Originally posted by: cubby1223
Seriously, if the left-wing of the media and the blog sites never touched upon racism, this would have *never* crossed any of your minds. This *is* manufactured.
Not true. Jimmy Carter just said out loud what many have been thinking for several weeks. You may have been insensitive to the ugly undercurrents represented by the birthers, Glen Beck, and the Nazi comparisons at town hall meetings but that doesn't mean that others failed to see what was going on.Originally posted by: cubby1223
Seriously, if the left-wing of the media and the blog sites never touched upon racism, this would have *never* crossed any of your minds. This *is* manufactured.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
Richard Nixon, Republican.
Another '60s leader, this time Democrat.
"A racist is one who despises someone because of his color, and an Alabama segregationist is one who conscientiously believes that it is in the best interest of Negro and white to have a separate education and social order."
I got more.
This is another thing, the whole 'Democrats in the 60's were racists too' completely ignores the fact that all those racist Democrats got up and joined the Republicans after the Democratic party moved away from them. The Republicans greeted them with open arms.
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
Richard Nixon, Republican.
Another '60s leader, this time Democrat.
"A racist is one who despises someone because of his color, and an Alabama segregationist is one who conscientiously believes that it is in the best interest of Negro and white to have a separate education and social order."
I got more.
This is another thing, the whole 'Democrats in the 60's were racists too' completely ignores the fact that all those racist Democrats got up and joined the Republicans after the Democratic party moved away from them. The Republicans greeted them with open arms.
Robert Byrd, D-WV, would like to have a word with you.
You really should actually know what you're talking about before running your mouth. Your ignorance and bias is very apparent.
Originally posted by: loki8481
this has been a constant theme from Obama supporters ever since they called Bill Clinton a racist during the primaries.
are there racist people who are anti-Obama? of course. but the constant assertion that any and all criticisms of our dear leader have a racial motivation is absolute bullshit.
when I read Maureen Dowd's op-ed on the subject last week, I'm not sure what sickened me more -- the argument itself or the fact that hundreds of comments on the article were agreeing with her.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
Richard Nixon, Republican.
Another '60s leader, this time Democrat.
"A racist is one who despises someone because of his color, and an Alabama segregationist is one who conscientiously believes that it is in the best interest of Negro and white to have a separate education and social order."
I got more.
This is another thing, the whole 'Democrats in the 60's were racists too' completely ignores the fact that all those racist Democrats got up and joined the Republicans after the Democratic party moved away from them. The Republicans greeted them with open arms.
Robert Byrd, D-WV, would like to have a word with you.
You really should actually know what you're talking about before running your mouth. Your ignorance and bias is very apparent.
Robert Byrd repudiated his racist views, attributing this change to a traumatic event in his life in the early 1980's. Regardless of his motivations however, Byrd moved to embrace the Democratic platform on race relations and stayed with the party as opposed to maintaining them and joining the Republicans... which was my entire point.
You really should actually know what you're talking about before running your mouth. I almost feel bad beating up on you all the time, you're just too easy.
Originally posted by: alchemize
"When a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the United States as an animal ...
lol
...or as a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler...
lol
...or when they wave signs in the air that said we should have buried Obama with Kennedy,
lol
those kinds of things are beyond the bounds," the Democrat who served from 1977-1981 told students at Emory University.
lol
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: loki8481
this has been a constant theme from Obama supporters ever since they called Bill Clinton a racist during the primaries.
are there racist people who are anti-Obama? of course. but the constant assertion that any and all criticisms of our dear leader have a racial motivation is absolute bullshit.
when I read Maureen Dowd's op-ed on the subject last week, I'm not sure what sickened me more -- the argument itself or the fact that hundreds of comments on the article were agreeing with her.
What I'm sick of is the constant attempt to strawman the arguments against these people. No one has ever claimed that 'any and all criticisms of Obama have a racial motivation'.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: loki8481
this has been a constant theme from Obama supporters ever since they called Bill Clinton a racist during the primaries.
are there racist people who are anti-Obama? of course. but the constant assertion that any and all criticisms of our dear leader have a racial motivation is absolute bullshit.
when I read Maureen Dowd's op-ed on the subject last week, I'm not sure what sickened me more -- the argument itself or the fact that hundreds of comments on the article were agreeing with her.
What I'm sick of is the constant attempt to strawman the arguments against these people. No one has ever claimed that 'any and all criticisms of Obama have a racial motivation'.
