Jim Beam not letting their employees use the bathrooms!

[waggy]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: waggy
heh while i think this is a BAD move i can half way understand why they did it. but the negative backlash from consumers and workers is going to hurt more then this silly rule will help.


but anyway the reason i am posting is amusedone keeps saying when it stops it cost the company thousands of dollers a minute. uhh NO it dont.

lets see there are 60min in an hour 8 hours in a day so thats 480min in a day at "thousands" say 2000 thats $960,00 a day. oh roughly $19mill amonth. somehow i doubt they make that that much


heh see what happens when you are bored and the baby is sleeping?

Yeah, you'ree probably right. I'm thinking of larger production lines like auto and paper plants. Still, it's VERY expensive to stop the line.

I was a manger at a factory and we figured it cost us about a grand to start/stop a line. so yeah it does cost a lot to do it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
A lot of union/management issues are settled once someone notices they don't pass the smell test.

The fact that this policy got national media attention pretty much proves that this policy doesn't pass the smell test.

I fill out Dr's notes for folks in the ER frequently, and this is one I'd fill out & never bother to pass along the patient to the physician...

Lets see enlarged prostate, urinary tract infection, diarrhea, lactose intolerance, kidney stones, I can name a million reasons to allow folks to go to the bathroom...

But they ARE allowed to use the bathroom. 5 times in an 8 hour period, and one of those times can be whenever they like. Unless a person has a valid medical excuse, there is no reason why someone would need to use the bathroom more than 5 times in an 8 hour period.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

You totally missed my point...

As a grown man i should have the right to decide when i need to use the bathroom, NOBODY should decide when i need to use the bathroom but me...

If grown men and women weren't exploiting the previous unlimited bathroom break policy, the new policy would not exist. Believe it or not, companies don't just institute policies like this because of a sadistic bent, rather they resort to them as a last recourse when supposedly mature adults take advantage of and abuse more permissive policies. The workers created the necessity for this policy. They have no-one to blame but themselves.

ZV

Read my answer to AmusedOne... To punish everyone for the wrongdoings of a few is not very smart... in the end, i think this policy will prove to be counterproductive...

How are you going to respect your employer when he has no respect for you?

That's the point. You cannot single out workers and make different policies for different workers unless thay have a verifiable special need. To do so will invite discrimination lawsuits. Therefore you must make your policies arbitrary and have them apply to everyone equally.

It's the same anywhere.

Trust me AmusedOne... NO company would get away with a policy like that in Sweden...

Like I said before, I'll bet you money any production line job in your country has strict rules about when workers may take breaks.

At the very least, I'll bet they cannot leave the line until replaced. Scheduled or not, they are still having to get permission to go.

You cannot have a production line with workers getting up and leaving any time they feel like it. I don't care how liberal you think your country is.

Actually, i have been living here for a long time, i have worked in a production line too... Here the employer tends to trust the employees enough to let them take responsibility of their work, if someone cannot do so, he will be asked what happened and perhaps be warned, if he continues to abuse the system, he will be fired...

You can say what you want to, but NO company in Sweden has a policy regarding bathroom visits... if any company tried to enforce such a policy, there would be an outrage...

BUT, what you seem to not want to admit is that a worker cannot leave the line until replaced. To do so requires permission, and to wait for the replacement.

There is very little different between that, and simply scheduling the breaks so that they are staggered uniformily.

Actually, no, to do your job in the way it has to be done does not require permission, it is left up to the workers to see that they are replaced before leaving the line, if they do not do so, they will be asked why, if it is acute enough, then they will have a reason, if it happens again, they will be warned... it's all about respect and communication...

However, as we both agree about this issue, there is no point in arguing any further... Have a great day AmusedOne... c u around...

 

[Pliablemoose]

Amused One, seems as though you have the minority opinion...CNN Poll


I've been in management & one of the reasons I'm not in now is BS policies like this... Lets see national media attention, a citation from the state, tons & tons of bad publicity..... Yep, stupid move.

I notice they consulted with a Urologist, they should have included a GI Doc, an industrial psychologist, & a PR firm too.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Amused One, seems as though you have the minority opinion...CNN Poll


I've been in management & one of the reasons I'm not in now is BS policies like this... Lets see national media attention, a citation from the state, tons & tons of bad publicity..... Yep, stupid move.

I notice they consulted with a Urologist, they should have included a GI Doc, an industrial psychologist, & a PR firm too.

An argument from popular opinion is a fallacious one. Not to mention it's an internet poll, AND I doubt most people read the entire article to see that they are allowed a bathroom break on an average of every 96 minutes. All they saw was the same misleading crap that makes up this thread title.

 

[Pliablemoose]

AmusedOne, life is a popular opinion poll

 

[tcsenter]

People seem to believe the workplace is an extension of their home, just leave and break when you want. I'm fairly sure there is a highly vocal and lazy minority doing all the agitating here and the fact that a union managed to get some journalist to write an article and a major news agency to print it isn't impressive. There are dozens of workplace examples where people can not just take a bathroom break whenever they want, I don't see what's so special about working for a distilling company unless the employees are sampling the product.

Imagine working in a biocontainment lab where every time you leave the biocontainment area it costs $100 in gloves, gowns, hoods, decontamination shower, etc.

I hope that whenever these people need emergency medical care the EMT's stop on the way to the home and take a 15 minute piss break.

 

[N8Magic]

I didn't read all of the replies, so this may be redundant but:

If I have to take a leak, i'm going to go to the restroom and do my business. If the company reprimands me or fires me, it's time to go to the labour board and file a wrongful dimissal suit. (and win)

That's the bottom line.

 

[TranceNation]

lol, one thing is for sure though, you guys need to selective qoute when you reply!!

 

[AsukaStrikes]

they still get 4 bathroom breaks a day, which is more than schools let us. but we need stronger unions to protect the weaker and less productive workers

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: N8Magic
I didn't read all of the replies, so this may be redundant but:

If I have to take a leak, i'm going to go to the restroom and do my business. If the company reprimands me or fires me, it's time to go to the labour board and file a wrongful dimissal suit. (and win)

That's the bottom line.

SnapIT, this is my point, made perfectly.

 

[trulfe]

This would Piss me off

 

[Chris A]

It is no wonder why so many companies have moved out of the US. to manufacture their goods.

Bathroom abuse is a pretty popular thing in Union shops where people focus on how much they and others can get away with other then the quality of their work. 5 breaks in 8 hours is not unreasonable.

 

[TreMetal]

I do not want employees to go to the bathroom while making my booze!