on it. Left/right/independent/whatever. You're free to do the same, yet seem to take pride in apathy.

Pride in apathy? Please. Get your head out of your ass

Ever hear the quote "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?

I was referring to your pride in never having started a thread in P&N to criticize a public figure with whom you disagreed.