Jesus Christ as a conservative and Rupublican?

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Honestly, i'm not sure what you're arguing for... put your cards on the table, are you saying Jesus would have been a progressive liberal democrat?

I don't know what you mean by collectivist moral authoritaian agenda... which is why I didn't reply.

Ah hell no. Jesus wasn't a progressive liberal democrat. He was more like a political radical fighting non-violently for the rights of a conquered people. Like a Gandhi but cubed and squared. Lots of people talk the talk, but NO ONE has ever walked the walk like Jesus did.

A collectivist moral authoritarian agenda is for one group in a society to impose its moral code on every other group. I think that speaks for itself.

I'll re-iterate my position on the question. Asking what party Jesus would belong to is like asking what the color Green tastes like.

Jesus, was divine. He was God. You're right that nobody has ever done what he's done, because it's literally impossible for anyone to do so. To be one of Jesus' disciples means to obey his laws. The problem with Abortion is that it gives all people an OK to kill the unborn, innocent babies. Liberalism today is all about subverting God's laws and making their own.

Well, you're going to have to blame the Founding Fathers for that one, because it was their express intention.

The problem with "God's Laws" is that we all have differing beliefs about God and His laws. Because of that, what you're really supporting here is not God but theocracy and the rule of a single religion (like Catholicism in the middle ages), and because Jesus Himself was opposed to theocratic rule (he was executed for blasphemy, remember), my point stands.

BTW, please find me a single passage in the entire Bible which expressly prohibits abortion. I certainly don't believe it's something that Jesus would have approved of, but permitting sinners to sin of their own accord is not a sin in itself. Do you understand? You are not responsible for the souls others.
And no one on the pro-choice side is saying it's OK to kill the unborn. What they're saying is that it is not society's place to force that choice through the law.
It's odd that you can understand this concept when it comes to money, but when it's someone's else most personal possession, their own body, it all disappears for you. I won't call you psychotic, but you certainly display a marked lack of empathy. That was Jesus' commandment #2 BTW.

I about lost it when I read the bold...

Pro-choicers are nothing but deranged perverts who find it virtuous to give a woman the right, without reprecussion from the state, to murder an innocent life.

Where is your empathy for the unborn humans who are being slaughtered in the name of convenience? Your ilk is a bunch of sicko's... they're human beings and your saying it's OK to slaughter them at will.

If they could talk, how many do you think would be Ok with being aborted? Lack of empathy my ass, if you had any empathy at all or love of what is right you'd be as outraged against the sins of abortion as much as anyone. You don't give a crap, as long as your life is a little easier.

Which is why you dehumanized me here, right? With the "Your ilk is a bunch of sicko's... they're human beings and your saying it's OK to slaughter them at will," which I'm not and I've done nothing of the kind.

I'm morally opposed to abortion. I'm also morally opposed to forcing my own morals on others. There's an important distinction there that you are apparently in capable of understanding.
And I do give a crap. I want to help people make the right choices. Not wash my hands of them when they make the wrong ones.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: chess9

I drive by a major Baptist church in my area and it is filled with high dollar SUVs, Caddies, Lincolns, Beemers, Mercedes. Those people are living the life of a Christian, right?

I'm an agnostic for other reasons, but the lives of Christians would do nothing to convince me to convert. To the contrary.


-Robert

Being successful or "blessed" is not a badge of dishonor if things are earned. The bible is full of promise about good harvests and bounty as a result of good character and diligence. The idea people have to be poor to be good people makes no sense. Money was never mentioned as evil - the love of it was. There are quotes that suggest rich people can have a hard time growing because they have wealth that makes them comfortable and ego secure but the answer is to not misuse wealth - not to disown wealth. How could noble poor be helped if we all just bummed around pretending to be too good for commerce?

If there's a Heaven I'm pretty confident you won't be attending.

I'd guarantee it.

If Jesus were alive today, Butterbean would be at the front of the mob demanding His crucifixion. How dare he break bread with those sinners! How dare he say that love is more important than the law!

