Joe officially announces he's running again

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fskimospy

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The best part is Republicans pretending they still support freedom and economic conservatism while all their front-running candidates run on platforms of suppressing freedoms in favor of their Christian nationalist culture war.
In their defense I think the front running Republican candidates have pretty explicitly disavowed freedom and economic conservatism. Both Trump and DeSantis are very happy to wield government power to punish businesses that are insufficiently supportive of them.
 

MrSquished

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Did you actually look at that chart of just regurgitating talking points?

Did you notice the flip in the cost of oil vs the cost of gas? Just ignoring it?

I'll help you out. Oil companies are profitieering. Taking advantage of the instability caused by COVID when oil contracts went negative for a while.

If you actually look at facts, oil production was on a steady rise since Obana and was upended then Covid hit.

Why don't you focus more on facts vs spreading misinformation.

That guy is such a waste of oxygen. Commercial real estate is crashing due to remote work brought upon by Covid, and retail is dying a slow death from online shopping and Amazon.

Right wing maggats like him will never live in reality because the evil in them is too strong and causes them to ignore it.
 
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eelw

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No Pence topic yet but he has a town hall on cnn right now. While he was obviously against Jan 6 but he was asked about the documents and if he’d pardon. The asshat said he hopes DOJ won’t continue this divisive investigation. He won’t answer a hypothetical question on pardoning. So still spineless as ever.
 

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No Pence topic yet but he has a town hall on cnn right now. While he was obviously against Jan 6 but he was asked about the documents and if he’d pardon. The asshat said he hopes DOJ won’t continue this divisive investigation. He won’t answer a hypothetical question on pardoning. So still spineless as ever.

-Pubs are stuck in an abusive co-dependent relationship with their mindfucked voters.

Dems are always the boring, lame rebound.
 

manly

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I mean, the first part of that statement is likely true. If Desantis can somehow thread the needle, I think he has a better than even chance of beating Biden. He doesn't have the same negatives that Trump does, and he'll probably pull more moderates/undecideds. All the polling I've seen (I know, far out still) supports that with like ~5pt swing improvements from Trump's #s.

Now, the rest is utter bullshit.
Other people are feeling way too confident about Biden running against Death Santis. Although his recent polling is weak, in just one election cycle, RDS took FL from a coin flip to a runaway red state. Not to say FL maps well to other key states in the general election, but as you said, he's already proven he can swing a lot of moderates.

I could be wrong, but based on Trump's electoral history, I feel that Trump wins only if the election is a referendum on Biden's first term (i.e. his approval rating does not improve). It's pretty safe to say Trump will lose the popular vote even if he somehow wins the EC. OTOH RDS could potentially win on his own "merits." The hardest part will be gaining the (R) nomination; but in the general, you know he'll dial back the culture war nonsense (to a degree) and try to run on his gubernatorial record. And if Trump loses the primary elections, that means his tight grip on the GOP loosened and I would then question his ability to sabotage the GOP candidate.

Finally, our world IS the bizarro world. Where historically low unemployment sees a majority of Americans outright claiming the economy is "bad." We know tribalism requires Repubs to bash the economy whenever a Democrat is POTUS, but that doesn't explain why so many moderates think the same thing. As @MrSquished might say, if we can't even convince our own voters that the sky is blue, then we have a severe messaging problem.
 
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VRAMdemon

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No Pence topic yet but he has a town hall on cnn right now. While he was obviously against Jan 6 but he was asked about the documents and if he’d pardon. The asshat said he hopes DOJ won’t continue this divisive investigation. He won’t answer a hypothetical question on pardoning. So still spineless as ever.

Pence also says he'd "absolutely" support Trump for president if he becomes the GOP nominee, hours after he said in his announcement speech that Trump should "never be president of the United States again.” And described how Trump endangered him and his family on Jan. 6. Pence is a stiff, unappealing empty suit. No self-respect.

Pence in the debates:

Debate moderator: "How do you feel about the fact that insurrectionists tried to hang Mike Pence on January 6?"

