Dr. Zaus
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Ok, yea, I back-traced the internets, he's a redditer named EglesWorth
http://aa-bw.reddit.com/user/eglesworth
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Ok, yea, I back-traced the internets, he's a redditer named EglesWorth
http://aa-bw.reddit.com/user/eglesworth
eits
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More taping:
Comes from this article about it being (yet another) scam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...esio-tape-Researchers-say-evidence-works.html
lol
scam? first off, the application on the athletes in that picture are ridiculous. that won't help them at all more than just a placebo effect, based on their bogus application. secondly, it does work. just because research on it is inconclusive doesn't mean that it doesn't work to facilitate or inhibit muscle firing, decrease pain, cause compression, or cause lymphatic drainage to improve healing.
in the world of research, there's proven, not proven, and proven not. you can't call something a scam unless it's been "proven not" and still utilized to make money.
Yet you're claiming that it works, without the same proof you're saying they have to have to claim it doesn't. :biggrin:
BudAshes
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His sig says he's a chiropractor, he's obviously an expert on crack pot medical exploitation.
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Excellent right. I am hoping the one who went down was a loudmouth punk who just opened his yap to the wrong kid. Sometimes you just need a beatin'...
Ruptga
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Actually there is no such thing as proof of a theory in science. There are only ever-growing mounds of evidence based on failed attempts to disconfirm a theory.
The underlying theory that compression, lymphatic drainage, and mussel-movement-limitation can at times help reduce pain/improve health has has not been disproven. Does this particular method attain salient results? That's a matter for scientists, though since it isn't regulated there's little reason for high quality studies: thus the reason there is "no evidence."
My trust levels go as follows:
Physical Therapists > orthopedic-doctors working for insurance companies > non-magical-thinking chiropractors > orthopedic doctors* > real ancient chinese medicine > self-diagnosis and treatment via wikipedia and web MD > shit you can buy in the supplements section of Walmart > an idea that came to me in a dream> magical-thinking chiropractors > first few responses to any thread in ATOT.
BTW, I had GURD and it was cured by ox-bile supplements I purchased at Walmart because of a thread on ATOT, so it's legit!
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Dr. Zaus
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I mean.. at lest people that adjust your chakras aren't actively suggesting that you do something that will lead to immediate death or dismemberment, upon the tenuous theoretical grounds of "it's the only way to be sure".
Now for a great way to get a brain infection while water boarding yourself!
I didn't realize this was a gore thread too.
Gore? I see no blood...
Just a bull making his point be known.
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I mean.. at lest people that adjust your chakras aren't actively suggesting that you do something that will lead to immediate death or dismemberment, upon the tenuous theoretical grounds of "it's the only way to be sure".
Now for a great way to get a brain infection while water boarding yourself!
You need to use saline when you're doing that. Those nettie pots usually come with salt packets to add to the water.
If you have allergies, those things are just short of a cure for nasal inflammation
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eits
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huh?
i'm saying that it helps muscles activate or relax as well as decrease pain and, also, promotes faster superficial tissue healing. i've seen it and felt it firsthand. i've even done it to myself when i got cleated in a soccer game and my leg swelled up and bruised up real bad because of it... the swelling and bruising was almost completely gone after three days and was no longer painful to touch. that's pretty significant.
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Actually there is no such thing as proof of a theory in science. There are only ever-growing mounds of evidence based on failed attempts to disconfirm a theory.
The underlying theory that compression, lymphatic drainage, and mussel-movement-limitation can at times help reduce pain/improve health has has not been disproven. Does this particular method attain salient results? That's a matter for scientists, though since it isn't regulated there's little reason for high quality studies: thus the reason there is "no evidence."
My trust levels go as follows:
Physical Therapists > orthopedic-doctors working for insurance companies > non-magical-thinking chiropractors > orthopedic doctors* > real ancient chinese medicine > self-diagnosis and treatment via wikipedia and web MD > shit you can buy in the supplements section of Walmart > an idea that came to me in a dream> magical-thinking chiropractors > first few responses to any thread in ATOT.
BTW, I had GURD and it was cured by ox-bile supplements I purchased at Walmart because of a thread on ATOT, so it's legit!
i guess that, magically, hematomas and bruises just reduce when the tape is applied to it. either that or it's the adhesive, right? the tape causes lift between the skin and fascia, allowing for a decrease in pressure in those areas, resulting in faster tissue healing. hell, you can see it for yourself in the picture where the fan cut was made over the guy's pec.
furthermore, the reason why kinesiotaping works to decrease pain is because it interferes with the gate control theory of pain, which is the widely accepted model of pain. does it fix the problem? no. but it decreases pain.
as for compression, when you use 75-100% tension on the elastic tape on an area, it will cause a compression on the tissue because the tape has been stretched beyond it's elastic capability. if you put this application over a supraspinatus impingement, you'll realize that it actually does work to compress the muscle and allow for a decrease in pain or pain-free range of motion, for example.
as for muscle facilitation or inhibition, that's based on the proprioceptive input being relayed to the brain about tension on the muscle. if the elastic tension of the tape on the skin is pulling toward the anchor (in other words, going from distal to proximal or going from insertion to origin), there is a tension that the skin causes on the subcutaneous fat as well as muscle fascia in the same direction and the brain allows for that muscle to relax. however, if the tape applied to a muscle proximally to distally, the opposite occurs. tensions causes a proprioceptive response to tell the brain that the muscle wants to contract from insertion to origin and, therefore, will allow for a bit of muscle facilitation.
it isn't designed to fix problems, but to be an adjuctive therapy. it's designed to help doctors/therapists help patients get better sooner when properly administered.
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