Originally posted by: Butterbean
John 15:18 - If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first.

Heh. Talk about quoting scripture out of context! That is yet another passage about the disavowal of worldly things, while you're sitting here praising exactly that!
John 15:19 - If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

Meh. I won't stand between you and your persecution complex. Some people talk the talk, others walk the walk. You just fantasize.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Why are liberals so obsessed with Jesus's supposed political ideology?


These threads are stupid...

Unless you missed what's been happening for a long time, it's the Repulicans who are obsessed with Jesus and his ideaology.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Vic, i know you hate me, and i have been less than nice to you before, and for that I apologize. But you're completely wrong about my post here.

Why would you think that the stuff I posted was the only thing Jesus cared about? Why even bring this up? i don't have a time to go through every issue that's prevalent in our lives, i only mentioned a few...

From this though, you drew the conclusion that i've never read the Bible... believe what you want.

Jesus fed a crowd of thousands on more than one occasion because he had compassion on them. He didn't feed them for their entire lives through miracles performed before them, right? The left-wing welfare state makes prisoners of minorities like Blacks and soon Hispanics if they get their way. Jesus spoke a message to individuals. Think about it.

I'm a hypocrit? In what way were you referring to?

I'm sorry, have you bothered to read Matthew 6 yet, or are you still obsessed on your notion that Jesus would have cared more about abortion and gay marriage than the plight of the poor?

Of course, Jesus spoke a message to individuals. My gripe with your ilk is that only you only pretend to support individualism while clearly working towards a collective moral authoritarian agenda.
Oh boy, you'll let me keep what little is left of my money after you fight your unnecessary wars and allow the wealthy elite to bilk us, but you'll be throwing that gay and that adulterer in jail. Ooh, feel the phony freedom!
And on that subject, while you're at it, look up John 8.

Why don't you just read the whole thing instead of picking out some passages that fit your agenda and ignore those that don't?

I've read the Bible cover to cover in both the KJV and NIV translations. I can quote chapter and verse in the Gospels from memory.

I'm not trying to fit any agenda here, you were. Jesus never once spoke of abortion or homosexuality (he was strongly opposed to adultery though, but at the same time said that he without sin should cast the first stone), or illegal immigration, and his economic ideology was decidedly socialist (for lack of a better word). Sure, he taught people to fish rather than just fed them fish (although he did do that too), but at the same time he was extremely critical of money, hoarding wealth, and allowing the poor to suffer.

BTW, I just called you out for espousing a collectivist moral authoritarian agenda under the guise of being some kind of individualist or libertarian, and you ignored that.

Ah yes, mostly true but definately not a call for the gov't to force these sorts of things on the masses. The teachings of Christ are about individual choices to do good/right things. Some where along the line you seemed to miss that part of his teachings.


But again, these topics are stupid because it's trying to pigeon hole Christ into one ideology or another and it just doesn't work that way. The ironic part is that it's usually the libs trying to suggest Jesus would be a Lib when most of the time they spend their effort demonizing anyone who is a believer. Meh... do what you must...

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Jesus was a Jew, he just rejected the idea of Tyranny within the old testament. It's very safe to say that Jesus himself was very conservative, but no worry's he's most definitely not going to bother you. Why, because Jesus was most definitely a Libertarian.

Tell that to your Republican friends, see if they have an argument.

I can't figure out what you're trying to say here. Your first 2 sentences are a contradiction, and conservative != libertarian.

No the 1st 2 sentences are not contradictions, they are the truth. As far as a conservative being a libertarian sure, a liberal could also be a libertarian, but it would be a lot harder.

How can one be opposed to the reigning status quo and a conservative at the same time?

Figure that one out, and you'll realize why your premise is wrong here.

Quite easily? If the status quo isn't conservative. A conservative will use conservative, reasoned methods for change. If conservativism doesn't exist, one must make it so, using conservative methods. How can you say Jesus was liberal in his actions?

Conservatives don't seek change except to go back to the past. Conservatism doesn't mean to act conservatively, but to conserve the status quo.

