Jim Webb was ready to slug Bush over comment made at a White House reception

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
Just proves Webb is a douchebag.

Unlike one of our sitting Presidents, or almost anyone else in this criminal administration, Webb is a decorated Vietnam War veteran. Props to him for keeping his cool and not doing what the majority of Americans would like to do to the Criminal In Chief.

You've just proved that you misspelled your nick. It should be Rectum. :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

 

[mfs378]

"How's your boy?" The very phrasing of that question is demeaning. Webb's son is not some "boy," he's a man, a Marine. Fighting a questionable war that we are ostensibly in because of Bush. Bush should show more respect to the men he has sent into battle.

 

[theeedude]

I have a feeling Webb doesn't really care what anyone else thinks. He is just going to do his thing.
If Bush is concerned about Webb's boy, he should come up with a working plan for Iraq, not pay lip service.

 

[Bumrush99]

I don't think his response was correct, nor would I think it is smart for a politician to talk about slugging the president.
His son volunteered to join the military, Bush was simply asking him a question. I'm sure his son has a different attitude than his father, he would probably go all out to protect his fellow troops, rather than to cut and run like Webb would like to.

We can't go back to the past and change the course of events that led to this war and led to his son being in combat. We can investigate the deceptions by the adminstration, but to think that we can just get out now is not feasible or practical.

 

[Rainsford]

I have to agree with jackschmittusa, I find it refreshing that we have people in office willing to not feel the need to play the political game every second of every day. By and large this past election was the American people asking for a congress with a spine, and while I'm not convinced that's what they'll get, I think the voters of Virginia got at least one Senator in that category.

Now I can understand complaints about "professionalism", but I think that only goes so far...and when someone else drops the ball on that first, I see no reason anyone has an obligation to continue the game. Bush was being a smartass about something I would imagine most parents are sensitive about, and I don't think the obligations of professionalism, even in politics, require Webb to continue to be polite. In fact, Webb WAS being professional in simply avoiding the President. The fact that he owned up to his actions and his feelings here will endear him to his supporters more than anything else, because I suspect many of them feel the same way and probably would have responded in the same fashion.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Aimster
To the last 2 people who responded in this thread, wtf?

He didnt do anything wrong nor did he insult the President.
It is not his job to kiss the President's ass.

He responded the way he wanted to. He has a son fighting in Iraq. So stop it now, seriously. Illegal War where innocent U.S service men are dying .. FOR NOTHING AT ALL.

Actually the war isn't illegal.

The UN just extended the mandate of the multinational forces in Iraq. Stop with the lies.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I don't think his response was correct, nor would I think it is smart for a politician to talk about slugging the president.
His son volunteered to join the military, Bush was simply asking him a question. I'm sure his son has a different attitude than his father, he would probably go all out to protect his fellow troops, rather than to cut and run like Webb would like to.

We can't go back to the past and change the course of events that led to this war and led to his son being in combat. We can investigate the deceptions by the adminstration, but to think that we can just get out now is not feasible or practical.

So, staying in Iraq is actually "protecting" the troops?

Just to be clear, "cut and run" = not protecting the troops.


Ok, got it.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster
To the last 2 people who responded in this thread, wtf?

He didnt do anything wrong nor did he insult the President.
It is not his job to kiss the President's ass.

He responded the way he wanted to. He has a son fighting in Iraq. So stop it now, seriously. Illegal War where innocent U.S service men are dying .. FOR NOTHING AT ALL.

Actually the war isn't illegal.

The UN just extended the mandate of the multinational forces in Iraq. Stop with the lies.

Actually, its not a war unless congress says so. Don't recall that happening after the 90 day presidential war power.

 

[Firebot]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Aimster
To the last 2 people who responded in this thread, wtf?

He didnt do anything wrong nor did he insult the President.
It is not his job to kiss the President's ass.

He responded the way he wanted to. He has a son fighting in Iraq. So stop it now, seriously. Illegal War where innocent U.S service men are dying .. FOR NOTHING AT ALL.