Trump: "He had it coming"

Pence: "I would have to agree with that
 
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Other people are feeling way too confident about Biden running against Death Santis. Although his recent polling is weak, in just one election cycle, RDS took FL from a coin flip to a runaway red state. Not to say FL maps well to other key states in the general election, but as you said, he's already proven he can swing a lot of moderates.

I could be wrong, but based on Trump's electoral history, I feel that Trump wins only if the election is a referendum on Biden's first term (i.e. his approval rating does not improve). It's pretty safe to say Trump will lose the popular vote even if he somehow wins the EC. OTOH RDS could potentially win on his own "merits." The hardest part will be gaining the (R) nomination; but in the general, you know he'll dial back the culture war nonsense (to a degree) and try to run on his gubernatorial record. And if Trump loses the primary elections, that means his tight grip on the GOP loosened and I would then question his ability to sabotage the GOP candidate.

Finally, our world IS the bizarro world. Where historically low unemployment sees a majority of Americans outright claiming the economy is "bad." We know tribalism requires Repubs to bash the economy whenever a Democrat is POTUS, but that doesn't explain why so many moderates think the same thing. As @MrSquished might say, if we can't even convince our own voters that the sky is blue, then we have a severe messaging problem.
No my fear is Cornel West


He can just strip away enough black votes from Biden to give the orange monkey in an orange jumpsuit the EC win again. But the ego of these morons. Don’t like Biden policies, you’d rather the revenge tour? Absolute idiots.
 
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Jesse Watters, who is the douchebag auditioning to be the next Tucker, criticizes Biden for not pushing people out of his way, like Trump.


I bet Biden hasn’t even grabbed anyone by the pussy either! What a beta cuck!

BTW, I like the “Tired & Confused” graphic they put up for Biden. Tired & Confused, but also single handedly masterminding the political witchhunt of Trump while also making millions of dollars selling cocaine and secretly providing cover for Hunter.

I don't know how he can he be "tired and confused" with all of the cocaine he’s sharing with Hunter? He should be bouncing of the walls like Sonic!
 
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HomerJS

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Why can’t someone just put out in the Twitterverse they saw Jessie doing coke in college. Since is a public figure and lying is the MO of Fox News fair game, right
 
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Jesse Watters, who is the douchebag auditioning to be the next Tucker, criticizes Biden for not pushing people out of his way, like Trump.


I bet Biden hasn’t even grabbed anyone by the pussy either! What a beta cuck!

BTW, I like the “Tired & Confused” graphic they put up for Biden. Tired & Confused, but also single handedly masterminding the political witchhunt of Trump while also making millions of dollars selling cocaine and secretly providing cover for Hunter.

I don't know how he can he be "tired and confused" with all of the cocaine he’s sharing with Hunter? He should be bouncing of the walls like Sonic!
That guy is having to compensate so hard its hilarious. He reminds me of the little dog from the old Looney Toons. I'm gonna laugh when he does something that displeases Turmp and he gets shit on, it'll destroy him.

I feel like Newsom would do to him what Jordan did to Mugsy Bogues.
 

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how can any person vote for this febel old man who doesn't even know where he is or what he is saying. pretty horrifying that this man with CLEAR MENTAL DECLINE has the nuclear football.
 

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No my fear is Cornel West


He can just strip away enough black votes from Biden to give the orange monkey in an orange jumpsuit the EC win again. But the ego of these morons. Don’t like Biden policies, you’d rather the revenge tour? Absolute idiots.
Trump did more for black folk than biden ever has.
 

Indus

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oh god here we go again. how many times does trump have to denounce the nazi shit? pay attention or continue to be pathetic and embarrassing.

I'm proud to be embarrassing you every second of every day.

Hope you stay embarrassed and realize the only way you're going to ever be happy is in Russia!
 

ivwshane

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Trump did more for black folk than biden ever has.