The root word of the political philosophy of liberalism is LIBERTY. Liberalism does not mean to act liberally (whatever that would mean).

I have found that most of the confusion on this topic on the internet stems from misuse of terms. Today's American liberals are actually liberal progressives. While today's American conservatives are actually liberal conservatives. Technically speaking, both groups embrace the liberal philosophies of free market economies, sweeping individual liberties, government limited by the rule of law, separation of church and state, etc.

That's what makes these discussions so silly. Liberal philosophy, progressive or conservative, didn't exist in Jesus' day. Social conditions, particularly the nature of religion in people's lives, was so completely different that to make comparisons to modern philosophies just doesn't work. Here's an example, a lawyer in Jesus' time (the word appears several times in the Gospels), was actually a religious scholar, probably a Pharisee (which today are called rabbis, a word which means teacher). These religious leaders were also the political leaders, except for the conquering Roman authorities who ruled over all. The Law of Moses, all 613 commandments of it, literally was the law of the land, just as much if not more so than we hold our Constitution and Bill of Rights today.
So you better believe that when Jesus, a rabbi Himself, said that there were only 2 commandments, that was not exactly a strict following of the law on His part and according to contemporary beliefs, now was it?

Matthew 6:19-34
19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light.
23 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
25 "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?
26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
27 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
28 "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin.
29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.
30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

How come the Christian right so clearly ignores biblical passages like this one, yet justifies their anti-gay agenda based on other passages in the bible? Am I missing something here, or is Christianity actually a wink and nod sort of religion where followers get to pick and choose which portions of the literal word of God they have to obey?

 

[Arkaign]

Vic pwns n00bs again! 10/10.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
But again, these topics are stupid because it's trying to pigeon hole Christ into one ideology or another and it just doesn't work that way. The ironic part is that it's usually the libs trying to suggest Jesus would be a Lib when most of the time they spend their effort demonizing anyone who is a believer. Meh... do what you must...

You have a funny, perhaps really a defensive, way of looking at things. May be Libs suggest Christ was a Lib because He is, and the reason they criticize Christians is because they aren't. Just saying

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Butterbean


The Coming Obama Thugocracy
Attempts to shut down political speech have become routine for liberals


http://article.nationalreview....FmZTIyZWUwZWNkYjk4ZGM=

The national review? Yes, that will be a reliable and impartial source for me to consider in the future. I will visit there as often as MoveOn.org, which is to say, once.

And I am with those that think this thread is silly.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Honestly, i'm not sure what you're arguing for... put your cards on the table, are you saying Jesus would have been a progressive liberal democrat?

I don't know what you mean by collectivist moral authoritaian agenda... which is why I didn't reply.

Ah hell no. Jesus wasn't a progressive liberal democrat. He was more like a political radical fighting non-violently for the rights of a conquered people. Like a Gandhi but cubed and squared. Lots of people talk the talk, but NO ONE has ever walked the walk like Jesus did.

A collectivist moral authoritarian agenda is for one group in a society to impose its moral code on every other group. I think that speaks for itself.

I'll re-iterate my position on the question. Asking what party Jesus would belong to is like asking what the color Green tastes like.

Jesus, was divine. He was God. You're right that nobody has ever done what he's done, because it's literally impossible for anyone to do so. To be one of Jesus' disciples means to obey his laws. The problem with Abortion is that it gives all people an OK to kill the unborn, innocent babies. Liberalism today is all about subverting God's laws and making their own.

Well, you're going to have to blame the Founding Fathers for that one, because it was their express intention.

The problem with "God's Laws" is that we all have differing beliefs about God and His laws. Because of that, what you're really supporting here is not God but theocracy and the rule of a single religion (like Catholicism in the middle ages), and because Jesus Himself was opposed to theocratic rule (he was executed for blasphemy, remember), my point stands.

