It's hilarious you whine about people "broad-brushing", and yet you do the same. Plenty of people here have condemned crooked politicians of both parties, so calm the heck down.
GroundedSailor
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Actually he does not come across as a stupid person, just some one who is blinkered and/or blinded by his partisanship which seems to bypass his logical circuits.
For e.g., the surplus was built up over Clintons presidency and, yes, was gone in 2 years. But he conveniently forget how and why it went in less than 2 years. His President gave away some of it (to 'his base'?) and squandered the rest and then proceeded to squander away any future money in the country as well.
Lemon law
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At this point in time, I have to take the position that Jesse Jackson Jr. is not a target of this investigation at face value. Yet already, even before 1/4 of the facts are in, various GOP apologists are inventing all kinds of conspiracy theories out of thin air.
Long before this latest Blahojevich erupted over his allegedly trying to sell the Obama senate seat, it was apparent that Blago was in plenty of other hot water regarding corruption. And given the fact that Fitgerald is the prosecutor in this case, I have to believe its based on real evidence and is not entrapment. And if we know anything about past Fitzgerald behavior, Fitz is not given to trying his cases in the court of public opinion or besmirching the reputations of those only tangentially involved.
Which is exactly what this thread is becoming on P&N. Wild speculation and nothing more.
But since Blagojevich is under a cloud of suspicion, I can only hope he is removed as Illinois Governor by impeachment, and replaced by his LT. Governor who has a past record as a reformer, before Blagojevich
can name a Senator to replace the Obama seat. No matter what happen, the GOP is not going to get to fill the seat with a republican, so rant on.
Long before this latest Blahojevich erupted over his allegedly trying to sell the Obama senate seat, it was apparent that Blago was in plenty of other hot water regarding corruption. And given the fact that Fitgerald is the prosecutor in this case, I have to believe its based on real evidence and is not entrapment. And if we know anything about past Fitzgerald behavior, Fitz is not given to trying his cases in the court of public opinion or besmirching the reputations of those only tangentially involved.
Which is exactly what this thread is becoming on P&N. Wild speculation and nothing more.
But since Blagojevich is under a cloud of suspicion, I can only hope he is removed as Illinois Governor by impeachment, and replaced by his LT. Governor who has a past record as a reformer, before Blagojevich
can name a Senator to replace the Obama seat. No matter what happen, the GOP is not going to get to fill the seat with a republican, so rant on.
It is like the blind leading the blind. Those surpluses werent sustainable in any way shape or form. Clinton could have run a third term and still run into a deficit. Because these guys budget like the good times will never end. When it comes down like all periods of growth do the govt is left with a deficit or in most cases a bigger deficit.
You'll never ever put the blame on your hero till the day you die eh?
Just skip right on the by the past 8 years like it never happened isn't going to cut it.
How old are you?
Actually from here it looks like you're the one who's stupid. First of all, you totally derailed the thread with a completely off-topic remark about an irrelevant signature. Then ProfJohn responds to you in a civilized fashion explaining why he feels the way he feels, and all you have to say is "you're stupid"?
Grow up, kid.
Surpluses that could only be sustained if you ignore the recession that Clinton dumped onto Bush's lap.
Dave i understand your lack of brain capacity prevents you from thinking beyond sound bites and slogans. But this isnt a terrible difficult idea to grasp. The govt runs on projections for the upcoming year. They guess what the economy will do and what the revenues from taxes will be. When the economy tanks those revenues go down and the budget runs a deficit. See the local states situation for a great real world example.
Are you dumb enough to tell us if Clinton had a third term he would never have run a deficit even as the economy was crumbling around him in his last year in office?
To believe that you would have to be dumber than previously thought.
Don't waste your time. A false sense of peace and security coupled with wealth that only existed on paper is the only real path to differentiating Clinton from the rest of the presidential forgettables. Do you honestly think that trying to explain his pointless presidency to them is going to change their minds?
I dont blame presidents for recessions unless they do something directly because they generally dont have a whole lot of control over them. Why would I blame Clinton for the downfall of the tech bubble?
Don't waste your time. A false sense of peace and security coupled with wealth that only existed on paper is the only real path to differentiating Clinton from the rest of the presidential forgettables. Do you honestly think that trying to explain his pointless presidency to them is going to change their minds?[/quote]
Wow, now Clinton's 8 years was "pointless presidency".
What do you call Bush's presidency with the what he has done to this country and leaving it in this shape?
Why do you need to discuss everything in terms of Bush? Yeah, he was a poor president. Good job, Captain Obvious. Now see if you can carry on an intelligent discussion about *anything else* without framing it up under Bush?
Can't do it? Didn't think so.
And your quoting sucks.
Jesse Jackson, Jr. has made it clear and emphatic that he is not "a target" - after he called Fitzgerald's office.
