Joe the Plumber? More like Joe the Scammer

[bipartisanpwnage]

A capitalist system must have a progressive tax system or else it will fail. Fair tax is a bad idea. We need to reform our current system and make it better.

 

[bipartisanpwnage]

sales tax/food tax = not progressive

 

[bipartisanpwnage]

Why don't we raise income tax on the higher incomes, keep loopholes out, and tax businesses less? Natl health insurance would also shift the burden off of businesses and simultaneously keep the middle class from going bankrupt from medical expenses. Yay!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Stop shining the spotlight on this idiot. I was really pissed that Bill Mahr gave him airtime on his show. Good job Bill, you've become the hypocrite you admonish

Do you know the definition of hypocrite?

Yes daddy, I do know. Do as I say, not as I do. Mahr is now a hypocrite, as is joe the scammer, caribou barbie, etc.
He railed against giving any airtime or any credibility to joe the scammer, and what does he do? He brings him on his fucking show. Asks him questions with the tenacity of butterfly, when he truly does have a chance to expose this idiot, he fails miserably.
So, yes, Mahr is a hypocrite, per M-W.com
hypocrite
One entry found.




Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \'hi-p?-?krit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokrites actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

Same people who think caribou barbie speaks for everyone. people,who watch american idol, play along with wheel of fortune at home. Think that a magical being created man, and dinosaurs walked with man.
Those people.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

Same people who think caribou barbie speaks for everyone. people,who watch american idol, play along with wheel of fortune at home. Think that a magical being created man, and dinosaurs walked with man.
Those people.

Oh?and all this time I thought is was mostly people who don't think Caribou Barbie speaks for everyone, who don't watch American Idol or play along with Wheel of Fortune at home, and definitely don't believe in God. I'm surprised to find a human being capable of holding so many stereotypes in such a tiny brain. You sir are very special.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

Same people who think caribou barbie speaks for everyone. people,who watch american idol, play along with wheel of fortune at home. Think that a magical being created man, and dinosaurs walked with man.
Those people.

Oh?and all this time I thought is was mostly people who don't think Caribou Barbie speaks for everyone, who don't watch American Idol or play along with Wheel of Fortune at home, and definitely don't believe in God. I'm surprised to find a human being capable of holding so many stereotypes in such a tiny brain. You sir are very special.

Awww, that's cute. Thanks. I'm honored by your pathetic attempt to make this granular.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

Same people who think caribou barbie speaks for everyone. people,who watch american idol, play along with wheel of fortune at home. Think that a magical being created man, and dinosaurs walked with man.
Those people.

Oh?and all this time I thought is was mostly people who don't think Caribou Barbie speaks for everyone, who don't watch American Idol or play along with Wheel of Fortune at home, and definitely don't believe in God. I'm surprised to find a human being capable of holding so many stereotypes in such a tiny brain. You sir are very special.

well he is right. Those people do exist and they are republican. Sorry. We will take the gays and you get the fundie retarded god nutties.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

Same people who think caribou barbie speaks for everyone. people,who watch american idol, play along with wheel of fortune at home. Think that a magical being created man, and dinosaurs walked with man.
Those people.

Oh?and all this time I thought is was mostly people who don't think Caribou Barbie speaks for everyone, who don't watch American Idol or play along with Wheel of Fortune at home, and definitely don't believe in God. I'm surprised to find a human being capable of holding so many stereotypes in such a tiny brain. You sir are very special.

well he is right. Those people do exist and they are republican. Sorry. We will take the gays and you get the fundie retarded god nutties.

How about this?I take all the people who don't dehumanize and marginalize millions and millions of people because their abject ignorance prevents them from seeing beyond their polarized stereotypes?and you can have all the rest. Deal?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

Same people who think caribou barbie speaks for everyone. people,who watch american idol, play along with wheel of fortune at home. Think that a magical being created man, and dinosaurs walked with man.
Those people.

Oh?and all this time I thought is was mostly people who don't think Caribou Barbie speaks for everyone, who don't watch American Idol or play along with Wheel of Fortune at home, and definitely don't believe in God. I'm surprised to find a human being capable of holding so many stereotypes in such a tiny brain. You sir are very special.

well he is right. Those people do exist and they are republican. Sorry. We will take the gays and you get the fundie retarded god nutties.

How about this?I take all the people who don't dehumanize and marginalize millions and millions of people because their abject ignorance prevents them from seeing beyond their polarized stereotypes?and you can have all the rest. Deal?

Works both ways.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

Same people who think caribou barbie speaks for everyone. people,who watch american idol, play along with wheel of fortune at home. Think that a magical being created man, and dinosaurs walked with man.
Those people.

