Jeremy Clarkson Hates America

[shabby]

Pretty funny but he seems to be spot on. The big 3's main priority is hp while handling takes a back seat. There might be a handful of cars that actually handle decently from the factory.
Gm seems to be pimping a lot more cars than can run around the ring recently.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: shabby
Pretty funny but he seems to be spot on. The big 3's main priority is hp while handling takes a back seat. There might be a handful of cars that actually handle decently from the factory.
Gm seems to be pimping a lot more cars than can run around the ring recently.

Most Americans have no opportunity to use handling.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I forgot to mention.

I :heart: The Stig

Man, can that guy drive. He trashed both of those American "muscle" cars.

Wow, there's a lesson there. Muscle doesn't win you everything, does it? Being lean and agile is just as important. Do I see another message here about America's geopolitical role?

muscle cars aren't meant to handle.. they're meant to do the 1/4 mile

and as far as the mustang vs. mustang test... does anyone remember the thread long ago about that?

first, he races the V6 convertible. second, it was a rental car (someone dug up the information, got the rental info/VIN, IIRC)

 

[AdamK47]

I like my C6 coupe and my Monaro. I suppose those are two he doesn't hate.

 

[BUTCH1]

Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

Um, yeah, he's done shows about shit cars from other countries, too. Just man up and admit that your country has produced some shoddy metal in it's time and it will set you free! :laugh:

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: AdamK47
I like my C6 coupe and my Monaro. I suppose those are two he doesn't hate.

C6 on track only, Monaro, yeah he does like that, in the UK spec form. I have no idea if the Vauxhall spec is much different from the Pontiac past cosmetics.

 

[Siddhartha]

Good for Clarkson. His criticisms are noted, but nobody in the US really cares what he thinks.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

Um, yeah, he's done shows about shit cars from other countries, too. Just man up and admit that your country has produced some shoddy metal in it's time and it will set you free! :laugh:

Oh, I know about the shoddy metal, I've driven 'em but the guy's a tool comparing
2 totally different type of cars (Mustang, Lotus) and then leaving our best 4WD vehicles
(jeep) out of a climbing contest.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: AdamK47
I like my C6 coupe and my Monaro. I suppose those are two he doesn't hate.

C6 on track only, Monaro, yeah he does like that, in the UK spec form. I have no idea if the Vauxhall spec is much different from the Pontiac past cosmetics.

C6 track only? the base vette makes a fine DD - clarkson even admits it when he reviews the Z06 in a TG episode.

the GTO and monaro are damn near identical except for the looks, IIRC.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

Having driven both, the Lotus is far easier to push to the limits without it biting you in the ass than a Mustang is. The balance and feedback to the driver with that car is simply amazing. The brakes are equally amazing. It's probably the purest drivers car I've ever driven.

The Stang is a heavy brick with a big engine...a mass of compromise. The only thing the Lotus compromises on is creature comfort and cargo space...but you don't need those things to go fast or handle well.

I think the Lotus looks much better than any American car and it is powered by a Toyota powertrain (same engine as the Celica GT) so reliability is quite good.

In short, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: AdamK47
I like my C6 coupe and my Monaro. I suppose those are two he doesn't hate.

C6 on track only, Monaro, yeah he does like that, in the UK spec form. I have no idea if the Vauxhall spec is much different from the Pontiac past cosmetics.

C6 track only? the base vette makes a fine DD - clarkson even admits it when he reviews the Z06 in a TG episode.

the GTO and monaro are damn near identical except for the looks, IIRC.

Did you watch the show that was linked? He REALLY likes the Z06 on track, but hates it on the road. I'm not making this up, they're his exact words.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

Um, yeah, he's done shows about shit cars from other countries, too. Just man up and admit that your country has produced some shoddy metal in it's time and it will set you free! :laugh:

Oh, I know about the shoddy metal, I've driven 'em but the guy's a tool comparing
2 totally different type of cars (Mustang, Lotus) and then leaving our best 4WD vehicles
(jeep) out of a climbing contest.

Which Jeep has the same level luxury of those vehicles in the test and can still climb?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: BUTCH1

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

Um, yeah, he's done shows about shit cars from other countries, too. Just man up and admit that your country has produced some shoddy metal in it's time and it will set you free! :laugh:

Oh, I know about the shoddy metal, I've driven 'em but the guy's a tool comparing
2 totally different type of cars (Mustang, Lotus) and then leaving our best 4WD vehicles
(jeep) out of a climbing contest.

