Joe Camel should be returned to his rightful place on billboards

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nick1985

nick1985

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Thump553 said:
Is this part of the new Republican agenda?
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I'm not a republican, so I wouldn't know. Banning dumb shit like this sure seems to be part of the democrat agenda though.

Whats next, democrats want to ban "regular" lightbulbs? Oh wait....
 
IndyColtsFan

IndyColtsFan

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Infohawk said:
I don't have a strong opinion on Joe Camel but what I'm getting at is that advertising does work. Companies wouldn't spend so much if it didn't. The question isn't whether Joe Camel leads kids to smoke (I'm sure it does, people and kids are dumb), but whether we feel it's the government's job to prevent people from making mistakes and parents from parenting their kids.
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The problem I have is that the government is so restrictive with tobacco advertising (allegedly in the interests of protecting our kids) while at the same time, beer and other liquor commercials are everywhere.
 
Scotteq

Scotteq

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Schadenfroh said:
We have a smoker for president now, this is obviously the next step. Slippery slope and all that...
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Hey Hey HEY!!!


"Slope" is a derogatory term for Vietnamese people!! And oily skin is genetic!!!

SO ON BEHALF OF SLIPPERY SLOPES EVERYWHERE, I DEMAND THIS TERM BE REMOVED FROM THE ENGLISH VOCABULARY!!!!


/OMGOMGOMG


/sandinvag

/sandinvag
/sandinvag
/sandinvag
/sandinvag
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evident said:
i totally forgot he existed. out of all the things to bitch about, why did you pick this?
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There's no need to bitch about anything here. Joe Camel wasn't retired because BIG GUBMENT told them too. There was lots of pressure from numerous sources, including a survey that showed 6 year olds could identify Joe Camel and what he represented just as easily as they could Mickey Mouse and Disney. RJR pulled the Joe Camel mascot of their own accord.
 
jman19

jman19

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nick1985 said:
Our resident nanny state big government cheerleader arrives!
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Why do you even start threads here when it is clear you don't have the least interest in constructive debate? You're trolling your own thread.
 
bamacre

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IndyColtsFan said:
The problem I have is that the government is so restrictive with tobacco advertising (allegedly in the interests of protecting our kids) while at the same time, beer and other liquor commercials are everywhere.
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That's because more people drink than smoke. The rights of the minority are just not as important as the good of society.
 
nick1985

nick1985

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crownjules said:
There's no need to bitch about anything here. Joe Camel wasn't retired because BIG GUBMENT told them too. There was lots of pressure from numerous sources, including a survey that showed 6 year olds could identify Joe Camel and what he represented just as easily as they could Mickey Mouse and Disney. RJR pulled the Joe Camel mascot of their own accord.
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"In July 1997, under pressure from the impending Mangini trial, Congress and various public-interest groups, RJR announced it would settle out of court and voluntarily end its Joe Camel campaign."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel


To say big government did not tell them to pull it is a lie.


Also, it doesn't matter if 6 year olds identify him or not. I bet lots of 6 year olds can identify ronald mcdonald before the president. Does that mean we should ban mcdonalds now too since their marketing is so strong and it makes kids fat? Give me a break
 
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nick1985

nick1985

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jman19 said:
Why do you even start threads here when it is clear you don't have the least interest in constructive debate? You're trolling your own thread.
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I would argue this thread is a success and I'm more than willing to debate with facts when arguing with someone worth arguing with.

IE, see the post right above this one.
 
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IndyColtsFan said:
The problem I have is that the government is so restrictive with tobacco advertising (allegedly in the interests of protecting our kids) while at the same time, beer and other liquor commercials are everywhere.
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Although beer and liquor do cause drunk driving fatalities they don't intrinsically interefere with other people's well-being. Second-hand smoke sucks.
 
IndyColtsFan

IndyColtsFan

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bamacre said:
That's because more people drink than smoke. The rights of the minority are just not as important as the good of society.
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I'd argue that alcohol is more dangerous to society than tobacco for precisely the reason bolded above, and yet, we don't see its advertising prohibited like we do with tobacco.
 
Scotteq

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Schadenfroh said:
You must really like this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2132775
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With Your Kind Indulgence, Sir: I am a Male American of European descent*, and the societal norms of the culture I find myself in do not permit me to express any opinion on topics (whether real or imagined) which may or may not be related to; may or may not be inferred from; and may or may not exist in the thread which may or may not have been accidentally linked in your own post...












*(and a fukkin sarcastic one, too!!!)
 
IndyColtsFan

IndyColtsFan

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Infohawk said:
Although beer and liquor do cause drunk driving fatalities they don't intrinsically interefere with other people's well-being. Second-hand smoke sucks.
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For sure, but we're discussing advertising, not the effects of each one on people. I don't believe second-hand smoke was the reason advertising was curtailed.
 
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nick1985 said:
Also, it doesn't matter if 6 year olds identify him or not. I bet lots of 6 year olds can identify ronald mcdonald before the president. Does that mean we should ban mcdonalds now too since their marketing is so strong and it makes kids fat? Give me a break
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Plenty of evidence to show they were intentionally marketing to kids. I'm not saying the survey was condemnation, but it was one of the nails in the coffin. And yes Congress was doing whatever it is they do, but there was so much pressure from all over and that's what forced them.
 
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IndyColtsFan said:
For sure, but we're discussing advertising, not the effects of each one on people. I don't believe second-hand smoke was the reason advertising was curtailed.
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Why not? The advertising was curtailed because of the health risks that smoking represents. Second hand smoke is a huge part of that, especially since it affects people who choose not to smoke.
 
IndyColtsFan

IndyColtsFan

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Infohawk said:
Why not? The advertising was curtailed because of the health risks that smoking represents. Second hand smoke is a huge part of that, especially since it affects people who choose not to smoke.
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I thought (and perhaps I was mistaken) that the main reason cigarette advertising was curtailed was because it was thought to disproportionately affect young people/kids and get them to start smoking, not because it was a way to emphasize smoking's health risks. Am I mistaken? You might argue that a benefit of the lack of advertising is the reduction of second-hand smoke, but I think that is the effect of the advertising ban, not the cause. Unless, of course, I am mistaken.
 
nick1985

nick1985

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jhbball said:
Nanny State 4tw, more like.
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