Joe says he will not pardon Donald.

[pcgeek11]

I'm surprised that old Joey wouldn't pardon the Trumpster.
Color me shocked. Not.

 

[Jhhnn]

The things that concern me most are 1) he's an incumbent. No incumbent has lost since GHWB. 2) his approvals have ticked slightly up during this crisis, not down. 3) he and his Russian allies, and conservative media, are going to make up all sorts of shit about Biden, and some of it may stick. Buttery mails seems to have worked quite well.

I'm glad the polling shows Biden a little up on Trump now, but polling at this stage is not necessarily that predictive. HRC led Trump in the polls at this stage as well. At this point, I almost wouldn't venture an opinion as to the outcome. We'll have a better idea in a few months.

Shee-it. Trump's approval rating went straight to Hell right after the inauguration & hasn't recovered since. He can't win on those numbers & only some miracle can improve them.

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It'll be interesting to see how well the GOP's senior voter base turns out when they're dying in droves. Trump turned his back on them with his pandemic response & the awful reality of that is just beginning to unfold.

 

[hal2kilo]

is your brain actually telling you that is what is happening?

In bubble world, anything is possible.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm surprised that old Joey wouldn't pardon the Trumpster.
Color me shocked. Not.

Why would he have to pardon Trump? I mean, we all know Individual_1 did nothing wrong. Even the Special Counsel like totally exonerated him, man. His financials? He doesn't pay taxes so there's nothing to see, obviously.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I see Republicans are back to blaming Dems for the consequences of their own fucked up policies. Republicans fuck up pandemic planning and response and now you’re trying to pin the results on the Dems. You and your party of perpetual fuck ups own this one. Man up, sugar tits.

Sure sugar tits. Sure. You just keep thinking that of Dems controlled things right now everything would be peachy.

Meanwhile they are still passing shit on the house that shafts the middle and lower class.... Bit don't worry!!! It's all the right wings fault! Pass blame, don't accept responsibility, reject correcting. Head remain up ass.

Last I checked the one proposing monthly checks for the middle class was... Republican? Oh no! That doesn't fit your cookie cutter narrative though! Oh poor sugar tits.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

is your brain actually telling you that is what is happening?

Dotdotdot...

That is what is actually happening. The one outspoken one who is for monthly payments until this is resolved is republican. So, yeah, that's what is ACTUALLY happening sugar tits.

Dems just proposed their dream plan which consisted of... Wait for it... The same boring shit that was passed last time. Wow what amazing Dems that are for the people!

 

[Jhhnn]

Sure sugar tits. Sure. You just keep thinking that of Dems controlled things right now everything would be peachy.

Meanwhile they are still passing shit on the house that shafts the middle and lower class.... Bit don't worry!!! It's all the right wings fault! Pass blame, don't accept responsibility, reject correcting. Head remain up ass.

What shaft do you speak of, Kimosabe?

 

[Muse]

Yes, exposed. Well, it's been obvious for a long time. The meltdown of 2008 wasn't an accident. This virus is something of an accident, but we should have seen it coming. Were we ready? Not very, to put it mildly.

 

[woolfe9998]

Shee-it. Trump's approval rating went straight to Hell right after the inauguration & hasn't recovered since. He can't win on those numbers & only some miracle can improve them.

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It'll be interesting to see how well the GOP's senior voter base turns out when they're dying in droves. Trump turned his back on them with his pandemic response & the awful reality of that is just beginning to unfold.

You might want to go back and take a look at Obama's approvals. They started high, but when he hadn't solved the worst recession in 80 years within a month, it plummeted and never came back until after he left office. It was around 44 when he was re-elected in 2012, almost identical to where Trump is now. Spiked to low 50's briefly after, then went back down to low-mid 40's until he left office.

Donald Trump's Approval Rating Surpasses Obama's And Not Just on Rasmussen

Trump's job approval average from several major polls, from Monday to Wednesday, surpassed Obama's during the same dates in 2011.

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[woolfe9998]

You are right that no incumbent has lost since GHWB. Also, no person ahead at this time has lost other than Hillary. These are all very small sample sizes though.

I agree that Democrats are going to face unprecedented intervention by hostile powers and people who want to weaken America through trump winning. There is little reason to disbelieve the polls though.

Yes but the comparison with Clinton is most apt here, because she is the only other candidate to run against Trump. Her polling at this stage wasn't predictive because she got slimed by Trump and some of it stuck. My concern is the same thing happens here, but likely worse. They've gotten away with it already and they are emboldened. We've already seen the opening salvo with Tara Reade. I expect this to get much worse.

