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ch33zw1z

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I was looking at the comments, and came across this...

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They're assimilating.
 

destrekor

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The mini T-Rex that walks among us will soon enjoy the raptorial delight that is feasting upon us. It is only a matter of time.
 

Ichinisan

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I don't remember the exact circumstances but wasn't Irwin also tempting fate? I think in both cases people get lulled into a false sense of confidence. They think that just because they've managed to beat the odds x number of times before, that inevitably means they'll beat them the next time too. Well surrrr-prrrrisssseee. Fate also plays the odds.
He wasn’t actually tempting fate when he died. What happened to him was a freak occurrence.
 

rh71

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I like how the guy is holding onto her ready to grab her in case that very thing happens.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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You'd think the army would teach a recruit to throw BEFORE it gave her the real thing
You'll note that she started about 6'' away from the sandbags she actually had to throw over, and still managed to not throw it over the sandbags. Most reasonable trainers wouldn't have expected that to happen (though they were clearly still prepared).

I like how she seemed totally confused as to why she was being flung around.

Also homeboy who didn't jump behind the sandbag probably should have been a bit lower, that head was itching for a rock/shrapnel to catch it.
 

rh71

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They could've also just jumped over the barrier instead of running away if we're talking about preparedness. But I guess she would be too short to make it. ;)

OR they could've just stood right AT the barrier to ensure it gets tossed over.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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OR they could've just stood right AT the barrier to ensure it gets tossed over.
Watch that GIF again. They *are* standing at the barrier. It boggles the mind how that even managed to happen, she must have just flipped it off the backside of her hand or something.
 

rh71

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^ I mean literally AT the barrier where she can't even step forward to throw it. She had room to step forward which apparently is still too far away for her to toss over.

The reason it happened is her release point was too late. You see toddlers do that too. Except it's more complicated for her having to hold the trigger/lever too. It's probably why most people throw grenades from a side angle.
 
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IronWing

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I guess the protocol has changed. When my sister was in Basic, everyone practiced together with dummy grenades but when it came time for live grenades, they put each soldier off on their ownsome, out of throwing distance of anyone or anything else.
 
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deustroop

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They can practice with a baseball or a tennis ball, but they won't be nervous with those.

Shit, the way she was tossed around and into the bagged pit ? That instructor may initially have jumped to protect her but then broken her neck by accident . We'll never kno.
 

destrekor

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Shit, the way she was tossed around and into the bagged pit ? That instructor may initially have jumped to protect her but then broken her neck by accident . We'll never kno.

Broken neck is better than dead or worse, being a vegetable. If that DID happen, she might disagree and wish it was death, but the military will never accept that concept - save all the lives unless it is physically impossible. And still they might try anyway, depends on the individual.

This unfortunately happens more often than it should. People get scared and suddenly forget how to toss what could be death for everyone around, all neatly tucked inside a 14oz spherical device. And what the instructors (often drill sergeants) did there is exactly what they have always done: grab the person and get them and you to safety within the span of the 4 second fuses, 1 of which is likely already consumed just recognizing what has happened, starting your body in motion, and then grabbing the person/people nearby and diving toward safety. So you really are looking at 3 seconds, and better make it 2 just to be safe.

It won't feel good being manhandled like that, I'm sure there's going to be some nasty bruises and a broken bone is possible depending on how you land. But, like I said, most people would rather that than death.
 
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destrekor

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They can practice with a baseball or a tennis ball, but they won't be nervous with those.

No, that would be stupid. They don't weigh nearly the same. You physically cannot lob a 14oz frag grenade as you would a baseball, not unless you really want to risk tearing your shoulder tendons. ;)

They have practice grenades for a reason. Same size and weight, it just doesn't have the explosive composition, rather it only has a training fuse that produces a puff of smoke (and a bang). That certainly wasn't what was used in that example though, that was the real deal.
 
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ImpulsE69

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You'd think the army would teach a recruit to throw BEFORE it gave her the real thing

They do, but some people you just can't teach, but having said that and actually as someone who's been through that class at 17, you are nervous AF leading up to that moment. Not because of the grenades but because the drill sergeants scream the piss out of you and tell you everything they are going to do to you if you do what she just did. They are putting their lives at risk over and over during these classes and this happens more than one would probably like.The grenades are way heavier than you think. They are not the little green 'frag' grenades from movies. Once you get over the nervousness though it is quite fun if you like to make things go boom.

Also, there is a reason they are right there ready to grab her. It is partly if you were to do what she did, but it is also because after you throw it, your tendency is to stand there and watch it. They are there to get you to duck behind the barricade. They damn near tackled me because i was standing there watching for the boom.
 

ccryder

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They do, but some people you just can't teach, but having said that and actually as someone who's been through that class at 17, you are nervous AF leading up to that moment. Not because of the grenades but because the drill sergeants scream the piss out of you and tell you everything they are going to do to you if you do what she just did. They are putting their lives at risk over and over during these classes and this happens more than one would probably like.The grenades are way heavier than you think. They are not the little green 'frag' grenades from movies. Once you get over the nervousness though it is quite fun if you like to make things go boom.

Also, there is a reason they are right there ready to grab her. It is partly if you were to do what she did, but it is also because after you throw it, your tendency is to stand there and watch it. They are there to get you to duck behind the barricade. They damn near tackled me because i was standing there watching for the boom.

I second this. It is much heavier than you expect, and I didn't think I could throw it far enough.
 

disappoint

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No, that would be stupid. They don't weigh nearly the same. You physically cannot lob a 14oz frag grenade as you would a baseball, not unless you really want to risk tearing your shoulder tendons. ;)

They have practice grenades for a reason. Same size and weight, it just doesn't have the explosive composition, rather it only has a training fuse that produces a puff of smoke (and a bang). That certainly wasn't what was used in that example though, that was the real deal.

You make a good point that they don't weigh the same. My point was even a dud grenade that weighs exactly the same does not carry the same risk of explosion so at some point in the training live grenades are essential to overcome fear and prepare them for the battlefield.
 
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