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Robert Byrd, D-WV, would like to have a word with you.
You really should actually know what you're talking about before running your mouth. Your ignorance and bias is very apparent.
Robert Byrd repudiated his racist views, attributing this change to a traumatic event in his life in the early 1980's. Regardless of his motivations however, Byrd moved to embrace the Democratic platform on race relations and stayed with the party as opposed to maintaining them and joining the Republicans... which was my entire point.
You really should actually know what you're talking about before running your mouth. I almost feel bad beating up on you all the time, you're just too easy.
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Ah, so only the fine, upstanding Democrats can "repudiate" their views, but of course, all Republicans can't.
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You're such a partisan tool...it's not worth even debating with you, since you ignore the facts and go purely off of your bias (typical from the left). Read any article on Robert Byrd...listen to his speeches. Bah, what am I talking about...those silly facts again! It's amazing how this pesky thing called the truth gets in the way of pure emotional rotgut, isn't it? 😉
Go slink back under your rock of "superiority".
For everyone's reading enjoyment:
Check out Section 1.1
Justify away, eskimospy! Justify away...
Of course, eskimospy will claim (again) that the fine Democrats have "repudiated" their views they held for years, but of course, "all those bigots who joined the Republican party, welcomed with open arms" are completely incapable of "repudiating" their views.
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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: loki8481
this has been a constant theme from Obama supporters ever since they called Bill Clinton a racist during the primaries.
are there racist people who are anti-Obama? of course. but the constant assertion that any and all criticisms of our dear leader have a racial motivation is absolute bullshit.
when I read Maureen Dowd's op-ed on the subject last week, I'm not sure what sickened me more -- the argument itself or the fact that hundreds of comments on the article were agreeing with her.
What I'm sick of is the constant attempt to strawman the arguments against these people. No one has ever claimed that 'any and all criticisms of Obama have a racial motivation'.
You're the one setting up the "strawman", since the subject of this article, Jimmy Carter, has said such the thing that you're saying "no one is claiming".
"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African American," Carter said.
And now, you will split hairs over "an overwhelming portion" VS "any and all".
"Bu...bu...but! Overwhelming majority is 99%, not 100%!"
3...2...1...go!
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
You realize that you do this every time, right? The only reason I can think of is that you have (once again) failed to comprehend what you read. Are the schools in Texas really this bad?
My original post had exactly one point. Racists in the US who used to identify with the Democrats and felt the party moved away from them went from that party to the Republicans in the years following the passage of civil rights legislation. This is undeniable historical fact. You then took that idea and attempted to disprove it by showing a racist who moved his views to keep them with the Democratic Party. This is simply an elementary failure in understanding or in logic.
The rest of your post is just emotional, enraged arm waving and anti liberal foaming. Oh, you threw in a few more made up arguments for me to have too (like the whole 'Republicans are incapable of repudiating their views' thing.) Are your gallant victories over invented positions and arguments of mine some sort of therapy you have going on?
It seems that very few repugs agree with this. If it's not a republican in control, then the president will be continuously stymied. They are so loyal to their party - more than to the country - that they stomached bush for eight years.Originally posted by: D-Man
President Obama said he would be everyone's President after he was Elected. I did not vote for him and I really did not want to Vote for McCain. After Obama made this statement I was impressed and figured maybe I was wrong not voting for him he might be just the man we need. I am concerned about the health care plan and would like to see a final draft before passing any bills even though I do not have Health Care and I am 60 years old. The sheer number of Czar's disturbes me somewhat though I can see these Czar's would have more time to really dig into some of our problems and come up with well thought out solutions. But after I saw the Background of the Green Jobs Van Jones I became troubled that President Obama may not have looked into the background's of all the other Czar's agendas. I have more reasons I do not agree with President Obama that have nothing to do with race and of all my friends only 1 I would consider a racist and does not hide it at all. So if I attend a Tea Party or a March to Washington am I now a Racist?
I do concede that President Obama had a very large pile of problems laid at his feet and I wish him well. His success is our Nations success. I am sure we all have a goal for America abut I believe the Political bickering and jockeying for position by our Congress and Senate Democrat and Republican alike is turning his Presidency into a mess more than any other reason.