 

[pcgeek11]

Why would he have to pardon Trump? I mean, we all know Individual_1 did nothing wrong. Even the Special Counsel like totally exonerated him, man. His financials? He doesn't pay taxes so there's nothing to see, obviously.

Sarcasm dude...

 

[fskimospy]

You might want to go back and take a look at Obama's approvals. They started high, but when he hadn't solved the worst recession in 80 years within a month, it plummeted and never came back until after he left office. It was around 44 when he was re-elected in 2012, almost identical to where Trump is now. Spiked to low 50's briefly after, then went back down to low-mid 40's until he left office.

Donald Trump's Approval Rating Surpasses Obama's And Not Just on Rasmussen

Trump's job approval average from several major polls, from Monday to Wednesday, surpassed Obama's during the same dates in 2011.

www.newsweek.com

As per 538’s average, which I think is the best, Obama was at nearly 50% at this time and was considerably more popular than Trump is now.

The main issue here is that due to electoral college bias much like in 2016 Trump can win despite losing the popular vote. If you asked me to bet on who would win the popular vote I would give Biden a greater than 90% chance. The electoral college is basically the entire source of my uncertainty.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The proof of the pudding will come when he goes head-to-head with the Degenerate-in-Chief.

Unlike Trump, coming unraveled over the pandemic, Biden is most probably doing solid homework.

Trump doesn't even do his homework as president. Doesn't read intelligence briefings; makes decisions on the basis of whim; watches TV too much; stays up all night twittering to his cornpone, half-wit Base.

Biden seems to falter sometimes for two reasons. First, he'd overcome a stuttering problem when he was young. And second, he's experiencing the decline of age.

Sanders has parallel shortcomings, but that's a moot point now.

Trump can't even read the teleprompter at the 10th-grade level, as he labors with sneering inhalations between phrases and sentences. And his public presence of outrageous absurdity has become worse over the last three years, and worse than that since the advent of COVID-19.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

This election is about cancer, not Biden.

I wouldn't bet on cancer.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Sure sugar tits. Sure. You just keep thinking that of Dems controlled things right now everything would be peachy.

Meanwhile they are still passing shit on the house that shafts the middle and lower class.... Bit don't worry!!! It's all the right wings fault! Pass blame, don't accept responsibility, reject correcting. Head remain up ass.

Last I checked the one proposing monthly checks for the middle class was... Republican? Oh no! That doesn't fit your cookie cutter narrative though! Oh poor sugar tits.

Tell us more about how Moscow Mitch (he of the massive tax cuts for the rich and large corporations) is the one leading the charge on helping out Americans hurt by this pandemic. Take your time, I'm fully stocked pop corn wise.

If Obama was running the country during this pandemic we wouldn't be in the huge pile of doodoo were in. Full stop.

Go back to whining about female politians.

 

[jameny5]

Biden says he would not pardon Trump

Biden committed to ensuring that any prosecutorial decisions would be dictated by the law, in contrast to what he called the "dereliction of duty” by Trump and his attorney general, William Barr.

www.nbcnews.com

FYI: Donald was impeached and acquitted, so theres nothing to pardon him for.
And given that the Republicans said they thought he committed crimes but were not going to find him guilty anyway, I seriously doubt anybody in America is gonna prosecute Donald after he leaves office.

The article references Ford and Nixon, and I think I should point out Nixon was never prosecuted. he left office to avoid it. Ford pardoned him for crimes he MAY have committed which a great many lawyers have argued isnt even legal. They believe you can only pardon someone when they have known crimes and convictions.

Joe is bluffing with an empty hand. And if this is the best the Democrats can produce then I think we are in for 4 years of bullying by a Republican Senate and little real progress. We all know Donald is a piece of shit and a criminal, but since no one can touch him it doesnt really matter.

Do not pardon the "cancer" in the White House. Hillary didn't get pardoned by President Obama nor should Trump. What's fair is fair!

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[eelw]

If Obama was running the country during this pandemic we wouldn't be in the huge pile of doodoo were in. Full stop.

Not quite true. Yes he would have handled situation far far better. But everyone got caught off guard from the infected that came from Italy and Iran. Both countries and US closed border to China on January 31st. So there was no stopping it. But Obama wouldn’t have let the crew that brought back the people from the cruise ships to be allowed to return home. They should have been quarantined along with the vacationers. They were the cause of the west coast spread. The vacationers from spring break caused the east coast spread. And Canadians that vacationed in the US late February is what I believed caused our infections. None of the cases that came from China caused any community spread for here in Canada.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Not quite true. Yes he would have handled situation far far better. But everyone got caught off guard from the infected that came from Italy and Iran. Both countries and US closed border to China on January 31st. So there was no stopping it. But Obama wouldn’t have let the crew that brought back the people from the cruise ships to be allowed to return home. They should have been quarantined along with the vacationers. They were the cause of the west coast spread. The vacationers from spring break caused the east coast spread. And Canadians that vacationed in the US late February is what I believed caused our infections. None of the cases that came from China caused any community spread for here in Canada.