No he acted rather childish. No its not his job to kiss the presidents ass. But you are supposed to have common courtesy and respect. Im sorry but his actions were just childish. Even Bush's harshest critics give him respect in person. Webb committed poltical suicide by not following political protocal. He won by the slimmest of margins. He will be a one term senator.

Since your such an expert please enlighten me as to how many children you currently have fighting in Iraq? 😛

Just because he has a son in Iraq doesnt mean he cant be civil or a jackass. There is a thing called political courtesy. Webb blew it. Hes a low ranking jr senator pissant in politics. Hes not going to go far if he keeps it up.

What did you want Webb to say?

"Why my boy is doing fine in Iraq, thank you sir! He has gotten over his buddy being blown up by a suicide bomber last month, and is now patrolling the streets in Baghdad hoping that the Shi'ites and Sunnis aren't shooting each other today but they really aren't anyways since this isn't a civil war as you said. He's proud to be in Iraq 'staying the course' for you Mr. President knowing that you were such a noble soldier in your younger days also fighting for your country. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch the news and hope that I don't get to see my son's name tonight just like I have every night for the past 3 years. Good day to you Mr. President!"

:frown:

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Aimster
I dont think Webb was being childish. I think the President started it.

If the President had said "We can discuss that later if you wish" everything would have been fine. The way the President responded IMO was just incorrect..

Uh no Webb started it by being childish and trying to avoid the president.

There is nothing childish about intentionally avoiding someone you don't like and don't want to talk to.

Originally posted by: Wreckem
No he acted rather childish. No its not his job to kiss the presidents ass. But you are supposed to have common courtesy and respect. Im sorry but his actions were just childish. Even Bush's harshest critics give him respect in person. Webb committed poltical suicide by not following political protocal. He won by the slimmest of margins. He will be a one term senator.

Regarding this quote, I believe the conversation went as follows:

Conversation between GWB and Senator Webb:
Bush asked, "How's your boy?"

Webb responded, "I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President."

Bush responded by saying, "That's not what I asked you. How's your boy?"

"That's between me and my boy, Mr. President," Webb said.

The conversation ended there.

How in any way is this response lacking in common courtesy or respect? There is no name-calling, no ridiculing, no nonsense. It is simple, and straight to the point. Bush was being a jackass, and Webb decided to be "the bigger man" and not say anything negative or derogatory, but simply end the conversation. No problem here.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Thanks for the link/thread.
I do hope the Bush ppl don't put the hit on Jim Webb or his son over this incident.
I have never felt the shame I do, as an American, because of this administration's actions.

Yeah Mr. President, how are your drunkin' slut twins doing 😛

...Galvanized

Yeah Mr. President, how are your drunkin' slut twins doing
FTW

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Aimster
To the last 2 people who responded in this thread, wtf?

He didnt do anything wrong nor did he insult the President.
It is not his job to kiss the President's ass.

He responded the way he wanted to. He has a son fighting in Iraq. So stop it now, seriously. Illegal War where innocent U.S service men are dying .. FOR NOTHING AT ALL.

Actually the war isn't illegal.

The UN just extended the mandate of the multinational forces in Iraq. Stop with the lies.

Actually it 'was' illegal. Fortunately, the USA is good at buying ex post facto authorization.

As for the OP, Bush was just being himself . . . an arsehole. Since he's never lived in the real world he probably had no idea that being an arsehole at the wrong time can occasionally result in a beating.

If Webb had punk'd him, I imagine most Americans would say, "he asked for it."

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
Thanks for the link/thread.
I do hope the Bush ppl don't put the hit on Jim Webb or his son over this incident.
I have never felt the shame I do, as an American, because of this administration's actions.

Yeah Mr. President, how are your drunkin' slut twins doing 😛

...Galvanized

Yeah Mr. President, how are your drunkin' slut twins doing
FTW

hahhahaha how great would it have been if Webb had retorted with that.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Aimster
I dont think Webb was being childish. I think the President started it.

If the President had said "We can discuss that later if you wish" everything would have been fine. The way the President responded IMO was just incorrect..

Uh no Webb started it by being childish and trying to avoid the president.

