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Jobs moving overseas...

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Medellon

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You hear much debate about manufacturing jobs leaving the U.S. for places like Mexico, China, India, etc. People say burdensome taxes and regulation cause these companies to leave. I don't know, if you are paying someone say $20 an hour to do something over here whereas you only have to pay like $20 a week over there, that seems like a compelling reason to move. I would love to have more manufacturing jobs in the U.S. but how do you persuade those companies to come back?
 
Repeal NAFTA would be a good start and change the tax laws which encourage outsourcing jobs overseas.
 
The fact that America is not yet a third world shit hole with slave wage laborers and rampant pollution is why jobs keep moving over seas. But don't worry, the free market will correct that at some point, sooner if Republicans keep getting their way.
 
Most people, liberal and conservative want to increase manufacturing jobs in the U.S. but will lower corporate taxes really offset the huge wage(not to mention benefits, safety and environmental regulations)differences? Just looking for some knowledge here, not wanting to start a fight.
 
Conservatives don't want to increase domestic manufacturing jobs. They want a "service" economy where the poor folks serve the rich folks. I'm not trying to start a fight either, just calling it how I see it. The fact that they only harp on tax cuts for domestic job creation shows either the insincerity of their position or flat out ignorance of economics.
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
Conservatives don't want to increase domestic manufacturing jobs.
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I think you have it backwards.

Conservatives - want to protect our jobs

Liberals - want to move jobs overseas, so some family in rural china can have a better life. Tax the rich here in the USA, then provide a welfare society for the people who lost their jobs to free trade. That way the world becomes a better place.
 
Texashiker said:
I think you have it backwards.

Conservatives - want to protect our jobs

Liberals - want to move jobs overseas, so some family in rural china can have a better life.
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Damn liberals moving all our jobs over seas with all the "burdensome regulations" that keep our air and water clean and workers safe and fairly compensated. OMG Socialism RAWR!!!1
 
Texashiker said:
I think you have it backwards.

Conservatives - want to protect our jobs

Liberals - want to move jobs overseas, so some family in rural china can have a better life. Tax the rich here in the USA, then provide a welfare society for the people who lost their jobs to free trade. That way the world becomes a better place.
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How do conservatives want to protect our jobs besides stripping worker protections and environmental regulations? Those are steps backwards for our country. If anything, although Liberals seem to care more than Conservatives about worldwide poverty, they are less likely to support free-trade dogma, which is why our jobs keep getting shipped overseas in the first place.
 
Medellon said:
You hear much debate about manufacturing jobs leaving the U.S. for places like Mexico, China, India, etc. People say burdensome taxes and regulation cause these companies to leave. I don't know, if you are paying someone say $20 an hour to do something over here whereas you only have to pay like $20 a week over there, that seems like a compelling reason to move. I would love to have more manufacturing jobs in the U.S. but how do you persuade those companies to come back?
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I would guess that it is more the enviremental standards that hurt manufacturing more than wages. The crazy tree huggers on the left want no manufaturing in this country. So they got law after law passed making it a pain in the ass and expensive to make anything in this country. The walmart in town had to fight for almost a decade to be able to expand the store thanks to the tree huggers using some muddy crappy creek to stop the expansion. Why would anyone build a plant here with the threat of cap and tax when the can just do it overseas.
 
MovingTarget said:
Tariffs.

/lawnchair
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This. Competing with people who have slave wages and shit safety and environmental regulations only works if we're prepared to adopt equivalent wages and regulations. Not much point in having manufacturing jobs if your machine is likely to take off your hand and the plant pours toxins into the environment.

Arguably this wasn't true when we had a clear tech advantage over Third World shithole countries, but Clinton gave away our technology advantage when he removed practically all barriers to technology transfer. Can't put that genie back into the bottle, which leaves us with tariffs (and the accompanying lower standard of living) or bust. Unfortunately both parties are wedded to free trade, including accepting very one-sided trade agreements as free. Clinton notwithstanding, this is one issue where Democrats are bad, but the Republicans manage to be even worse.
 
quest55720 said:
I would guess that it is more the enviremental standards that hurt manufacturing more than wages. The crazy tree huggers on the left want no manufaturing in this country. So they got law after law passed making it a pain in the ass and expensive to make anything in this country. The walmart in town had to fight for almost a decade to be able to expand the store thanks to the tree huggers using some muddy crappy creek to stop the expansion. Why would anyone build a plant here with the threat of cap and tax when the can just do it overseas.
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There are some great things in muddy crappy creeks, including sometimes crustaceans or fish found nowhere else on Earth. Your point is valid, but environmental regulations, while admittedly sometimes abused, keep us from turning America the Beautiful into America the Desolate Soviet Republic Clone.

The most blatant I've seen was a trucking company headquarters adjacent to a creek. Due to all the pavement and the dangers of leaking oil and diesel, the City made the trucking company do a LOT of remediation, making a series of shallow dead-end cross-streams to trap and break down run-off before it reaches the creek. Don't get me wrong, I completely support the required remediation. However the next block upstream, the City owns both sides of the creek. There the City declared it a drainage ditch, channeled it, and concreted it. My drainage ditch, your valuable wetland.
 
Medellon said:
,... but how do you persuade those companies to come back?
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You can't.

No American can live on $10K to $15K a year, work 6 days and 10 hours each day.

The only way to really pull manufacturing back on US soil is to have someone or an entity create/manufacture items at a "loss of profits". So, instead of making a $45 profit, they can make a $15 profit.