Which Jeep has the same level luxury of those vehicles in the test and can still climb?

Oh, pick me, pick me!!! I can answer that!!!

There isn't one.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

Um, yeah, he's done shows about shit cars from other countries, too. Just man up and admit that your country has produced some shoddy metal in it's time and it will set you free! :laugh:

Everyone has made crap cars.
Now, given that Clarkson likes to compare apples to oranges, let GM sell a Vette for the entry price of a Ferrari, and lets see what they can do. Until then, the Vette is the best bang for your buck in the auto world, bar none.

 

[Miklebud]

OMG thanks for the link!! That killed 80 minutes of my time at work! LOL!!!!!

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: shabby
Pretty funny but he seems to be spot on. The big 3's main priority is hp while handling takes a back seat. There might be a handful of cars that actually handle decently from the factory.
Gm seems to be pimping a lot more cars than can run around the ring recently.

Most Americans have no opportunity to use handling.

What are you talking about, potholes need to be avoided... thats where a good handling car comes in.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: AdamK47
I like my C6 coupe and my Monaro. I suppose those are two he doesn't hate.

C6 on track only, Monaro, yeah he does like that, in the UK spec form. I have no idea if the Vauxhall spec is much different from the Pontiac past cosmetics.

C6 track only? the base vette makes a fine DD - clarkson even admits it when he reviews the Z06 in a TG episode.

the GTO and monaro are damn near identical except for the looks, IIRC.

Did you watch the show that was linked? He REALLY likes the Z06 on track, but hates it on the road. I'm not making this up, they're his exact words.

YOU said C6 on track only. C6 refers to the corvette generation, if i'm not mistaken - you can have a regular C6 or a C6 Z06. I know clarkson doesn't like the Z06 as a DD, but he also said the regular C6 is good for that. i believe AdamK47 drives a regular C6, not a Z06 (and if it is a Z06, sorry i didn't notice )

 

[GoatMonkey]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
It is funny to note that the Jaguars/Rovers he tests are all Ford-designed.

Ford is a global company with plenty of design studios outside the US designing cars that never even see US soil. Here's a few just off the top of my head, and these ones are all branded as Fords: Falcon/Ka/Transit/Euro Focus/Mondeo/Fiesta/S-Max/C-Max/Galaxy/Euro Fusion.

Quote your source that the American design studios are responsible for designing the bulk of the latest Jags and Land Rovers.

I love Clarkson, but of course I take everything he says with a grain of salt. He is someone who delights in the sensational, and I don't actually think he even believes everything he says. You can catch him in the old BBC "Motor World" series spending time in America and heaping praise on its car culture and such amazing examples of American design as the Lincoln Mark VIII and the POS Chrysler cab-forward monstrosities. You know he's not always totally honest when he has ANYTHING nice to say about a Chrysler LHS.

I always kinda liked the Dodge Intrepid's styling. Mostly because it was the only thing that made it to production from the Lamborghini Portofino

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: dud
If you've spent any time watching Top Gear this is obvious. Go back and watch the episode where they fly to Miami, buy three cars and drive to New Orleans.

While funny it is a not-too-subtle lambasting of the US.

It's for entertainment purposes. Some people don't help, however, like the lady in the gas station.

He just called the Exige a, "Melted toaster from Norfolk". :laugh:

Get a sense of humour and allow yourself to enjoy it.

Agreed. That was a funny episode for sure. Then again, I would pick on people too if I had to endure British food.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

If it's the one I'm thinking, the Mustang did a fairly good job shaking the Lotus and keeping him from passing... it took like 90% of the race for the Lotus to finally dart by in 1 turn, and even then the disadvantaged Mustang still hugged it's ass... but that was enough to say Lotus rules Ford sucks... right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh-4MSDbwFY

Keep in mind thats a F355 Challenge, a specially prepped non street legal track car vs a pretty much bone stock production 03 Cobra.

Is the Ferrari better? Of course it is, it better be! But to say the American car is junk because it's Ford? Pure and simple bias, hate, and stereotypical anti-American bashing and Euro-snobbery.

Also note it wasn't even the corners that the Cobra lost ground, but the straights.... stock Cobra is only 390 HP... a $100 pulley would change that.

The ultimate point though? The average Joe can afford a 03 Cobra easily (and to some extent Corvettes, etc). The bashers cannot afford the superior F355 Challenge/Veyron/<insert supercar of choice>. So in the end, on the street, who actually has the better car at the end of the day? The one who actually owns and drives the car he talks about, or the one who flaunts a car in a magazine that he will never own that is marginally better for 10x the price (talk about law of diminishing returns).