Anyone else find it amusing to see two people in disagreement about perceived childishness arguing over "who started it?"

cumhail

 

[judasmachine]

Well perhaps we should ask how CapnKirk (sorry if I got the name wrong) what he would have thought/said/done. He is the only one I know of here that has a son over there.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Aimster
To the last 2 people who responded in this thread, wtf?

He didnt do anything wrong nor did he insult the President.
It is not his job to kiss the President's ass.

He responded the way he wanted to. He has a son fighting in Iraq. So stop it now, seriously. Illegal War where innocent U.S service men are dying .. FOR NOTHING AT ALL.

We really do need our elected officials to act like adults, really more than just adults. Thye have to work together and should set a good example. This is not a good example. Talk of slugging your political opponet is inappropriate. We're not supposed to settle our differences with violence.

Most of us have had enough of the animosity between parties etc. Talk of slugging the President may be the populist "thing" to do, but is tacky at best.

Fern

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern
We really do need our elected officials to act like adults, really more than just adults.
.
.
Talk of slugging the President may be the populist "thing" to do, but is tacky at best.

Considering the circumstances, Webb did act as an adult. He exercised his First Amendment right to free speech instead of exercising his fists.

I think the entire administration should be tried for murder for every American death in Iraq. The war is based on nothing but lies. I think that, at a minimum, those deaths could be considered "callous disregard" for, or "depraved indifference" to the foreseeable consequenses of, that war.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Well perhaps we should ask how CapnKirk (sorry if I got the name wrong) what he would have thought/said/done. He is the only one I know of here that has a son over there.

Chris got back just a few weeks ago, and has been visiting with us and seeing friends and family, staying pretty busy.

Pics from the Homecoming:

Welcome Home
Warning
Swarm
Hugs


He's always been 'on mission', but my observation is that he dislikes the situation that we are in,
and doesn't have a very high regard for Iraq, Iraqi's, or anyone else from that region of the world.
He seems to think that they are a waste of time, and are not worth helping as they don't do anything,
and don't really care about anything but themselves - mercenary like, perhaps as a result of being caught in the middle.

He has had friends and fellow Soldiers killed and wounded during this second deployment as well,
and has no desire to return - although he has resigned his fate to knowing that he will be re-assigned to another group,
and expects to be sent back in as few as 7 more months - troop shortages being what they are.

He seems satisfied that the Democrats have won in the last election cycle, and is glad that so many
of the GOP were tossed out - he thinks that the incoming Congress will have a better chance of
un-entangling us from the situation, as the current Administration is doing nothing more than covering
Bush's ass to prevent Dubya from being the fall guy for catostrophic stupidity.

He wasn't aware that Rumsfeld had been slated for removal - he said "Great - about time, the guy's an absolute ass."

As for myself, I wouldn't go accross the street to piss on Bush if he was on fire.
Don't care to see . . or talk to that condescending egotist.

Hey, don't forget . . Webb used to be a Republican and quit to run against their mindless lock-step agenda.
Maybe that's why so many of the 'Alledged Conservatives' here as so riled up against him.
He might know where some more of the bodies have been hidden.

 

[Aisengard]

I didn't really like Webb before, I still don't really like him now, but I certainly respect him now that he's shown he's got the balls to not fall all over himself to support the President, like our 2008 hopeful John McCain, who actually is a certifiable, blowin' in the political wind, douchebag.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
I didn't really like Webb before, I still don't really like him now, but I certainly respect him now that he's shown he's got the balls to not fall all over himself to support the President, like our 2008 hopeful John McCain, who actually is a certifiable, blowin' in the political wind, douchebag.

Thats about my feeling toward McCain at this point as well. All because of his little trip to Liberty U to support the good (😉) Rev. Falwell.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Aimster
To the last 2 people who responded in this thread, wtf?

He didnt do anything wrong nor did he insult the President.
It is not his job to kiss the President's ass.

He responded the way he wanted to. He has a son fighting in Iraq. So stop it now, seriously. Illegal War where innocent U.S service men are dying .. FOR NOTHING AT ALL.

No he acted rather childish. No its not his job to kiss the presidents ass. But you are supposed to have common courtesy and respect. Im sorry but his actions were just childish. Even Bush's harshest critics give him respect in person. Webb committed poltical suicide by not following political protocal. He won by the slimmest of margins. He will be a one term senator.

