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SoLiDus88

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IT is a huge field. Looks like hes looking more toward infrastructure side. That being said pick up some programming!
 

drinkmorejava

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As much as it sucks to be losing your job, it looks like they're taking care of you. I'd take it easy for a few months once you're gone, maybe take a month long trip something, pick up a new, time consuming hobby. With the new training/cert, despite that it may mean little practically, it'll help with your application, and I'm sure you're current employer will be happy to give everyone a good reccomendation. Finding a new, good job shouldn't be too hard.
 

EKKC

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do not stop working for more than 2 months. a >2 months gap will leave your future prospective employers wondering
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: richardycc
timing is prefect for you to be a SAP trainee at the company that I work at, it starts in july, I think. ;) read about it on the job networking thread. you have to relocate thou.

The bad part about that is he'd have to work with SAP. Personally, I'd rather stick an icepick through my frontal lobes, but to each his own, I guess.

OP: Where do you live?
 

Jadow

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email George Bush that the country they're sending your job to has WMDs.
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: bennylong
Originally posted by: bctbct
Ask them to pay your severance in lump sum, then you can file unemployment to sweeten the deal.

GL with the job search

You can collect serverance and unemployment at the same time. I got laid off in 2000 and I was getting paid more by not working!


Not sure where you live but you definetly cannot not do that in my state
 

boredhokie

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Ever go to college? Get a job that like mentioned earlier isn't a commodity and you won't be treated like one. Good luck either way, do what makes you happy and not what you think is expected from you.
 

Cal166

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Originally posted by: Descartes
In all honesty, your job was probably something of a commodity. Most top-level networking positions aren't easily outsourced, so I'm guessing you were doing some fairly repetitive NOC work. That's work that can be shipped to another company along with a manual stating what to do and when.

So, my advice would be to forget about all the worthless certificates. You need better experience. Classes won't give you that and certifications won't give you that. Find a position with a company that allows you to immerse yourself in a lot of different areas. I'd start moving towards smaller firms, especially those that specialize in consulting in some niche market.

Hopefully that makes sense. But let me restate one more time: If you were outsourced, certifications will not likely help you.

[edit]Just wanted to point out that I'm not trying to be harsh, so hopefully it didn't come off that way.[/edit]

I agree with Descartes but he did went a bit far as saying all the worthless certificates, like one member above mention, the CCIE is worth a lot.

I guess titles are pretty much useless in the many fields. If you have the network engineer title, then you should have enough experience to go straight to the CCNP.

Get the CCNA if it's one of your personal gold because experience will out weight the CCNA.
 

JEDI

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Originally posted by: SaigonK
So i was informed at work a few weeks back that my role is going to Asia (along with about 40 other positions) so i now have to find a new job.

The bad part is i like working for my current employer, the benefits (insurance, vacation, etc.) are great. The good part is i get a very good package.

I don't actually get done until July 1st, I have about 30 weeks of pay after i am done, so basically I have a full years worth of pay this year even though i am done on July 1st.

They are also paying for my health insurance for 6 months after i leave as part of my package...not too shabby...


With that said, my goal is either to

A. Find a new job right now. (Hate to miss out on that big severance check)
B. Stay until my time is done in July and then find a new job.


Part of my deal is I get training to help me find a new job. Being in IT (network engineer) I decided to do some things I should have way back. I am going for my CCNA class in two weeks, but what would be a good follow up after that? I don't pay for the training, its free so I need to get it all in now before it is too late.

I am also taking a Project Management course that finsihes up with an advanced certificate. More stuff for my resume. :)

Thoughts?

prj mgmt cert = worthless unless it's from PMI.

ccna, ccnp. or go the design path.

and stay to collect your servance package!! and who knows,they might change their minds next year.
 

Zolty

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Go on vacation for 26 weeks find a job in 4 weeks (jobs aren't hard to find).
 
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:thumbsup: for fiscal responsibility.

From the sound of it, you'd be crazy to quit early. That's a sweet deal and if anything jobs might be better pickins in the Summer.

Also, I think this outsourcing IT thing is a phase. There's some temporary savings to be had for large corporations, but I suspect those savings will dry up as costs to outsource continue to climb. If health insurance and WC ever see an overhaul it could be a windfall of returning jobs. So don't burn any bridges.
 

SoLiDus88

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Some jobs are easier to outsource then others. You just got to be able to adapt and modify your skill set. But definitely, the cost savings are just temporary. I've been hearing stories that outsourced work is inferior and companies end up spending more. Its hard enough to get things done with the people who work right next to you, let alone people half way across the world where cultural and language barriers can hinder communication.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: SaigonK
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: SaigonK

I am also taking a Project Management course that finsihes up with an advanced certificate. More stuff for my resume. :)

"advanced certificate" my ass. Quit tooting your own horn.

In what way am i tooting my own horn? Sheesh! The course is what it is..and dammit its free...why not get it and have that experience?


I guess I'm just pissed off for no reason.

I get the impression that you are a very miserable person.


No, not really.

Are you the ultra-liberal nut that comes into various threads whining about injustices? I picture you speaking with a lisp.
 

SaigonK

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Originally posted by: JEDI
prj mgmt cert = worthless unless it's from PMI.

ccna, ccnp. or go the design path.

and stay to collect your servance package!! and who knows,they might change their minds next year.


Thanks for the tips guys, some answers for you:

1. The Project Management cert is from PMI, I am also debating SixSigma.

2. The CCNA is more of a personal thing, the others from Cisco are most likely going to help me find a new job quicker.

3. I am planning to move closer to home (drive about 40 miles to work each day. So no one will make me get something i dont want to do for work.

4. Fiscal responsibiility is the big key in my mind, i can take less $$ if i dont need as much $$.

I am in Maine

 

EagleKeeper

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You last statement is the key issue.

If you wish to stay in your area; take a good look at the type of work that is available and get any additional training that will get you in those doors.

It may be great that there are 100 jobs listed in a city; but if you have to uproot to get those jobs... docan you want to uproot yourself?
 

Scarpozzi

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Buy a Lobster boat and a trap? Maine may be tough....

I would say check out UnumProvident, but I think most of their IT systems are here in the South.

I just got out of a VMWare training class. It was a lot of fun learning VM Infrastructure for ESX3.....best part is that once you take the class and study some questions, you can take the Exam (the class is a pre-req to get certified). Virtualization is where a lot of shops are heading to save BTUs and rackspace. We're one of those such shops....


The good news is that you have a heads up on finding a new job. It was nice of them to give you 6 months notice.
 

Cal166

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Buy a Lobster boat and a trap? Maine may be tough....

I would say check out UnumProvident, but I think most of their IT systems are here in the South.

I just got out of a VMWare training class. It was a lot of fun learning VM Infrastructure for ESX3.....best part is that once you take the class and study some questions, you can take the Exam (the class is a pre-req to get certified). Virtualization is where a lot of shops are heading to save BTUs and rackspace. We're one of those such shops....


The good news is that you have a heads up on finding a new job. It was nice of them to give you 6 months notice.

Our company is also going that route, Perfect for QA/STG. I am adding that to my training for this year.
 

ultimatebob

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Originally posted by: jdini76
apply for "Survivor".

I'd do "The Apprentice" or "American Idol" instead... The top contestants seem to get job offers from that, even if they lose. Who knows... Even if you can't sing, you could be next William Hung :)
 

d3n

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Keep an eye open to slide into another position inside your company. I wouldn't rule out moving to another city. Keep an eye on the listings of your employers internal website and the public ones. Just because they are outsourcing doesn't mean they are not hiring other positions.

They may also think that things are not flying well after the project is underway and still may require domestic support.