Such as what exactly? The first step act? That was a great piece of bipartisan legislation.
Unemployment rate? Under trump it hit a low of 5.4% pretty good but Biden hit a low of 4.7%.
Signing a bill to give black colleges money? Sure, it is a funding bill that comes up for renewal every ten years. Congrats on congress and trump renewing it. Although it’s a little f-ed up to take credit for something that was actually passed before he came to office. Assuming bipartisan support happens again, Biden will also sign it when it comes up for renewal.
Wages? Median income for black people under trump was $41361 that’s lower than in was in 2000 at its peak and much lower than under Biden at 47k in 2019 dollars.


So what the fuck are you talking about?
 

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Joe knows what is right. He may be old but Joe knows how to delegate authority. Some of the best CEO's have been old farts yet they excelled in business because they knew how to delegate authority. Vs Donald Trump, who promised to appoint THE VERY BEST PEOPLE, most of whom are either indicted or serving in time jail.

As long as Joe can point his finger distinguishing between right and wrong, Joe's the man. Plus, Joe has never banned a single book in his life nor suggest such a move.
Just think of Joe Biden as the old man in the cave. Making the right decisions, appointing the right people who make the right decision. And a president who knows the difference between a president, and a dictator wannabe.

We're on the right track with Joe, never forget that. Never forget or this democracy experiment thing just might die.

The Beatles once said, YOU AIN'T GOING TO MAKE IT WITH ANYONE ANYHOW. So true. You think you're going to like a second term of Donald Trump? Or a first term of Ron DeSantis? Have you any idea what they want to do? Do to YOU? Do to all of us?
 
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Such as what exactly? The first step act? That was a great piece of bipartisan legislation.
Unemployment rate? Under trump it hit a low of 5.4% pretty good but Biden hit a low of 4.7%.
Signing a bill to give black colleges money? Sure, it is a funding bill that comes up for renewal every ten years. Congrats on congress and trump renewing it. Although it’s a little f-ed up to take credit for something that was actually passed before he came to office. Assuming bipartisan support happens again, Biden will also sign it when it comes up for renewal.
Wages? Median income for black people under trump was $41361 that’s lower than in was in 2000 at its peak and much lower than under Biden at 47k in 2019 dollars.


So what the fuck are you talking about?

Dude, come on, don't take the pathetic blatant trollbait. They're a pathetic incel looking to try to stir you guys up enough so he can finally get off since BIden doesn't actually trigger his hate boner like Hilary did (and them seeing Hunter's dick so emasculated them that they're now trying to spread their misery), and Turmp has lost his ability to fluff these sad white supremacists, so he has to actually go and try and troll like the sad cucked 4Channer he is.

I like when the trolls react making sure I know they read my posts since I don't even see theirs.
 
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how can any person vote for this febel old man who doesn't even know where he is or what he is saying. pretty horrifying that this man with CLEAR MENTAL DECLINE has the nuclear football.
Look here’s the thing. Conservative policies are absolute trash for anything that matters to real Americans.

Under conservative policies Americans are sicker, die younger, poorer, more uneducated, weaker defense, more exploited and have the government all up in their lives, bedrooms, and between them and their doctors.

And what do you get for this absolute shit show? Dispensation to hate other Americans.

I understand that’s enough of a deal for you but for the real majority in this country it will always be a hard no.
 
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fskimospy

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Look here’s the thing. Conservative policies are absolute trash for anything that matters to real Americans.

Under conservative policies Americans are sicker, die younger, poorer, more uneducated, weaker defense, more exploited and have the government all up in their lives, bedrooms, and between them and their doctors.

And what do you get for this absolute shit show? Dispensation to hate other Americans.

I understand that’s enough of a deal for you but for the real majority in this country it will always be a hard no.
This is another case where when conservatives pretend to care about something we don’t have to pretend to believe them.

The same people saying they are worried about the nuclear codes being in the hands of someone suffering mental decline had no issue with them being in the hands of a severely mentally ill criminal.
 
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