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[Fritzo]

That's a joke that is a part of this thread... right? lol

No, it is not. German cars got a bad wrap 30+ years ago because Americans didn't have metric tools or know how to work on them. If you look at reliability ratings last year, you'll see 4 German manufacturers in the top 10, with lots of American cars rounding out the bottom:



As far as build quality goes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, and Mercedes build cars that feel like a solid unit. The build quality, the materials, the suspension, the brakes, the transmission...everything is balanced. They also tend to galvanize their bodies so they don't rust. This is why they're such good drivers and you tend to see 30 year old BMWs still on the road in good condition.

Japanese cars are great too, but they tend to feel sterile and "thin." I started buying BMWs 15 years ago and just bought my first Audi (A6 TDI for the wife). We sold our last Chrysler (2009 Grand Caravan) 3 years ago...2nd biggest POS we've ever owned (1st being a PT Cruiser).

It'll take a lot of convincing to get me back in an American car. The Cadillac CTS I had for a rental was a great contender as it handled close to the Audi, but the infotainment system was archadic and the reliability record stunk. Good performance though.

 

[BudAshes]

No, it is not. German cars got a bad wrap 30+ years ago because Americans didn't have metric tools or know how to work on them. If you look at reliability ratings last year, you'll see 4 German manufacturers in the top 10, with lots of American cars rounding out the bottom:
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As far as build quality goes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, and Mercedes build cars that feel like a solid unit. The build quality, the materials, the suspension, the brakes, the transmission...everything is balanced. They also tend to galvanize their bodies so they don't rust. This is why they're such good drivers and you tend to see 30 year old BMWs still on the road in good condition.

Japanese cars are great too, but they tend to feel sterile and "thin." I started buying BMWs 15 years ago and just bought my first Audi (A6 TDI for the wife). We sold our last Chrysler (2009 Grand Caravan) 3 years ago...2nd biggest POS we've ever owned (1st being a PT Cruiser).

It'll take a lot of convincing to get me back in an American car. The Cadillac CTS I had for a rental was a great contender as it handled close to the Audi, but the infotainment system was archadic and the reliability record stunk. Good performance though.

I didn't realize that people actually thought JD Power was a real thing. Might as well put up the flat earth brand rankings.

 

[shortylickens]

Mitsubishi and Suzuki used to be at the bottom of the list.
Excellent bikes.
Lousy cars.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I didn't realize that people actually thought JD Power was a real thing. Might as well put up the flat earth brand rankings.

This.

Whenever I hear car commercials with the likes "JD Power Award winner" I'm probably more likely to run away from a car heh.


Here is a reality check from actual computer data in regards to overall costs:

 

[highland145]

This.

Whenever I hear car commercials with the likes "JD Power Award winner" I'm probably more likely to run away from a car heh.


Here is a reality check from actual computer data in regards to overall costs:

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3 Toyos in my drive. 😛

 

[Fritzo]

I didn't realize that people actually thought JD Power was a real thing. Might as well put up the flat earth brand rankings.

Oh, is this the part of Internet arguments where no matter what evidence is presented there's always a problem with the source? 🙄

 

[Fritzo]

This.

Whenever I hear car commercials with the likes "JD Power Award winner" I'm probably more likely to run away from a car heh.


Here is a reality check from actual computer data in regards to overall costs:

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I've never spent anywhere near that much on any car...not even Chryslers.

 

[KMFJD]

 

[Captante]

Oh, is this the part of Internet arguments where no matter what evidence is presented there's always a problem with the source? 🙄

I prefer to get my reliability stats from Consumer Reports ... just a tad more objective.

😉


And it's an issue for me because I have plenty of personal driving/owning experience with German/European cars vs Japanese cars in particular.

I love BMW and Porsche plus will always have a place in my heart for Volvo (Swedish I know) and for solid high-speed handling you can't beat a high-end German car.

Having said that, in terms of lasting forever WITHOUT requiring constant (and potentially VERY expensive) upkeep and adjustment its not even close Japanese cars and Toyota in particular are nearly bullet-proof.

 

[MtnMan]

I prefer to get my reliability stats from Consumer Reports ... just a tad more objective.

