Job offer recinded. Level 1 Security Clearance Failed.

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Keep in mind that a few negative comments from teachers and people who knew you can influence your clearance as well.

Doesn't sound like he's at that stage yet.

Yes, in my experience the investigators don't actually bother to talk to your associates unless you are going for a higher clearance such as top secret. There might be exceptions if some questionable info pops up though.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Nightfall
My brother was shocked as the most trouble he was ever in was getting a speeding ticket about 3 years ago.

speeding and? speeding and? speeding and? smoking the reefer!!

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Bad credit especially being behind on your bills when they do the clearance is probably the biggest reason for denial, at least for govt. security clearance. One of my subordinates when I was in the USAF lost his security clearance because his car got repoed and he was late on his other bills. He couldn't even go to our staff meetings and his PCS to Korea was cancelled (he was happy about that part.)

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: nerp
Bad credit? Repossessions? Late on taxes? Late on bills? Divorce? Custody issues? Political affiliations? Donating money to certian political parties? Volunteering for certian agencies? A BG check is a LOT more than the a quick check of criminal records. They're looking for people who don't fuck up their lives in multiple regards, not just criminally.

That doesn't sound like it would be legal.

Suppose in the 1950s-80s someone donated money to the Communist Party. Is that someone you think should have access to information that requires a security clearance?

 

[acheron]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: nerp
Bad credit? Repossessions? Late on taxes? Late on bills? Divorce? Custody issues? Political affiliations? Donating money to certian political parties? Volunteering for certian agencies? A BG check is a LOT more than the a quick check of criminal records. They're looking for people who don't fuck up their lives in multiple regards, not just criminally.

That doesn't sound like it would be legal.

Suppose in the 1950s-80s someone donated money to the Communist Party. Is that someone you think should have access to information that requires a security clearance?

Specifically they ask if you've ever donated to or been a member of an "organization that advocates the violent overthrow of the US government" or something like that.

 

[dbk]

Check this out

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Keep in mind that a few negative comments from teachers and people who knew you can influence your clearance as well.

Doesn't sound like he's at that stage yet.

Yes, in my experience the investigators don't actually bother to talk to your associates unless you are going for a higher clearance such as top secret. There might be exceptions if some questionable info pops up though.

It seems like the order they conduct things varies on a case-by-case basis. Though, to be fair, most of the background checks I know of were not for clearances, but for entry-level federal jobs (DEA, FBI, ICE, etc). It seems like those guys make an effort to contact at least a few of the people that lived around you or with you. Though, I also know that people have to consistently say bad things about you for it to have much of an impact. If one or two people over the course of 10 years say something bad about you, it usually doesn't hurt you that much.

As for the debt, there are lots of people with significant credit issues that still get through these background checks. I know of guys who didn't file taxes for years, guys who had large amounts of debt, and even a guy who had debt from college (10 years or something) that he simply stopped paying.

 

[EagleKeeper]

A Level 1 is an introductory clearance.

To have that rejected would indicate that he filled out information carelessly or has something in his past that the family does not know about.

One can file a FOI request for the investigation to find out why.

 

[acheron]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
As for the debt, there are lots of people with significant credit issues that still get through these background checks. I know of guys who didn't file taxes for years, guys who had large amounts of debt, and even a guy who had debt from college (10 years or something) that he simply stopped paying.

Probably depends on the position. High level DOD clearance, probably not. Secretary of the Treasury, no problem.

 

[Platypus]

Tell your brother not to quit his job before he has a new one secured... life lesson learned.

 

[Aimster]

people here at the govt haven't had their security clearance come back for years.

It sounds like his credit ruined him

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: dbk
Check this out

Foreign Preference


03/11/2009

Applicant is a native born United States citizen. She sought and received Greek citizenship becoming a dual citizen of the United States and Greece. She exercised her rights of Greek citizenship by obtaining a Greek identification card, voting in Greek elections, and receiving Greek medical benefits. She lived and worked in Greece for over 13 years, and travels to Greece frequently. Her father is a citizen and resident of Greece. She has not presented sufficient information to establish she does not have a preference for Greece over the United States. Clearance is denied.

I find this one very interesting.

 

[swbsam]

This is why I never give 2 weeks notice. I just leave! Unprofessional, yes, but I wouldn't want to be left jobless if something goes wrong or a better candidate gets the other job.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Um, it was dependent on him getting his security clearance, which he didn't. He shouldn't have accepted till it cleared

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: dbk
Check this out

Foreign Preference


03/11/2009

Applicant is a native born United States citizen. She sought and received Greek citizenship becoming a dual citizen of the United States and Greece. She exercised her rights of Greek citizenship by obtaining a Greek identification card, voting in Greek elections, and receiving Greek medical benefits. She lived and worked in Greece for over 13 years, and travels to Greece frequently. Her father is a citizen and resident of Greece. She has not presented sufficient information to establish she does not have a preference for Greece over the United States. Clearance is denied.

