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Joe officially announces he's running again

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eelw said:
Yes majority don’t want either. But majority will still hold their nose and vote Biden to ensure the orange monkey loses
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1. We don't know Trump will be the nominee.
2. It still remains to be seen how Biden handles this campaign. He is four years older.
3. It's not just about winning the presidential, it's about every single race on the ballot.

4. If the best the Dems can come up with a do-over, I think that's just not a testament to any vitality of the Democratic party at all.
 
fskimospy said:
How is the popular vote different from turnout?
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My words may have been chosen poorly in my haste, but as we have established here, Dems often need quite a few more voters to win the same race as it takes Republicans to win. This is not just for presidential races.

Turnout is what matters to counterbalance these built in systemic barriers, on every level, from local to state races. It does not seem promising, based upon all present data, that Biden can do this. Sure I think he can win against Trump, though it's not guaranteed. Biden has plenty of time to fuck things up on his campaign. It's not a gimme by any means, but I think more likely than not.

Biden does not have that in him though for downballot races in places where Dems are a couple points behind from the start, I think it's sad that Democrats are counting on a Trump-Biden rematch that he BARELY won last time.
 
People didn't want Biden because he's old. And he looks old. Biden has that same empty/confused look/expression as my 93 year old dad. And there are times when my dad can appear quite coherent, but other times when dad says the screwiest things. And if Biden is reelected, he'll suffer from the same and he will only get worse during his second term.

However, despite the age thing, one thing Biden has going for him is he's right. Yes, Biden is absolutely right when it comes down to social issues and social policy. And that is all Biden need remind people of as a 2024 candidate. To openly admit his age yet with also adding that he is right regardless of age. That candidate Joe Biden knows right from wrong. Joe can say MAYBE I'M OLD, BUT I'M RIGHT. AND IT'S BETTER TO FOCUS ON THE RIGHT BECAUSE AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT WHEN IT COMES TO DOING RIGHT VS DOING WRONG.
And I think if Biden sticks with that simple assessment, he'll do just fine in 2024. This is how Biden won in 2020, he reminded voters of the alternative.
 
MrSquished said:
My words may have been chosen poorly in my haste, but as we have established here, Dems often need quite a few more voters to win the same race as it takes Republicans to win. This is not just for presidential races.

Turnout is what matters to counterbalance these built in systemic barriers, on every level, from local to state races. It does not seem promising, based upon all present data, that Biden can do this. Sure I think he can win against Trump, though it's not guaranteed. Biden has plenty of time to fuck things up on his campaign. It's not a gimme by any means, but I think more likely than not.

Biden does not have that in him though for downballot races in places where Dems are a couple points behind from the start, I think it's sad that Democrats are counting on a Trump-Biden rematch that he BARELY won last time.
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No election is ever a gimme and it’s a fool’s errand to predict them this far out. I agree Biden is likely to win, especially against Trump, but you never know.

I think the evidence shows that Biden did turn out down ballot races. After all, he secured a trifecta.
 
blackangst1 said:
This: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-am-so-embarrassed-for-my-country/ar-AA19PLLh
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Hard to understand what happened there without seeing the full video of it, not just that exact moment. A few of the transcripts show lot of pauses and confusion even before this moment. I wonder if the kid was hard to hear. I had to turn my speakers up to 100 to even get any audio. Accents over there can be difficult to make sense of even though it's English. If you read the transcript from the White House, it seems like Airforce 1 was in the background or nearby.
www.whitehouse.gov

Remarks by President Biden in Meet-and-Greet with Embassy Families and Firefighters | The White House

Dublin AirportDublin, Republic of Ireland 3:40 P.M. ISTTHE PRESIDENT: Hello, hello, hello. Is this working? There you go. Well, how are you?
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I wonder if any of our founding fathers when they laid in protections against mob rule realized that the result would be we could only ever save ourselves from the monsters at a point nearing extinction. Where oh where is our super-majority of progressive liberals and by progressives I don't mean the woke kind who practice identity politics.
 
pete6032 said:
Hard to understand what happened there without seeing the full video of it, not just that exact moment. A few of the transcripts show lot of pauses and confusion even before this moment. I wonder if the kid was hard to hear. I had to turn my speakers up to 100 to even get any audio. Accents over there can be difficult to make sense of even though it's English. If you read the transcript from the White House, it seems like Airforce 1 was in the background or nearby.
www.whitehouse.gov

Remarks by President Biden in Meet-and-Greet with Embassy Families and Firefighters | The White House

Dublin AirportDublin, Republic of Ireland 3:40 P.M. ISTTHE PRESIDENT: Hello, hello, hello. Is this working? There you go. Well, how are you?
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
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mmmmmkay. I posted a video.
 
