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MotF Bane

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Right, but it was generally something that could be solved through repeated insertions and removals alone. The act of removing it and blowing it before reinserting was rarely more effective than removing it and reinserting it without blowing and almost impossible to verify.

Are we still talking about video games here? :awe:
 

Newbian

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fail. n64 didn't need it... nes did.

Guess you never played that much n64 then but many did as it was a recurring thing with nintendo that everyone did and was part of the nintendo experiance and something that will be missed. :p

Remember doing it a lot more often on snes games then the other two though.
 
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CZroe

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fail. n64 didn't need it... nes did.
Guess you never played that much n64 then but many did as it was a recurring thing with nintendo that everyone did and was part of the nintendo experiance and something that will be missed. :p

Remember doing it a lot more often on snes games then the other two though.
Once again, it didn't "need" it. Yes, it did not always work (black screen or lock-up) and, yes, if you removed and reinserted it to make it work you might as well blow in it, but it did not *need* blowing and, thus, people only blew out of habit. The only reason blowing did anything on the NES beyond actual dust displacement was because the condensation helped make an electrical connection... and that's coming from someone who called it "dust interruption" multiple times a day (I didn't understand the pin problem back then). Rubbing alcohol worked a million times better and, just like the moisture from your breath evaporating, it would often return mid-game due to the contacts drying. FWIW, the blinking was a bad connection on the lockout chip lines, which could be disabled. The corrupted graphics were on the address lines and it could often be played anyway as long as the lock-out chip was disabled or connected.

Now, I played a heck of a lot of N64. I saved every dime from the moment "Project Reality" was announced and bought it on launch day. I still host 3-player Mario Kart 64 battle mode competitions about twice a month (4-player is too slow).
 
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Ichinisan

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Guess you never played that much n64 then but many did as it was a recurring thing with nintendo that everyone did and was part of the nintendo experiance and something that will be missed. :p

Remember doing it a lot more often on snes games then the other two though.

Absolutely not. Blowing helped with NES games because of the way the cartridge connector was designed, which was very different from Super NES and N64. A bad connector in a Super NES would cause the game to freeze by slightly touching the cartridge, or you'd have trouble starting the game at all and you'd have to remove/re-insert the game multiple times. If blowing seemed to help for Super NES, that's a false perception. It was the removing/re-inserting that did it.

Likewise, dirty contacts on N64 could occasionally prevent a game from starting. Unless you had serious issues, this was rare with N64. Blowing wouldn't do any good, but removing and re-inserting the game pak would help. The cart connector in the N64 isn't known to wear out often (unlike the SNES and NES before it).
 

alkemyst

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fuck you all, the hardcore gamers peed on them.

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CZroe

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http://www.vgchartz.com/hardware_totals.php

N64 26.63 million units sold in USA
NES 34.00 million units sold in USA

Which one was more popular? :colbert:

LOL! I totally didn't catch where he said that. Perfect "age test" right there! Thinking the N64, their LEAST popular console at that point, was more popular than the NES that ran rampant through the market with no competitor in sight? INSANE. I literally had no idea the Sega Master System even existed nor did my friends.
 

CZroe

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I must say, I'm glad that I don't know who Rebecca Black is.
You are glad you missed out on the LULZ? She's only Googled so much because it was terribad and hillarifail and no one knew who she was.
 

Newbian

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Once again, it didn't "need" it. Yes, it did not always work (black screen or lock-up) and, yes, if you removed and reinserted it to make it work you might as well blow in it, but it did not *need* blowing and, thus, people only blew out of habit. The only reason blowing did anything on the NES beyond actual dust displacement was because the condensation helped make an electrical connection... and that's coming from someone who called it "dust interruption" multiple times a day (I didn't understand the pin problem back then). Rubbing alcohol worked a million times better and, just like the moisture from your breath evaporating, it would often return mid-game due to the contacts drying. FWIW, the blinking was a bad connection on the lockout chip lines, which could be disabled. The corrupted graphics were on the address lines and it could often be played anyway as long as the lock-out chip was disabled or connected.

Now, I played a heck of a lot of N64. I saved every dime from the moment "Project Reality" was announced and bought it on launch day. I still host 3-player Mario Kart 64 battle mode competitions about twice a month (4-player is too slow).

Again it was the tradition that was around with the cartridges that the nes started and it continued with snes and n64 so the image works because of that alone so refer to said image. :p

Plus the image of showing the nes would not work as I said compared to the n64 ones because of how plain the nes cartridge was.
 

Newbian

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Now, I played a heck of a lot of N64. I saved every dime from the moment "Project Reality" was announced and bought it on launch day. I still host 3-player Mario Kart 64 battle mode competitions about twice a month (4-player is too slow).

Ever find a solution for the joystick the control n64 used?

They tended to die so fast playing that game for a decent time and get so loose?
 
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Again it was the tradition that was around with the cartridges that the nes started and it continued with snes and n64 so the image works because of that alone so refer to said image. :p

Plus the image of showing the nes would not work as I said compared to the n64 ones because of how plain the nes cartridge was.