Since your such an expert please enlighten me as to how many children you currently have fighting in Iraq? 😛

Just because he has a son in Iraq doesnt mean he cant be civil or a jackass. There is a thing called political courtesy. Webb blew it. Hes a low ranking jr senator pissant in politics. Hes not going to go far if he keeps it up.

Is that like the political courtesy Bush shown as he was making light of not finding WMD's during that 2004 press dinner? Looking under tables for them...

I guess that "courtesy" doesn't extend to the cannon fodder...

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Aimster
I dont think Webb was being childish. I think the President started it.

If the President had said "We can discuss that later if you wish" everything would have been fine. The way the President responded IMO was just incorrect..

Uh no Webb started it by being childish and trying to avoid the president.

I think he initially responded quite directly.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Well perhaps we should ask how CapnKirk (sorry if I got the name wrong) what he would have thought/said/done. He is the only one I know of here that has a son over there.

Chris got back just a few weeks ago, and has been visiting with us and seeing friends and family, staying pretty busy.

Pics from the Homecoming:

Welcome Home
Warning
Swarm
Hugs


He's always been 'on mission', but my observation is that he dislikes the situation that we are in,
and doesn't have a very high regard for Iraq, Iraqi's, or anyone else from that region of the world.
He seems to think that they are a waste of time, and are not worth helping as they don't do anything,
and don't really care about anything but themselves - mercenary like, perhaps as a result of being caught in the middle.

He has had friends and fellow Soldiers killed and wounded during this second deployment as well,
and has no desire to return - although he has resigned his fate to knowing that he will be re-assigned to another group,
and expects to be sent back in as few as 7 more months - troop shortages being what they are.

He seems satisfied that the Democrats have won in the last election cycle, and is glad that so many
of the GOP were tossed out - he thinks that the incoming Congress will have a better chance of
un-entangling us from the situation, as the current Administration is doing nothing more than covering
Bush's ass to prevent Dubya from being the fall guy for catostrophic stupidity.

He wasn't aware that Rumsfeld had been slated for removal - he said "Great - about time, the guy's an absolute ass."

As for myself, I wouldn't go accross the street to piss on Bush if he was on fire.
Don't care to see . . or talk to that condescending egotist.

Hey, don't forget . . Webb used to be a Republican and quit to run against their mindless lock-step agenda.
Maybe that's why so many of the 'Alledged Conservatives' here as so riled up against him.
He might know where some more of the bodies have been hidden.

Thanks for your response. It's good to hear a parents perspective on what their child is going through. And after reading your response, and what Webb said to Bush, Webb's comments all make sense to me.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Aimster
To the last 2 people who responded in this thread, wtf?

He didnt do anything wrong nor did he insult the President.
It is not his job to kiss the President's ass.

He responded the way he wanted to. He has a son fighting in Iraq. So stop it now, seriously. Illegal War where innocent U.S service men are dying .. FOR NOTHING AT ALL.

We really do need our elected officials to act like adults, really more than just adults. Thye have to work together and should set a good example. This is not a good example. Talk of slugging your political opponet is inappropriate. We're not supposed to settle our differences with violence.

Most of us have had enough of the animosity between parties etc. Talk of slugging the President may be the populist "thing" to do, but is tacky at best.

Fern

Are you kidding? Webb's actions and comments, while maybe out of place at a tea party, are light years ahead of what we've been subjected to for the past several years (really since the Gingrich "revolution") in political discourse. Politicians have for too long considered "setting a good example" to be acting unbelievably "fake nice" in person and then utterly slamming your opponents behind their back, in other words, acting like rejects from "Desperate Housewives". While Webb may not be perfect at making nice, he's more honest about it than his peers of both parties, and I think that's a much more "adult" way to approach it than our current standards.

 

[slash196]

Well put. It's not Webb's job to kiss ass and make nice with the president; after all, he was elected pretty much solely to stand up to the president, not be another sycophant. And people calling him childish: it would be childish if he had actually slugged him. Showing self-control is a sign of maturity, not the other way around.