I find this one very interesting.

Same here. If you don't love America (or at least say you do) then you're denied!

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
alot of debt doesn't matter. The financial related issue is if your character is such that you are willing to sell secrets. They try to weed out hte very greedy. People with debt are not necessarily greedy. And alot of CEOs on Wall Street with millions and no debt are VERY greedy.

Your brother is not telling us something. Paper work for a secret clearance takes time to fill out. If he half a--ed it, they might have just rejected it because of this.

BTW: Your details suck. What level of clearance? Working where?

You're an idiot.

(a) inability or unwillingness to satisfy debts;


(b) indebtedness caused by frivolous or irresponsible spending and the absence of any evidence of willingness or intent to pay the debt or establish a realistic plan to pay the debt.


(c) a history of not meeting financial obligations;

(d) deceptive or illegal financial practices such as embezzlement, employee theft, check fraud, income tax evasion, expense account fraud, filing deceptive loan statements, and other intentional financial breaches of trust;


(e) consistent spending beyond one's means, which may be indicated by excessive indebtedness, significant negative cash flow, high debt-to-income ratio, and/or other financial analysis;


(f) financial problems that are linked to drug abuse, alcoholism, gambling problems, or other issues of security concern.


(g) failure to file annual Federal, state, or local income tax returns as required or the fraudulent filing of the same;


(h) unexplained affluence, as shown by a lifestyle or standard of living, increase in net worth, or money transfers that cannot be explained by subject's known legal sources of income;


(i) compulsive or addictive gambling as indicated by an unsuccessful attempt to stop gambling, "chasing losses" (i.e. increasing the bets or returning another day in an effort to get even), concealment of gambling losses, borrowing money to fund gambling or pay gambling debts, family conflict or other problems caused by gambling.

I have a clearance and have been told what they are concerned with.

 

[pmoa]

Nope no legal recourse here. Most defense programs will require a security clearance. WIthout a security clearance you cant work in the area...

 

[waggy]

just a quick question. what legal recourse is he thinking? sueing to get the new job or get the old one back? becuase if he just wants details he can get that without hireing a lawyer.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Cal166
I think that's just wrong of a company not to give the reason, like your brother, it would bother the crap out of me as well.

Good luck to him, hope it all works out.

The company does not conduct the background check or know why one would fail a background check. They get a 'yes' or a 'no'.

 

[A5]

How did he get it back in only 1 week? The backlog in the US is over 3 months...

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: 40Hands

Originally posted by: Saga

Originally posted by: dbk
Check this out

Foreign Preference


03/11/2009

Applicant is a native born United States citizen. She sought and received Greek citizenship becoming a dual citizen of the United States and Greece. She exercised her rights of Greek citizenship by obtaining a Greek identification card, voting in Greek elections, and receiving Greek medical benefits. She lived and worked in Greece for over 13 years, and travels to Greece frequently. Her father is a citizen and resident of Greece. She has not presented sufficient information to establish she does not have a preference for Greece over the United States. Clearance is denied.

I find this one very interesting.

Same here. If you don't love America (or at least say you do) then you're denied!

How could you possibly have a problem with this? Do you understand the purpose of security clearances?

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: waggy
sounds like he is a idiot. he quite one job BEFORE he cleared everything for the 2nd job. great idea.

Maybe this is why he failed security clearance?

 

[Nightfall]

Originally posted by: waggy
sounds like he is a idiot. he quite one job BEFORE he cleared everything for the 2nd job. great idea.

Actually, he didn't quit his job. He did put in 2 weeks notice because he was scheduled to start this one in 3 weeks time. That includes time to move out there and such. The key here was that it was all dependent upon him passing that security clearance. He really made a mistake not reading up on that. His current employer is going to keep him around it looks like.

 

[dmw16]

For it to get rejected so fast points to him messing up the paperwork or having a MAJOR RED FLAG that you and your family don't know about.

He also should not have given notice at his current job until his new one was TOTALLY secure. It's a hard way to learn this lesson.

Has he spoken to his would-have-been employer to see what his options are? Maybe there was a foul up with his background check? Does he have a common name? I have heard that with background checks for handguns if you have a common name it can delay check you out.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: nerp
Bad credit? Repossessions? Late on taxes? Late on bills? Divorce? Custody issues? Political affiliations? Donating money to certian political parties? Volunteering for certian agencies? A BG check is a LOT more than the a quick check of criminal records. They're looking for people who don't fuck up their lives in multiple regards, not just criminally.

That doesn't sound like it would be legal.

It could be if one of the job requirements involved strict rules about conflicts of interests.