Denialville has bipartisan representatives...
Senator Ted Stevens, whose indictment followed the Alaska FBI searches by 23 months, maintained that they weren't interested in him for all that time, then that he was innocent after he was finally indicted late last July. He rushed his trial because he claimed he would be exonerated.
Alaska's Congressman Don Young has made similar protestations of innocence, but has already spent $1.1 million or more in campaign funds on attorneys. It helped all those Wasilla fundamentalists vote for him in clear conscience to secure his 50% victory in his 19th reelection. It helped that his opponent is Jewish, those "Christ killers."
William Jefferson denied he'd done anything wrong even after the discovery of $90,000 in marked money in his freezer. Constituents looked the other way and voted for him two years ago and in this year's primary. Finally Democrats split their ticket to help minority Republicans get rid of him.
Larry Craig has denied claims for years that he chronically sought sex in public toilets.
John Edwards denied an affair, then denied paternity.
Sarah Palin claimed she hadn't done anything wrong in Troopergate, she and her team refused to interview with the legislative investigator, then claimed that a damning report "exonerated" her.
They're all reading from the same book.
Denialville has bipartisan representatives...
Senator Ted Stevens, whose indictment followed the Alaska FBI searches by 23 months, maintained that they weren't interested in him for all that time, then that he was innocent after he was finally indicted late last July. He rushed his trial because he claimed he would be exonerated.
Alaska's Congressman Don Young has made similar protestations of innocence, but has already spent $1.1 million or more in campaign funds on attorneys. It helped all those Wasilla fundamentalists vote for him in clear conscience to secure his 50% victory in his 19th reelection. It helped that his opponent is Jewish, those "Christ killers."
William Jefferson denied he'd done anything wrong even after the discovery of $90,000 in marked money in his freezer. Constituents looked the other way and voted for him two years ago and in this year's primary. Finally Democrats split their ticket to help minority Republicans get rid of him.
Larry Craig has denied claims for years that he chronically sought sex in public toilets.
John Edwards denied an affair, then denied paternity.
Sarah Palin claimed she hadn't done anything wrong in Troopergate, she and her team refused to interview with the legislative investigator, then claimed that a damning report "exonerated" her.
They're all reading from the same book.
That about sums it up. Nice post :thumbsup:
Of course, this doesn't imply that denial = guilt; it just implies... well, squat actually.
They all denied their guilt, but there is one difference between Jackson and the others you named.
In his investigation of Scooter Libby, Fitzgerald showed us he's a good investigator, and he doesn't tell all he knows when he first announces his legal actions. So far, he has not said anything to suggest that Jackson did anything wrong, and unlike the others you named, no one else has produced ANY evidence to suggest that he did.
With all the media attention, that could change quickly, but until it does, he's entitled to a presumtion of innocence.
Thump553
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Regardless of how this investigation comes out, it's pretty clear Jesse Jackson, Jr's political future is irreparably damaged. The taint of this means he'll never get the senate seat, whether by appointment or later election.
It's probably also true that no matter how this comes out (unless he ends up in jail) Jackson should have no problem hanging onto his House seat.
Gotta love Illinois politics-it makes the rest of the world look so much better.
It's probably also true that no matter how this comes out (unless he ends up in jail) Jackson should have no problem hanging onto his House seat.
Gotta love Illinois politics-it makes the rest of the world look so much better.
Proof? The economy has been in the shitter for a long time and only recently was it 'officially' termed a recession. Do you have a link that backs up this Clinton recession claim?
He's not giving a pass to Bush. Basic common sense dictates that the economy was on the decline before Bush even took office. Now, I'm not pinning the blame on Clinton, either: the hard fall isn't his responsibility any more than the artificial climb is his responsibility. But seriously, politics aside, anyone who still thinks Clinton fostered prosperous times is an absolute fool. Those times never actually existed, so trying to pin a medal on somebody for them is absolutely baseless.
Party followers like to use artificial boundaries, such as hard and fast enter/exit dates, to promote their boy. If Obama takes office and we have another 9/11 a week later, it would be terribly ignorant to say "WTF Obama takes office and screws up national security a week later." That's stupid. Frankly, such an event would relieve Bush of his right to claim "no more 9/11's on my watch," because even though he's technically no longer on the clock at that point, it's not as black and white as "ABC is out of office, XYZ is in."
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Since this was the Attorney that proscuted Scooter Libby, why wann't the sting allowed to sell the Senate seat and bust the people who were wanting to buy the seat? Was the ivnestigation compromised so that it wouldn't go any higher and implicate........................whoever was involved higher up the food chain?
1. You don't know that the investigation was "compromised," what further evidence Fitzgerald has or where it will lead.
2. He may have thought it was important enough to stop Blagojevich before he could make a Senatorial appointment that would be tainted by the scandal.
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