Originally posted by: seemingly random
It seems that very few repugs agree with this. If it's not a republican in control, then the president will be continuously stymied. They are so loyal to their party - more than to the country - that they stomached bush for eight years.Originally posted by: D-Man
President Obama said he would be everyone's President after he was Elected. I did not vote for him and I really did not want to Vote for McCain. After Obama made this statement I was impressed and figured maybe I was wrong not voting for him he might be just the man we need. I am concerned about the health care plan and would like to see a final draft before passing any bills even though I do not have Health Care and I am 60 years old. The sheer number of Czar's disturbes me somewhat though I can see these Czar's would have more time to really dig into some of our problems and come up with well thought out solutions. But after I saw the Background of the Green Jobs Van Jones I became troubled that President Obama may not have looked into the background's of all the other Czar's agendas. I have more reasons I do not agree with President Obama that have nothing to do with race and of all my friends only 1 I would consider a racist and does not hide it at all. So if I attend a Tea Party or a March to Washington am I now a Racist?
I do concede that President Obama had a very large pile of problems laid at his feet and I wish him well. His success is our Nations success. I am sure we all have a goal for America abut I believe the Political bickering and jockeying for position by our Congress and Senate Democrat and Republican alike is turning his Presidency into a mess more than any other reason.
Originally posted by: Athena
Not true. Jimmy Carter just said out loud what many have been thinking for several weeks. You may have been insensitive to the ugly undercurrents represented by the birthers, Glen Beck, and the Nazi comparisons at town hall meetings but that doesn't mean that others failed to see what was going on.Originally posted by: cubby1223
Seriously, if the left-wing of the media and the blog sites never touched upon racism, this would have *never* crossed any of your minds. This *is* manufactured.
It is not manufactured. Only Republicans who represent "safe" seats can afford to think it is.
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: eskimospy
You realize that you do this every time, right? The only reason I can think of is that you have (once again) failed to comprehend what you read. Are the schools in Texas really this bad?
My original post had exactly one point. Racists in the US who used to identify with the Democrats and felt the party moved away from them went from that party to the Republicans in the years following the passage of civil rights legislation. This is undeniable historical fact. You then took that idea and attempted to disprove it by showing a racist who moved his views to keep them with the Democratic Party. This is simply an elementary failure in understanding or in logic.
The rest of your post is just emotional, enraged arm waving and anti liberal foaming. Oh, you threw in a few more made up arguments for me to have too (like the whole 'Republicans are incapable of repudiating their views' thing.) Are your gallant victories over invented positions and arguments of mine some sort of therapy you have going on?
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Speaking of foaming at the mouth and baseless raging, nice assumption there, chief. I've never been to Texas. Bigot much?
Oh, nice way to evade the post by Hayabusa way back around post 60-ish, where he asks you to provide specific reps who jumped party like you claimed they "all" did, yet you...evaded his question with a deflection and failed to provide any facts whatsoever to back up your claims.
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You make a wild claim, you need to back it up with facts, not just biased delusions in your head. The burden of proof (look it up) is on the person making the accusations.
I've provided link upon link backing up my position, you once again provide...insults and deflections. Not one solid piece of fact to back up anything you say. Just more arrogance, "I'm better than you and I'm superior so all I say is right and all you say is wrong!"
:roll:
For someone so "smart", you sure are extremely poor at debating, instead of actually debating, you turn to the tried-and-true Saul Alinsky playbook of insult and belittle your opposition.
TLDR version: Put up or shut up. Where are the facts backing up your supposedly superior position? I've provided mine...where are yours? If they even exist?
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Doboji
This is a fallacy... you need to go do your research. The North did NOT believe that Black people were equal to Whites... their economy simply didnt run on slave labor the way the South did. The war was NEVER about slavery, they freed the slaves to help win the war, not the other way around.
Having said that I do more often than not... find that when I meet a person who flies a confederate flag... they tend to be more likely to be racist. But the flag in and of itself is NOT a racist symbol.
I never said that northerners believed blacks were equal to whites (as they were frequently quite racist), but the civil war was definitely about slavery. The idea that it wasn't about slavery experienced brief popularity about 70-100 years ago, but most historians now agree that while the civil war was about many things, it was about slavery more than any other.
Your missing the point... it was about economics. The entire economy of the South revolved around the Slave labor and Southern power revolved around this economic strength. The overwhelming majority of people who were looking to end slavery in that century were interested because of it's economic impact NOT because they deemed it racist.