BTW, please find me a single passage in the entire Bible which expressly prohibits abortion. I certainly don't believe it's something that Jesus would have approved of, but permitting sinners to sin of their own accord is not a sin in itself. Do you understand? You are not responsible for the souls others.
And no one on the pro-choice side is saying it's OK to kill the unborn. What they're saying is that it is not society's place to force that choice through the law.
It's odd that you can understand this concept when it comes to money, but when it's someone's else most personal possession, their own body, it all disappears for you. I won't call you psychotic, but you certainly display a marked lack of empathy. That was Jesus' commandment #2 BTW.

I about lost it when I read the bold...

Pro-choicers are nothing but deranged perverts who find it virtuous to give a woman the right, without reprecussion from the state, to murder an innocent life.

Where is your empathy for the unborn humans who are being slaughtered in the name of convenience? Your ilk is a bunch of sicko's... they're human beings and your saying it's OK to slaughter them at will.

If they could talk, how many do you think would be Ok with being aborted? Lack of empathy my ass, if you had any empathy at all or love of what is right you'd be as outraged against the sins of abortion as much as anyone. You don't give a crap, as long as your life is a little easier.

Which is why you dehumanized me here, right? With the "Your ilk is a bunch of sicko's... they're human beings and your saying it's OK to slaughter them at will," which I'm not and I've done nothing of the kind.

I'm morally opposed to abortion. I'm also morally opposed to forcing my own morals on others. There's an important distinction there that you are apparently in capable of understanding.
And I do give a crap. I want to help people make the right choices. Not wash my hands of them when they make the wrong ones.

Someday you'll stand before your creator to be judged and there will be the account of mass millions of unborn slaughtered due to "wrong choices". I don't know how you can claim your innocent when you support the choice of a woman murdering another human being. Abortion is (state) legalized murder.

Just because you oppose abortion but still support the legalization that makes it legal, is somehow a claim to your innocence. You're deluding yourself and I have a feeling your conscience tells you so as well.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Honestly, i'm not sure what you're arguing for... put your cards on the table, are you saying Jesus would have been a progressive liberal democrat?

I don't know what you mean by collectivist moral authoritaian agenda... which is why I didn't reply.

Ah hell no. Jesus wasn't a progressive liberal democrat. He was more like a political radical fighting non-violently for the rights of a conquered people. Like a Gandhi but cubed and squared. Lots of people talk the talk, but NO ONE has ever walked the walk like Jesus did.

A collectivist moral authoritarian agenda is for one group in a society to impose its moral code on every other group. I think that speaks for itself.

I'll re-iterate my position on the question. Asking what party Jesus would belong to is like asking what the color Green tastes like.

Jesus, was divine. He was God. You're right that nobody has ever done what he's done, because it's literally impossible for anyone to do so. To be one of Jesus' disciples means to obey his laws. The problem with Abortion is that it gives all people an OK to kill the unborn, innocent babies. Liberalism today is all about subverting God's laws and making their own.

Well, you're going to have to blame the Founding Fathers for that one, because it was their express intention.

The problem with "God's Laws" is that we all have differing beliefs about God and His laws. Because of that, what you're really supporting here is not God but theocracy and the rule of a single religion (like Catholicism in the middle ages), and because Jesus Himself was opposed to theocratic rule (he was executed for blasphemy, remember), my point stands.

BTW, please find me a single passage in the entire Bible which expressly prohibits abortion. I certainly don't believe it's something that Jesus would have approved of, but permitting sinners to sin of their own accord is not a sin in itself. Do you understand? You are not responsible for the souls others.
And no one on the pro-choice side is saying it's OK to kill the unborn. What they're saying is that it is not society's place to force that choice through the law.
It's odd that you can understand this concept when it comes to money, but when it's someone's else most personal possession, their own body, it all disappears for you. I won't call you psychotic, but you certainly display a marked lack of empathy. That was Jesus' commandment #2 BTW.

I about lost it when I read the bold...

Pro-choicers are nothing but deranged perverts who find it virtuous to give a woman the right, without reprecussion from the state, to murder an innocent life.

Where is your empathy for the unborn humans who are being slaughtered in the name of convenience? Your ilk is a bunch of sicko's... they're human beings and your saying it's OK to slaughter them at will.

