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kage69

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.....Just like Marco Polo: there is no actual record of a human, Marco Polo, existing. There is a Polo family, but no Marco. The travels of Marco Polo is simply the most popular version of the most popular genre of the time--far travelogues "written and narrated" by purposefully non-existent characters. All of these books were known to be unauthored at the time when they were being read by everyone that could read.

For some reason, Marco Polo became real over the years. You won't find any record of his existence at the time that he was supposed to be alive. Importantly: there is absolutely no record in the extensive, meticulous records of the Qing Dynasty (forget if that was the dynasty at the time), when he was supposed to have visited their court. His is the huge glaring hole in their vast records of all the other events that they recorded, at the same time. It makes zero sense for the Dynasty at the time to have "forgotten" about such an influential visitor. Less evidence than Jesus! (just like this genital stimulation thing) :D


So false it hurts dude. Kills me to disagree so adamantly cuz you my homie, but... sources? Help me understand.

I've long heard a lot of disagreement on the breadth of his travels, but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone submit he was a complete figment, a myth. Far as I know Mongol sources confirmed he was there, was used as a diplomat by both Mongol Shangdu and Rome. Omission by the Ming doesn't "make no sense," it was the attitude they had with Westerners sometimes, they were the superior culture remember? We rule everything under heaven!

Hans Ulrich Vogel, a Sinologist from University of Tübingen addressed this:

"However, this argument overestimates the frequency of documentation and the intentions of Chinese historiographers. Even Giovanni de Marignolli (1290-1357), an important papal envoy at the court of the Yuan rulers, is not mentioned in any Chinese sources -- nor his 32-man retinue, nor the name of the pope. Only the "heavenly horse" sent as tribute from the "Kingdom of Franks" in 1342 gets a mention."

Marco Polo's writings are supported by an overwhelming number of verified accounts about China containing unique information given over centuries. His details on money exchange, salt production and trade monopolies are a matter of fact, and he couldn't have been correct about those had he not been to China.

Unlike the Ming, those in the Vatican actually are meticulous at keeping records. The money he paid out to the Church, legal papers, his last will and testament, these are all records in the Library of Saint Mark. If he never existed, then who is in his grave at San Lorenzo in Venice? His parents and children are known and don't seem to be a point of contention. If there were other travelers doing the same thing, can you direct me to a single one with the accuracy of Marco Polo's findings? Anyone else detail how the Chinese made paper money from the mulberry tree? His details on salt alone put him in his own category. His book was not a biography, it was a kind of didactic vernacular record, a different thing in the 14th and 15th centuries.

I bet christians wish they had these kind of details to bring up, though I'd like to point out researchers like Henry Charles Lea keeping a bit of skepticism. Had no issue calling out creative license where he saw it. The recounting of the siege of Xiangfan and the Polos involvement for instance, which he called "dubious."
 
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So false it hurts dude. Kills me to disagree so adamantly cuz you my homie, but... sources? Help me understand.

I've long heard a lot of disagreement on the breadth of his travels, but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone submit he was a complete figment, a myth. Far as I know Chinese sources confirmed he was there, was used as a diplomat by both Mongol Shangdu and Rome. Omission by the Ming doesn't "make no sense," it was the attitude they had with Westerners sometimes, they were the superior culture remember?

Hans Ulrich Vogel, a Sinologist from University of Tübingen addressed this:

"However, this argument overestimates the frequency of documentation and the intentions of Chinese historiographers. Even Giovanni de Marignolli (1290-1357), an important papal envoy at the court of the Yuan rulers, is not mentioned in any Chinese sources -- nor his 32-man retinue, nor the name of the pope. Only the "heavenly horse" sent as tribute from the "Kingdom of Franks" in 1342 gets a mention."

Marco Polo's writings are supported by an overwhelming number of verified accounts about China containing unique information given over centuries. His details on money exchange, salt production and trade monopolies is a matter of fact, he couldn't have been correct about those had he not been to China.

Unlike the Ming, those in the Vatican actually are meticulous at keeping records. The money he paid out to the Church, his last will and testament, these are records in the Library of Saint Mark. If he never existed, then who is in his grave at San Lorenzo in Venice? If there were other travelers doing the same thing, can you direct me to a single one with the accuracy of Marco Polo's findings? Anyone else detail how the Chinese made paper money from the mulberry tree? His details on salt alone put him in his own category.

I bet christians wish they had these kind of details to bring up
Yeah but like, that's just your opinion man.
 

kage69

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Grabbed my attention, probably because kids are about to watch Beetlejuice for the first time

They loved Ghostbusters, were joking about it afterwards. Several "dattsa my boys" moments were had.
 
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kage69

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WOW. They released the front cam footage of this attempted heist. Driver is a certified badass.


Awesome, thank you! This take really magnifies how skilled Leo was, wow.
I wonder if he's going to use this footage in his classes. He's crazy famous now, I just hope it doesn't up his risk at home.
 
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WOW. They released the front cam footage of this attempted heist. Driver is a certified badass.


How is the driver a badass? I so don't get whats occurring here, obviously they are getting shot at, but what awesome maneuver did he do to save his ass? And they got out their weapons but didn't fire back at all?
 

kage69

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How is the driver a badass? I so don't get whats occurring here, obviously they are getting shot at, but what awesome maneuver did he do to save his ass? And they got out their weapons but didn't fire back at all?

I've noticed this, often.

Coolness under fire is a commendable trait, being able to navigate out of an ambush through busy traffic like that is a skill many spend a lot of time attempting to master. When bullets start flying, most people panic and end up denying themselves their greatest asset at that time, mobility. Leo there kept it, and without plowing other cars off the road or running any pedestrians over. The proficient use of skills under extreme duress can be summed up as badass, yes.

Retreat is a common response to being outgunned. To people packing pistols, facing the superior range, accuracy, power and capacity of an M4 means you might just be fucked.
 
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That was also not the complete version, they have yet to release the full dashcam footage.