he would have been mobilizing production of necessary goods - masks, gowns, reagents, test kits, etc. - far sooner, and would have been providing federal coordination to all states, which in turn a) gets resources where they need to be sooner, b) saves money, and c) probably would have saved lives as well

 

[Viper1j]

Biden says he would not pardon Trump

Biden committed to ensuring that any prosecutorial decisions would be dictated by the law, in contrast to what he called the "dereliction of duty” by Trump and his attorney general, William Barr.

www.nbcnews.com

FYI: Donald was impeached and acquitted, so theres nothing to pardon him for.
And given that the Republicans said they thought he committed crimes but were not going to find him guilty anyway, I seriously doubt anybody in America is gonna prosecute Donald after he leaves office.

The article references Ford and Nixon, and I think I should point out Nixon was never prosecuted. he left office to avoid it. Ford pardoned him for crimes he MAY have committed which a great many lawyers have argued isnt even legal. They believe you can only pardon someone when they have known crimes and convictions.

Joe is bluffing with an empty hand. And if this is the best the Democrats can produce then I think we are in for 4 years of bullying by a Republican Senate and little real progress. We all know Donald is a piece of shit and a criminal, but since no one can touch him it doesnt really matter.

In case you haven't been keeping up with current events, there's a qualitative difference between impeachment and criminal prosecution. And that's what Joe was talking about. Trump may be the very first president in US history to become somebody's prison bitch.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not quite true. Yes he would have handled situation far far better. But everyone got caught off guard from the infected that came from Italy and Iran. Both countries and US closed border to China on January 31st. So there was no stopping it. But Obama wouldn’t have let the crew that brought back the people from the cruise ships to be allowed to return home. They should have been quarantined along with the vacationers. They were the cause of the west coast spread. The vacationers from spring break caused the east coast spread. And Canadians that vacationed in the US late February is what I believed caused our infections. None of the cases that came from China caused any community spread for here in Canada.

That's not accurate at all. The first case in the US was Jan 15, a Washington man who had traveled from Wuhan. The first case in NY was late February, a woman who had traveled from Iran. Unrelated cases of community spread in SoCal occurred shortly thereafter. Nobody closed the border Jan 31. Flights were merely restricted. But it was, like, totally contained, remember? It's just the flu. It'll disappear like a miracle in April, anyway. We have a miracle drug! And Pence was in charge, ready to pray it away. The fundamentals of the economy are strong, right? Blah, blah, blah. And through it all, Trump thought he could gaslight a deadly global pandemic. He apparently still does.

 

[Jhhnn]

In case you haven't been keeping up with current events, there's a qualitative difference between impeachment and criminal prosecution. And that's what Joe was talking about. Trump may be the very first president in US history to become somebody's prison bitch.

Nah. House arrest high atop Trump Tower. The only way to get there is after the elevator stops at the floor below, occupied by the SS &BOP. Give him limited visitor privileges, a monitored pushbutton phone for an hour a day & cable TV. Make it so he can't jump.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Not quite true. Yes he would have handled situation far far better. But everyone got caught off guard from the infected that came from Italy and Iran. Both countries and US closed border to China on January 31st. So there was no stopping it. But Obama wouldn’t have let the crew that brought back the people from the cruise ships to be allowed to return home. They should have been quarantined along with the vacationers. They were the cause of the west coast spread. The vacationers from spring break caused the east coast spread. And Canadians that vacationed in the US late February is what I believed caused our infections. None of the cases that came from China caused any community spread for here in Canada.

Health officials that were on the ground in China during Obamas term to monitor facts and incidents were not there thanks to Trumps idiotic tantrums with most of planet earth.

Ie the chance to not get caught off guard was there, but it was destroyed by stupid people being handed the steering wheel.

 

[Viper1j]

Nah. House arrest high atop Trump Tower. The only way to get there is after the elevator stops at the floor below, occupied by the SS &BOP. Give him limited visitor privileges, a monitored pushbutton phone for an hour a day & cable TV. Make it so he can't jump.

Nobody's going to to take a collect call from him, because everybody hates him. If he's getting conjugal visits with Ivanka, then his life won't change all that much.

 

[shortylickens]

Nobody's going to to take a collect call from him, because everybody hates him. If he's getting conjugal visits with Ivanka, then his life won't change all that much.

bro.....

 

[theeedude]

Trump is going to pardon himself and his whole crooked administration on the way out. Plus he rigged the courts, so they will shill for him.