If they could talk, how many do you think would be Ok with being aborted? Lack of empathy my ass, if you had any empathy at all or love of what is right you'd be as outraged against the sins of abortion as much as anyone. You don't give a crap, as long as your life is a little easier.

Which is why you dehumanized me here, right? With the "Your ilk is a bunch of sicko's... they're human beings and your saying it's OK to slaughter them at will," which I'm not and I've done nothing of the kind.

I'm morally opposed to abortion. I'm also morally opposed to forcing my own morals on others. There's an important distinction there that you are apparently in capable of understanding.
And I do give a crap. I want to help people make the right choices. Not wash my hands of them when they make the wrong ones.

Someday you'll stand before your creator to be judged and there will be the account of mass millions of unborn slaughtered due to "wrong choices". I don't know how you can claim your innocent when you support the choice of a woman murdering another human being. Abortion is (state) legalized murder.

Just because you oppose abortion but still support the legalization that makes it legal, is somehow a claim to your innocence. You're deluding yourself and I have a feeling your conscience tells you so as well.

But what if you're not a Christian? What makes your interpretation of G-d correct and no other religions?
Maybe you should worry that when you die you may face Buddha or Allah, etc and he will spank you?
But this is America. You're entitled to your religious beliefs. Just keep your G-d's hands off me.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: techs
But what if you're not a Christian? What makes your interpretation of G-d correct and no other religions?
Maybe you should worry that when you die you may face Buddha or Allah, etc and he will spank you?
But this is America. You're entitled to your religious beliefs. Just keep your G-d's hands off me.

In your case, I think you look for meaning by copy/pasting leftist blogs and stuff from other forums into this one all day long.

But seriously, The Bible makes a lot of claims about itself, many scientific principals that always prove right and never wrong. I know of no other God that makes so many claims and is right 100% about each prediction or scientific statement.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
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But seriously, The Bible makes a lot of claims about itself, many scientific principals that always prove right and never wrong. I know of no other God that makes so many claims and is right 100% about each prediction or scientific statement.

This thread just went from silly to slap stick.

 

[Mavtek3100]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Jesus was a Jew, he just rejected the idea of Tyranny within the old testament. It's very safe to say that Jesus himself was very conservative, but no worry's he's most definitely not going to bother you. Why, because Jesus was most definitely a Libertarian.

Tell that to your Republican friends, see if they have an argument.

I can't figure out what you're trying to say here. Your first 2 sentences are a contradiction, and conservative != libertarian.

No the 1st 2 sentences are not contradictions, they are the truth. As far as a conservative being a libertarian sure, a liberal could also be a libertarian, but it would be a lot harder.

How can one be opposed to the reigning status quo and a conservative at the same time?

Figure that one out, and you'll realize why your premise is wrong here.

Quite easily? If the status quo isn't conservative. A conservative will use conservative, reasoned methods for change. If conservativism doesn't exist, one must make it so, using conservative methods. How can you say Jesus was liberal in his actions?

Conservatives don't seek change except to go back to the past. Conservatism doesn't mean to act conservatively, but to conserve the status quo.

The root word of the political philosophy of liberalism is LIBERTY. Liberalism does not mean to act liberally (whatever that would mean).

I have found that most of the confusion on this topic on the internet stems from misuse of terms. Today's American liberals are actually liberal progressives. While today's American conservatives are actually liberal conservatives. Technically speaking, both groups embrace the liberal philosophies of free market economies, sweeping individual liberties, government limited by the rule of law, separation of church and state, etc.

That's what makes these discussions so silly. Liberal philosophy, progressive or conservative, didn't exist in Jesus' day. Social conditions, particularly the nature of religion in people's lives, was so completely different that to make comparisons to modern philosophies just doesn't work. Here's an example, a lawyer in Jesus' time (the word appears several times in the Gospels), was actually a religious scholar, probably a Pharisee (which today are called rabbis, a word which means teacher). These religious leaders were also the political leaders, except for the conquering Roman authorities who ruled over all. The Law of Moses, all 613 commandments of it, literally was the law of the land, just as much if not more so than we hold our Constitution and Bill of Rights today.
So you better believe that when Jesus, a rabbi Himself, said that there were only 2 commandments, that was not exactly a strict following of the law on His part and according to contemporary beliefs, now was it?