I know, I know - what an evil communist bastard I am. But, truth be told, the American worker is the "enemy" of profit mongers.
 
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Jobs move where there's more opportunity and more freedom. It's no surprise.
Things that are in short supply in the US in this day and age.
 
The pessimist says the tax code won't be fixed to encourage corps to come back and corps like cheap overseas labor.

We're screwed.
 
Macamus Prime said:
Awww, you miss child labor, the destruction of the environment and explotation of the worker.

Don't worry, child labor still occurs today in the US; http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/young...y-fields-walmart-severs-ties/story?id=8951044

I hope you feel just a bit better.
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Yes, child labor, giving them a job so they don't have to prostitute themselves to keep from starving. I'm sure you'd like that instead though.

Ah yes, "exploitation" = giving people jobs so they can get out of their even worse jobs in the fields all day or starve or prostitute themselves.

Aww, same old nonsensical liberal bullshit talking points I see. Carry on.
 
matt0611 said:
Yes, child labor, giving them a job so they don't have to prostitute themselves to keep from starving. I'm sure you'd like that instead though.

Ah yes, "exploitation" = giving people jobs so they can get out of their even worse jobs in the fields all day or starve or prostitute themselves.

Aww, same old nonsensical liberal bullshit talking points I see. Carry on.
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Ah - so you want to ruin the American worker. And, I thought we should keep to our own business. Why should we care about what happens overseas? How many times have you uttered THAT before, you buffoon.

Aww, same old nonsensical slimey conservative/tea party/republican self serving "talking points" which are tied to a diety they don't even really believe but pretend they do while they exploit humanity and the very earth they walk on, I see. Carry on.
 
Macamus Prime said:
Ah - so you want to ruin the American worker. And, I thought we should keep to our own business. Why should we care about what happens overseas? How many times have you uttered THAT before, you buffoon.

Aww, same old nonsensical slimey conservative/tea party/republican self serving "talking points" which are tied to a diety they don't even really believe but pretend they do while they exploit humanity and the very earth they walk on, I see. Carry on.
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Yes, we should "mind our own business", as in, not force other people to do things at the barrel of a gun, yes. We should trade with people and of course I wish the people of the world well. You wish them to suffer I suppose?

Feel the hate flow through you, yes yes 😀
 
matt0611 said:
Yes, we should "mind our own business", as in, not force other people to do things at the barrel of a gun, yes. We should trade with people and of course I wish the people of the world well. You wish them to suffer I suppose?

Feel the hate flow through you, yes yes 😀
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You don't wish Americans nor the world well. You are nothing more than the little lap dog of your capitalist overlords. Keep barking at me, maybe your masters will comfort you and pet you to keep quiet.
 
Macamus Prime said:
You don't wish Americans nor the world well. You are nothing more than the little lap dog of your capitalist overlords. Keep barking at me, maybe your masters will comfort you and pet you to keep quiet.
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Yes, because you know my own beliefs better than I do.

Fuck capitalism right? If only we could have the government run everything and provide for us and there would be no profits for those "evil capitalists" right?

How's big government working out for us? Lol yeah, I guess its going grand.

We're witnessing your progressive economic and government policies failing.

Losing american jobs every day, the outcome of progressive economic policy. I hope you're proud.
How's that unemployment rate?
 
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Macamus Prime said:
You don't wish Americans nor the world well. You are nothing more than the little lap dog of your capitalist overlords. Keep barking at me, maybe your masters will comfort you and pet you to keep quiet.
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We just have to wait until all the countries that supply the labor for our goods have worker revolutions and demand higher wages so we can turn to the next country that abuses their workers and they have union revolutions, until we are all out of countries that are willing to exploit their workers, and hope that no country abolishes their unions because then we'll just purchase for them and fuck all the unionized countries.

In the meantime us Americans will just bury ourselves in debt by either taxing overseas goods (creating consumer debt via higher than needed costs), or subsidizing the american workforce with taxpayer dollars (creating government debt by funding overpriced labor), and hope we still have a country left by the time the whole world is willing to recognize labor rights.
 
matt0611 said:
How's that unemployment rate?
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I am not responsible for that. Your masters are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

And, lets see how THAT has worked out,...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...rowing-rich-poor-gap-20110223-141311-132.html

Oh wait,... it hasn't since the "promise" has been made.

Yap, yap, yap, yap. Be careful, if you annoy your masters too much, they'll just toss you off to the side. Let them fight their battles, no need for you to strain your voice on their behalf.
 
Macamus Prime said:
I am not responsible for that. Your masters are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics

And, lets see how THAT has worked out,...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...rowing-rich-poor-gap-20110223-141311-132.html

Oh wait,... it hasn't since the "promise" has been made.

Yap, yap, yap, yap. Be careful, if you annoy your masters too much, they'll just toss you off to the side. Let them fight their battles, no need for you to strain your voice on their behalf.
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No no, government is not responsible for the loss of economic freedoms, that's why all the growth is moving outside of the united states.

Yeah, sure lol

But but Reagan!

I mean, look at how much government has been shrinking! Oh my god, I can hardly see it anymore!

Its funny, I don't remember anyone bitching about the unempoyment rate in 2005 when it was at 4-5%. now its all the "greedy evil capitalists" or "deregulation" or "tax cuts" that are to blame for high unemployment, riiiiight.
 
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