😉


And it's an issue for me because I have plenty of personal driving/owning experience with German/European cars vs Japanese cars in particular.

I love BMW and Porsche plus will always have a place in my heart for Volvo (Swedish I know) and for solid high-speed handling you can't beat a high-end German car.

Having said that, in terms of lasting forever WITHOUT requiring constant (and potentially VERY expensive) upkeep and adjustment its not even close Japanese cars and Toyota in particular are nearly bullet-proof.

You are driving in a fairly dark area, few to no street lights, at night. You notice that the vehicle ahead of you has some light on the rear that don't work. Odds are that it is a Volvo. If not a Volvo, likely a BMW, with the rest of the European makes following. I own a older VW. Love the diesel engine, but electrical (lights) is a bitch.

 

[Captante]

You are driving in a fairly dark area, few to no street lights, at night. You notice that the vehicle ahead of you has some light on the rear that don't work. Odds are that it is a Volvo. If not a Volvo, likely a BMW, with the rest of the European makes following. I own a older VW. Love the diesel engine, but electrical (lights) is a bitch.

Also the return-spring on the brake pedal on all the 200 series Volvo's used to fail and make the brake lights stay constantly lit and the rear-wiper on the wagons might as well have shipped dead from the factory.

The hood-latch on my old Volvo 850 Turbo broke due to literally retarded "over-thinking" design flaws and required removal of the grill to get to the engine. (this was a common issue)


When I bought my last car it came down to a Mini or a Honda Fit. I really wanted the Mini (built by BMW) but went with the Fit (which surprisingly Is one of the best cars I've owned) because there are SINGLE PARTS in the Mini that potentially can cost more then the entire car is worth.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I prefer to get my reliability stats from Consumer Reports ... just a tad more objective.

😉


And it's an issue for me because I have plenty of personal driving/owning experience with German/European cars vs Japanese cars in particular.

I love BMW and Porsche plus will always have a place in my heart for Volvo (Swedish I know) and for solid high-speed handling you can't beat a high-end German car.

Having said that, in terms of lasting forever WITHOUT requiring constant (and potentially VERY expensive) upkeep and adjustment its not even close Japanese cars and Toyota in particular are nearly bullet-proof.

Personal experience here as well.

Wife loved her Mini Cooper. Had tons of random problems like the window motor breaking on a fuckin 6 year old car. That is pure laughable that stems from shit parts.

Next was a BMW i3. We don't even want to hold on to it long enough to know how bad it's depreciating, but we can already see the battery life has deteriorated like crazy over the course of 2 years.


From now on it is straight japenese only. Not because I give a shit about cars... But because I don't want to pay for massive depreciation.

 

[destrekor]

rick moranis finally made his comeback special.

its 42 seconds long.

and he appears in 30 of those seconds.

You might not have heard, but he is also staging a true full comeback. There's a new movie in the works, "Shrunk."

 

[Captante]

Personal experience here as well.

Wife loved her Mini Cooper. Had tons of random problems like the window motor breaking on a fuckin 6 year old car. That is pure laughable that stems from shit parts.

Next was a BMW i3. We don't even want to hold on to it long enough to know how bad it's depreciating, but we can already see the battery life has deteriorated like crazy over the course of 2 years.


From now on it is straight japenese only. Not because I give a shit about cars... But because I don't want to pay for massive depreciation.

My exact experience with the last 3 European cars (and 1 of the last 2 domestic) I've owned in that things broke that just shouldn't ever break.

Problem is after awhile driving something like a Camry (which admittedly has all the personality of a kitchen appliance) or a Civic you just assume that everything will always work.

Bottom line there's a reason used Toyota's with 100k miles fly off the lot as fast as they arrive there. That resale value is high for a reason.

 

[Cyco]

Enough of the shitty and boring car debates and trying to prove whose dick is bigger, where's the funny pictures?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Enough of the shitty and boring car debates and trying to prove whose dick is bigger, where's the funny pictures?

I sent my amazing burrito. You didn't like it?

 

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[Spacehead]

Don't worry, help is on the way!

 

[Spacehead]

 

[Spacehead]

Meatbird!!! 😀

 

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[Spacehead]