Matthew 6:19-34
19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light.
23 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
25 "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?
26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?
27 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
28 "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin.
29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.
30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?'
32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Sorry, I haven't responded because I'm not sure if these are the scriptures you're pointing to that deem Jesus a socialist. They don't seem to be of the sort to me, but again that may just be my opinion. I'm trying to figure out where he promoted redistribution of wealth through force.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Someday you'll stand before your creator to be judged and there will be the account of mass millions of unborn slaughtered due to "wrong choices". I don't know how you can claim your innocent when you support the choice of a woman murdering another human being. Abortion is (state) legalized murder.

Just because you oppose abortion but still support the legalization that makes it legal, is somehow a claim to your innocence. You're deluding yourself and I have a feeling your conscience tells you so as well.

What just God would hold people accountable for sins they did not commit?

For what purpose did Christ die except for our sins?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Someday you'll stand before your creator to be judged and there will be the account of mass millions of unborn slaughtered due to "wrong choices". I don't know how you can claim your innocent when you support the choice of a woman murdering another human being. Abortion is (state) legalized murder.

Just because you oppose abortion but still support the legalization that makes it legal, is somehow a claim to your innocence. You're deluding yourself and I have a feeling your conscience tells you so as well.

What just God would hold people accountable for sins they did not commit?

For what purpose did Christ die except for our sins?

Who said Duwelon's God is a just God, he's more of a convenient God for those like Duwelon and his ilk, one they can use as a weapon against others they don't agree with..

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I about lost it when I read the bold...

Pro-choicers are nothing but deranged perverts who find it virtuous to give a woman the right, without reprecussion from the state, to murder an innocent life.

Where is your empathy for the unborn humans who are being slaughtered in the name of convenience? Your ilk is a bunch of sicko's... they're human beings and your saying it's OK to slaughter them at will.

If they could talk, how many do you think would be Ok with being aborted? Lack of empathy my ass, if you had any empathy at all or love of what is right you'd be as outraged against the sins of abortion as much as anyone. You don't give a crap, as long as your life is a little easier.

Ah, there's the caring, accepting, christian I know and love. Hypocrite.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: techs
But what if you're not a Christian? What makes your interpretation of G-d correct and no other religions?
Maybe you should worry that when you die you may face Buddha or Allah, etc and he will spank you?
But this is America. You're entitled to your religious beliefs. Just keep your G-d's hands off me.

In your case, I think you look for meaning by copy/pasting leftist blogs and stuff from other forums into this one all day long.

But seriously, The Bible makes a lot of claims about itself, many scientific principals that always prove right and never wrong. I know of no other God that makes so many claims and is right 100% about each prediction or scientific statement.

You. Are. Delusional.

 

[Bird222]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Someday you'll stand before your creator to be judged and there will be the account of mass millions of unborn slaughtered due to "wrong choices". I don't know how you can claim your innocent when you support the choice of a woman murdering another human being. Abortion is (state) legalized murder.

Just because you oppose abortion but still support the legalization that makes it legal, is somehow a claim to your innocence. You're deluding yourself and I have a feeling your conscience tells you so as well.

Are you seriously saying that God is gonna charge me with an abortion because I am pro-choice even though I never actually had one???? Well I better not open that McDonalds because I might be charged with gluttony.

 

[Onceler]

all those on His right will be in bliss while those on His left will be condemmed

 

[sandorski]

Christians will be dissapointed when they get to Heaven. They'll have 1 Suit to wear for Eternity, maybe some silk fabric, and a pillow(if they're lucky). The Vikings will sail around in boats, Indians will form a haze that floats over the city, the Egyptians will be the truly fortunate ones having entourages of Servants, plenty of Food and Drink, and multiple changes of Clothes and Jewelry.