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Orignal Earl
Diamond Member
ShotgunSteven
Lifer
Apparently they are moving toilets in UK prisons during a remodel job, because Muslim groups were complaining that they can't use the crapper if their back is towards Mecca in the process.
ThePresence
Elite Member
Hey look we found a teenager being a ass! Must be that's what all Jews are taught.
Because we know that when teenagers make asses out of themselves it's what they were taught to do in school. :roll:
"what I believe many fail to understand is that in the Middle East about 75% of the population is illiterate and un-educated. They are fed from the breast the core values of Islamic fundamentalism. Your argument applies to an educated society however my friend I do not believe the same for most Muslims in the middle east."
Ok I should clarify since you raise a valid point. I also think you hit the nail on the head with the reason i.e the illiteracy and lack of educated people in many regions of the middle east. I think this stems from historical reasons in the region including but not entirely because of previous European colonial involvement in the region so again the west is not entirely without guilt on this one *But by no means fully at fault either*.
The moderates in those countries are indeed far fewer... however this is partially because many of those moderates flee those countries to come to countries such as mine and yours *based on my assumption that you are American 🙂, please correct me if I'm wrong*.
"Where are all these so called "Moderate Muslims"? Why do they not speak out when such vile comments are spewed by there religious leaders?"
To give you a little insight, I live in London. London is one of the most multi cultural cities in the world and though like any other city it has its share of problems including racial tensions it has for the most part done very well very much because of that multi cultural aspect. It's one of the things I happen to most like about the City in which I currently live. I miss it when i go visit certain other places.
In London we have our fair share of both sides of the coin, we certainly have radical elements and the saudi's unfortunately have very close ties with our government and that means they have disproportianate representation of their beliefs in the city. However despite all their money and influence a very large number of the Muslims here do indeed side against the atrocities carried out in Islams name. However despite condemning those acts they still feel that they are being blamed for the actions of others. It's not nice feeling like a target when you've done nothing wrong yourself.
I'm not sure on the situation in the US because I've only really been to Arizona for any decent length of time and it didn't seem like there were too many Muslims of Arabic decent there. *Which is the group that most people tend to have the problem with*. But then in Arizona people seem more concerned about the Mexicans anyway.
"Do you honestly believe what you just said?"
Yes I do in the context in which I'm talking about. Engaging moderates in my own country. If Muslims in countries in the Middle East want to kill each other or even us there is little I can really do to persuade them otherwise not being able to speak Arabic. This thread is about Muslim faith schools in the UK not the Middle East 🙂. I would much prefer that the extremist views that are so popular in the Middle East had less influence in my own country.
"The Israelis have been trying to do this since the beginning of time."
Funny I thought Islam only began in the 7th century CE. 😉.
"Israelis do not demonize or ridicule Islamic beliefs, they have tried in every sense to have peace with the arab nations however it is the Arab nations that do not want this."
In the case of Israel it is a very different kettle of fish. Part of their problem is that they are not only Jewish which instantly marks them out for special attention in Islam, but also that their state was established in a former Arab state. The political and regional ramifications of this make things far more complicated and honestly I don't think anything they do will change much in the short term. If they were to put down their weapons and welcome all Arabic nations with open arms they would likely be squashed so it's a totally different situation 🙂.
To jpeyton : Nice to know someone considers this reasonable.
Ok I should clarify since you raise a valid point. I also think you hit the nail on the head with the reason i.e the illiteracy and lack of educated people in many regions of the middle east. I think this stems from historical reasons in the region including but not entirely because of previous European colonial involvement in the region so again the west is not entirely without guilt on this one *But by no means fully at fault either*.
The moderates in those countries are indeed far fewer... however this is partially because many of those moderates flee those countries to come to countries such as mine and yours *based on my assumption that you are American 🙂, please correct me if I'm wrong*.
"Where are all these so called "Moderate Muslims"? Why do they not speak out when such vile comments are spewed by there religious leaders?"
To give you a little insight, I live in London. London is one of the most multi cultural cities in the world and though like any other city it has its share of problems including racial tensions it has for the most part done very well very much because of that multi cultural aspect. It's one of the things I happen to most like about the City in which I currently live. I miss it when i go visit certain other places.
In London we have our fair share of both sides of the coin, we certainly have radical elements and the saudi's unfortunately have very close ties with our government and that means they have disproportianate representation of their beliefs in the city. However despite all their money and influence a very large number of the Muslims here do indeed side against the atrocities carried out in Islams name. However despite condemning those acts they still feel that they are being blamed for the actions of others. It's not nice feeling like a target when you've done nothing wrong yourself.
I'm not sure on the situation in the US because I've only really been to Arizona for any decent length of time and it didn't seem like there were too many Muslims of Arabic decent there. *Which is the group that most people tend to have the problem with*. But then in Arizona people seem more concerned about the Mexicans anyway.
"Do you honestly believe what you just said?"
Yes I do in the context in which I'm talking about. Engaging moderates in my own country. If Muslims in countries in the Middle East want to kill each other or even us there is little I can really do to persuade them otherwise not being able to speak Arabic. This thread is about Muslim faith schools in the UK not the Middle East 🙂. I would much prefer that the extremist views that are so popular in the Middle East had less influence in my own country.
"The Israelis have been trying to do this since the beginning of time."
Funny I thought Islam only began in the 7th century CE. 😉.
"Israelis do not demonize or ridicule Islamic beliefs, they have tried in every sense to have peace with the arab nations however it is the Arab nations that do not want this."