Again, blowing the cartridge was most well known for the NES. I don't recall ever blowing N64 games. You're arguments are just baffling. It makes no sense to cite a later version that is less applicable over a widely known and established one that predated it by a decade. The N64 cartridge is not any more iconic than the NES one.

I take it you grew up with the N64 and so to you its "Nintendo"?

That image just highlights how stupid the competing sites on the internet have become. 9gag is definitely one of the worst, it seems to be the junior high version of Reddit based on what I've seen of content "sourced" from there.
 

Newbian

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Again, blowing the cartridge was most well known for the NES. I don't recall ever blowing N64 games. You're arguments are just baffling. It makes no sense to cite a later version that is less applicable over a widely known and established one that predated it by a decade. The N64 cartridge is not any more iconic than the NES one.

I take it you grew up with the N64 and so to you its "Nintendo"?

That image just highlights how stupid the competing sites on the internet have become. 9gag is definitely one of the worst, it seems to be the junior high version of Reddit based on what I've seen of content "sourced" from there.

The appearance of the nes cartridge in that layout / color would not had worked because of how plain and square it is other then the small bottom area and I probably grew up more on the snes compared to the other two but mainly because I didn't get it until a year or two before the snes was out and the kids at school were not old enough really to get into the games until the snes.
 
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The appearance of the nes cartridge in that layout / color would not had worked because of how plain and square it is other then the small bottom area and I probably grew up more on the snes compared to the other two but mainly because I didn't get it until a year or two before the snes was out and the kids at school were not old enough really to get into the games until the snes.

The N64 cartridge is every bit as plain as the NES one is. Hell the N64 cartridge can be mistaken for a toaster.

nes_cartridge_blow_me.png


That is immediately recognizable as a NES cartridge and more people would make the connection about blowing than the N64 one.
 

CZroe

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Ever find a solution for the joystick the control n64 used?

They tended to die so fast playing that game for a decent time and get so loose?

The problem is that a nub on the bottom wears down and the resulting particles also grind away at the bowl-like plastic piece it rests against. The vertical slack causes the whole shaft to sit lower and the swinging interrupter pieces it moves no longer rest against the tabs on the shaft that are meant to hold them. This means that they don't move until the central shaft hits them. Take any slack control stick and lift it up and you will see the difference.

Without some kind of replacement metal parts, the fix is to never press down on a good control stick! If it starts to feel even a little less than perfectly smooth, take it apart, clean it out, and lubricate it before it starts grinding away. Educate your friends and DO NOT let them play Mario Party!
 

momeNt

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I'll rephrase:

One of those two machines is an Apple Macintosh, the other is not.

One is also black, the other is silver.

Why are people paying over $6,000 extra for a silver computer?


Am I doing this right Hal?
 

HAL9000

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One is also black, the other is silver.

Why are people paying over $6,000 extra for a silver computer?


Am I doing this right Hal?

Believe it or not it's not for the silver, it's because of these things:

1) The Mac has hardware in it the PC does not, Apple motherboard etc.
2) The Mac can run OSX, the PC cannot (not properly)
3) The Mac has been upgraded using expensive apple branded RAM etc, which IRL people shouldn't bother doing, the PC is a custom build using better value parts.
4) Apple RAID Cards are retardedly expensive, it's about $700
5) the 5870 is designed to run with an EFI, again making it more expensive.
6) The monitors used are not comparable, just because they are the same size, it's like saying a ford fiesta and an Aston Martin are comparable because they have the same number of doors.
7) What Xeon processors? You can get Xeon Processors for £10 or £2,000 depending on which ones.
8) Apple cases cost more.

I think that covers everything but I summed it all up with this statement:

Ones a Mac.

OH! And except for the RAID card my Mac Pro has all of that and cost me.... £2,500 or so ;)
 
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Juddog

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Believe it or not it's not for the silver, it's because of these things:

1) The Mac has hardware in it the PC does not, Apple motherboard etc.
2) The Mac can run OSX, the PC cannot (not properly)
3) The Mac has been upgraded using expensive apple branded RAM etc, which IRL people shouldn't bother doing, the PC is a custom build using better value parts.
4) Apple RAID Cards are retardedly expensive, it's about $700
5) the 5870 is designed to run with an EFI, again making it more expensive.
6) The monitors used are not comparable, just because they are the same size, it's like saying a ford fiesta and an Aston Martin are comparable because they have the same number of doors.
7) What Xeon processors? You can get Xeon Processors for £10 or £2,000 depending on which ones.
8) Apple cases cost more.

I think that covers everything but I summed it all up with this statement:

Ones a Mac.

OH! And except for the RAID card my Mac Pro has all of that and cost me.... £2,500 or so ;)

Thank you for the summation Captain Obvious. I never would have guessed that one was a Mac from the picture which had one side labeled as "Mac". Where would this forum be without you?
 

HAL9000

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Thank you for the summation Captain Obvious. I never would have guessed that one was a Mac from the picture which had one side labeled as "Mac". Where would this forum be without you?

You wouldn't want to know, I alone am keeping it afloat. He asked... I answered.