Oh?and all this time I thought is was mostly people who don't think Caribou Barbie speaks for everyone, who don't watch American Idol or play along with Wheel of Fortune at home, and definitely don't believe in God. I'm surprised to find a human being capable of holding so many stereotypes in such a tiny brain. You sir are very special.

well he is right. Those people do exist and they are republican. Sorry. We will take the gays and you get the fundie retarded god nutties.

How about this?I take all the people who don't dehumanize and marginalize millions and millions of people because their abject ignorance prevents them from seeing beyond their polarized stereotypes?and you can have all the rest. Deal?

Works both ways.

Agree...sad, but true.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Just like Palin, when you guys keep posting this crap it gives them more and more publicity.. good job.

you should be happy about that. What side are you on? You don't like Obama... So... Just who did you vote for? Or did you?

I secretly think your wrote in Joe Plumber on your ballet didn't you? Com on you can tell us we won't laugh at you.... we promise!

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Who in their right mind gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber? Nevermind...I think I answered my own question.

The repugs were quite enamored with him, along with palin, just last october. You're certainly not suggesting that this was just a scam - a callous charade put on to mislead the party faithful...

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Balt

The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including:

* A progressive national retail sales tax.

How can a sales tax be progressive?

The govt hands out pre-bates based on your income. The more you make the less prebate you recieved. At some level you dont recieve a prebate at all.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: brandonbull
Then why do the Fairtax "people" label their plan as tax-inclusive? Isn't the idea of it behind the fair tax is to replace income tax and not sales tax?

The idea is to replace income tax with sales tax.

You can argue until the cows come home about the 'right' way to present this, because both are valid. What you can't argue is which makes more intuitive sense to the average consumer.

The Fairtax folks want the lower number published for reasons of optics, not due to some alturistic belief that sales tax numbers are stated incorrectly. Otherwise they would willingly clarify what they mean by a particular method of calculation, rather than attacking as incorrect and ignorant anyone who calculates the tax the way sales tax is normally calculated.

Yep. And even at that, it's a phony number since it relies on two unrealistic premises. First, it assumes 100% compliance. That simply will not happen in the real world, meaning the rate will have to be increased to compensate for evasion.

Second, it assumes the tax will be applied to 100% of all transactions, vs. current sales taxes which apply to only about half. That's not realistic, especially at first, since the psychological impact will be devastating to some segments. Think about what happens to the struggling real estate market when a $250,000 house suddenly jumps to $325,000. Think about what happens to Detroit when a $30K car now costs almost $40K. It won't matter how many "Fair Tax" proponents prove mathematically the price is "really just the same."

The psychological effect -- the sticker shock -- will kill those industries and others relying on big-ticket sales. To prevent this, such items will have to somehow either be exempted from the tax, or the tax will have to be phased in, lowering the revenues generated and requiring either higher rates or other taxes. (Other taxes also effectively increase the overall "Fair Tax" rate since its benefits will be undermined.)

In short, the actual "Fair Tax" rate will have to be much higher than 23%/30%. Couple that with the revelation that it is, in fact, another "tax cut for the rich" and it is DOA.

Will people have sticker shock at their checkbook when the fed\states stop taking out 20-30% each paycheck? It can go both ways. I think the idea that a consumption tax will scare people away from buying things will be short lived. Inflation does something similar though on a slower scale and we still buy trillions worth of goods. Sticker shock may scare a % of the populaion but I dont expect it to be a long term effect.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: bipartisanpwnage
A capitalist system must have a progressive tax system or else it will fail. Fair tax is a bad idea. We need to reform our current system and make it better.

Why?

The proposal is a progressive tax. The more you earn the higher the adjusted tax rate moves towards the max %.

People are crazy if they think everyone will start hoarding money and stop buying stuff.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Just like Palin, when you guys keep posting this crap it gives them more and more publicity.. good job.

maybe palin can give him the money......they are kissing cousins...

 

[BoomerD]

[redacted]

What a sneaky way to get your spam site in a thread.

Has anyone even heard anything about "Joe the (wanna-be) Plumber in the past year? He seems to have disappeared...

Please don't quote the spam...
-ViRGE

 

[StageLeft]

What a sneaky way to get your spam site in a thread.

Has anyone even heard anything about "Joe the (wanna-be) Plumber in the past year? He seems to have disappeared...

Please don't quote the spam...
-ViRGE

The section in wiki makes him look like a clown but more makes the US look stupid for encouraging it. He had a book "co-written", not surprisingly:

http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Plumber-Fi.../dp/0976974037

Look at the reviews. Quite good stuff. You have 29 5/5 people and 43 1/5 and very, very little in the middle. I saw this only once before I think it was on a Palin book.