In the case of Israel it is a very different kettle of fish. Part of their problem is that they are not only Jewish which instantly marks them out for special attention in Islam, but also that their state was established in a former Arab state. The political and regional ramifications of this make things far more complicated and honestly I don't think anything they do will change much in the short term. If they were to put down their weapons and welcome all Arabic nations with open arms they would likely be squashed so it's a totally different situation 🙂.
To jpeyton : Nice to know someone considers this reasonable.
Orignal Earl
Diamond Member
utube vids
What's the matter? Are you Jewish and you don't act or think that way?
I know Muslims who don't think and act the same as alot of those I see on the news
I know Christians who don't need to get bit by a snake to prove Jesus loves them
Ya,it's a big ol world
Orignal Earl
Diamond Member
blackangst1
Lifer
Hatred and intolerance countered by hatred and intolerance? How unusual for open minded people eh?
I dont buy that. Everyone calls Islam a peaceful religion and blames acts of terror on the extremists. They are blaming extremists not moderate muslims.
Oh please please please do not say that european involvement is the reason for poverty and crappy literacy rates. I know you said "not fully at fault" but I really do not want to tackle this issue, its a whole new thread!
That is absolutely false. There are archeological records indicating Israeli/Judean tribes in the present area of Israel over thousands of years ago while there are no records of an arab tribe or state. Arabs might have lived near or around the Judean tribes however there is no evidence supporting a single arab-tribe/state ever residing where Israel currently is.
"I dont buy that. Everyone calls Islam a peaceful religion and blames acts of terror on the extremists. They are blaming extremists not moderate muslims."
I'm talking about all the "little" things that add up, people whispering nearby when they see someone who looks like they are of Arabic descent, the stares... the odd questions. Let alone what it's like getting public transportation or god forbid being anywhere near an airport. Also just generally how uncomfortable large sections of the population suddenly get talking about these issues when they realise someone in their proximity is a Muslim. This is one reason it gets seen as racism, because the effects of it are very similar to the way in which people get ignorantly treated for the colour of their skin due to deep rooted stereotypes. Many people have openly said things in front of me that amounts to basically saying all Muslims should just leave the country and are the cause of most problems. It's not even socially that akward to say around many circles, many people just nod in agreement which I've always found pretty disgusting.
"Oh please please please do not say that european involvement is the reason for poverty and crappy literacy rates."
"including but not entirely because of" I was just pointing out it was a part of it, it's certainly left a sour taste in the mouths of those that live there. Democracy is practically a dirty word to them thanks to our constant attempts at shoving it down their throats.
I'm not really even saying it's a majority reason just acknowledging it's part. As an English person I'm just trying to acknowledge the destabalising influence that empire building had on the region. I'm not suggesting it didn't have it's fair share of violence and hatred before we ever turned up 🙂.
Also bear in mind this is recent enough that plenty of people are still alive today to remember it. Which leads me to this last one.
"That is absolutely false. There are archeological records indicating Israeli/Judean tribes in the present area of Israel over thousands of years ago while there are no records of an arab tribe or state."
I'm not denying Israels right to exist you've misunderstood me.
"I really do not want to tackle this issue, its a whole new thread!"
Don't worry thats the last thing I want to do.
Again it's because of how recent these events are, Modern Israel is still very young and was pretty much forced onto the region. This is not Israels fault and isn't the fault of any single country in my opinion. *Though mine is widely regarded as being more to blame than most I guess 🙂*.
The question of whether it was right or wrong to do this wasn't my point, neither was the legitmacy of Israel. I just mean that comparing such a turbulent region of the world to the day to day life of co-existing with other UK Muslims is like the difference between night and day for the most part.
I'm talking about all the "little" things that add up, people whispering nearby when they see someone who looks like they are of Arabic descent, the stares... the odd questions. Let alone what it's like getting public transportation or god forbid being anywhere near an airport. Also just generally how uncomfortable large sections of the population suddenly get talking about these issues when they realise someone in their proximity is a Muslim. This is one reason it gets seen as racism, because the effects of it are very similar to the way in which people get ignorantly treated for the colour of their skin due to deep rooted stereotypes. Many people have openly said things in front of me that amounts to basically saying all Muslims should just leave the country and are the cause of most problems. It's not even socially that akward to say around many circles, many people just nod in agreement which I've always found pretty disgusting.
"Oh please please please do not say that european involvement is the reason for poverty and crappy literacy rates."
"including but not entirely because of" I was just pointing out it was a part of it, it's certainly left a sour taste in the mouths of those that live there. Democracy is practically a dirty word to them thanks to our constant attempts at shoving it down their throats.
I'm not really even saying it's a majority reason just acknowledging it's part. As an English person I'm just trying to acknowledge the destabalising influence that empire building had on the region. I'm not suggesting it didn't have it's fair share of violence and hatred before we ever turned up 🙂.
Also bear in mind this is recent enough that plenty of people are still alive today to remember it. Which leads me to this last one.
"That is absolutely false. There are archeological records indicating Israeli/Judean tribes in the present area of Israel over thousands of years ago while there are no records of an arab tribe or state."
I'm not denying Israels right to exist you've misunderstood me.
"I really do not want to tackle this issue, its a whole new thread!"
Don't worry thats the last thing I want to do.
Again it's because of how recent these events are, Modern Israel is still very young and was pretty much forced onto the region. This is not Israels fault and isn't the fault of any single country in my opinion. *Though mine is widely regarded as being more to blame than most I guess 🙂*.
The question of whether it was right or wrong to do this wasn't my point, neither was the legitmacy of Israel. I just mean that comparing such a turbulent region of the world to the day to day life of co-existing with other UK Muslims is like the difference between night and day for the most part.
imported_dna
Golden Member
Orignal Earl
Diamond Member
Speaking of schooling
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