Moonbeam said:
I wonder if any of our founding fathers when they laid in protections against mob rule realized that the result would be we could only ever save ourselves from the monsters at a point nearing extinction. Where oh where is our super-majority of progressive liberals and by progressives I don't mean the woke kind who practice identity politics.
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Who cares what the founding fathers want. Smart government adapts to the current times. And anyone fixated on a 300 year old parchment paper are idiots.
 
fskimospy said:
No election is ever a gimme and it’s a fool’s errand to predict them this far out. I agree Biden is likely to win, especially against Trump, but you never know.

I think the evidence shows that Biden did turn out down ballot races. After all, he secured a trifecta.
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From my perspective I prefer Biden because without him I see Harris as the next obvious front runner and something about her just doesn't sit well with me. I wish he had chosen Katie Porter as his running mate.
 
eelw said:
Who cares what the founding fathers want. Smart government adapts to the current times. And anyone fixated on a 300 year old parchment paper are idiots.
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It is a very weird American quirk where our go to governance ideas are ‘what do slave owners who died several centuries ago think?’
 
Moonbeam said:
From my perspective I prefer Biden because without him I see Harris as the next obvious front runner and something about her just doesn't sit well with me. I wish he had chosen Katie Porter as his running mate.
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I do not see Harris as a front runner no matter what.
 
It strikes me as a sickness, that parties do not check their own.

While I do not know of them, you cannot tell me there isn't a better leader out there for Democrats. But our system is designed to guard against integrity, and so we do not question, we do not ask and check to see who out there could do a better job. We fail this test. Still might be enough to beat the insanity of the GOP, but that is a low bar to pass. It should not be "have we done just barely enough?", instead.. it should be "have we done our best?". To which I reply, no, we have not.
 
nakedfrog said:
Interesting to post a Fox News article by way of MSN.
Yeah, I'd prefer someone younger, but I didn't want Biden in the first place, so I don't know how much my opinion counts for (yes, he was obviously leagues better than WordSalad Shitburger) and he's done an okay job considering the cards he was dealt.
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Yeah coz a Fox news video is obviously a deepfake. Especially if the story is backed up by other sources.
 
eelw said:
Who cares what the founding fathers want. Smart government adapts to the current times. And anyone fixated on a 300 year old parchment paper are idiots.
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What kind of a question is that? And what kind of a stupid remark is it to say that smart government adapts to the current times. What we have is the government our founders gave us when it comes to the applications of any adaptions we decide to make. And since we are stuck with a 300 year old defect, being charitable with your counting ability, the ability to adapt is practically non-existent. Thanks to our forefathers a smart government that can adapt is going to require a super-majority of smart liberals. Generally speaking, that's not the kind that tend to be elected.

If the past were not what it was, we would not be where we are today. If government were smart is good in horse shoes. It's stupid and difficult to fix. My interest in the past is pointing out where the problem lies. We are fucked by our own system. Smart government sounds like something we need. In order to get it we are going to have to fix the reasons we don't.

And since every cause time wise proceeds every effect, we are going to have to understand our history in my opinion.
 
blackangst1 said:
Yeah coz a Fox news video is obviously a deepfake. Especially if the story is backed up by other sources.
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I mean they did just have to pay nearly a billion dollars for spreading ludicrous lies.

I agree the video is real but you have to admit Fox is not a credible source. They are a partisan political outlet.
 
Pens1566 said:
I think he'd probably win against any of the GQP candidates as well TBH. He's got a decent record to run on and their all nut-bags.

But I agree with your post. A sane republican would be nice. Just not sure they exist anymore.
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Problem isn't that they don't exist, it's that they can't win a primary when MAGA is so active within the GOP.
 
I like Joe Biden I think he was the right man at the right time and has done better than I thought but it's a simple fact he is not as good of a candidate 3 years later.

The fact that some Democrats have a knee jerk reaction to just accept Biden as good enough, which is still a hypothetical for an election still over a year away, and to be resistant to any other possibilities, is just short sighted

I think it shows a general flaw in the thinking of many Democrats who think this way, and part of why we are where we are now.

And I just don't agree Biden can beat any GQP nominee, at all
 
Cool, anyone been keeping track of “red” states that now don’t have to cast electoral college votes by state popular vote?
 
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