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

If it's the one I'm thinking, the Mustang did a fairly good job shaking the Lotus and keeping him from passing... it took like 90% of the race for the Lotus to finally dart by in 1 turn, and even then the disadvantaged Mustang still hugged it's ass... but that was enough to say Lotus rules Ford sucks... right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh-4MSDbwFY

Keep in mind thats a F355 Challenge, a specially prepped non street legal track car vs a pretty much bone stock production 03 Cobra.

Is the Ferrari better? Of course it is, it better be! But to say the American car is junk because it's Ford? Pure and simple bias, hate, and stereotypical anti-American bashing and Euro-snobbery.

Also note it wasn't even the corners that the Cobra lost ground, but the straights.... stock Cobra is only 390 HP... a $100 pulley would change that.

The ultimate point though? The average Joe can afford a 03 Cobra easily. The bashers cannot afford the superior F355 Challenge. So in the end, on the street, who actually has the better car at the end of the day?

I'm going with the guy who owns the Ferrari actually...duh. :laugh:

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

If it's the one I'm thinking, the Mustang did a fairly good job shaking the Lotus and keeping him from passing... it took like 90% of the race for the Lotus to finally dart by in 1 turn, and even then the disadvantaged Mustang still hugged it's ass... but that was enough to say Lotus rules Ford sucks... right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh-4MSDbwFY

Keep in mind thats a F355 Challenge, a specially prepped non street legal track car vs a pretty much bone stock production 03 Cobra.

Is the Ferrari better? Of course it is, it better be! But to say the American car is junk because it's Ford? Pure and simple bias, hate, and stereotypical anti-American bashing and Euro-snobbery.

Also note it wasn't even the corners that the Cobra lost ground, but the straights.... stock Cobra is only 390 HP... a $100 pulley would change that.

The ultimate point though? The average Joe can afford a 03 Cobra easily. The bashers cannot afford the superior F355 Challenge. So in the end, on the street, who actually has the better car at the end of the day?

I'm going with the guy who owns the Ferrari actually...duh. :laugh:

The choice was between the guy who owns the Cobra vs the guy who brags that the Ferrari is better and puts down the Cobra but actually owns a 82 Sentra

I'd take a 360 Spider in silver... I can always buy another Cobra

I'm sure even if you owned a Veyron, someone out there would talk it down and point out some non production 1 of 3 prototype that is superior in every way to try to bring you down, when in fact he can't afford either in the first place. Just how people are, like to bring down other people's highs to make themselves feel better.

I admit, I've been there... thats how I know.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Well, so a 19 year old Lincoln TC leaked faster than the Jag but a lot depends on the
condition and up keep of the door gaskets, my guess is the Jag got WAY better care
than the TC, test=FAIL

The 68 Mustang GT had disc brakes in the front NOT 4 wheel drum, the stang he was
using for the test was a fastback with a big block dropped in, not an original! Test=FAIL

OK, give GM 200K more for the Vette and I think they could quiet it down some
just like the Ferrari...TEST=FAIL

Yea, the Lotus beat the stang fair and square but how many drivers are skilled
enough to use it?? not to mention it's too hideous to drive to a rockfight, TEST= push.

Lemons, yup big 3 has pushed enough of 'em on us but wait, what was the worst mass-
produced car in the world...hmm..OK, it's the YUGO and oh, those British-leyland POS
cars, (MG, Triumph ) you know, the ones that handled great but whose electrical
systems even Tesla couldn't repair, an unending suffrage to those unfortunate enough
to buy one...

If it's the one I'm thinking, the Mustang did a fairly good job shaking the Lotus and keeping him from passing... it took like 90% of the race for the Lotus to finally dart by in 1 turn, and even then the disadvantaged Mustang still hugged it's ass... but that was enough to say Lotus rules Ford sucks... right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh-4MSDbwFY

Keep in mind thats a F355 Challenge, a specially prepped non street legal track car vs a pretty much bone stock production 03 Cobra.

Is the Ferrari better? Of course it is, it better be! But to say the American car is junk because it's Ford? Pure and simple bias, hate, and stereotypical anti-American bashing and Euro-snobbery.

Also note it wasn't even the corners that the Cobra lost ground, but the straights.... stock Cobra is only 390 HP... a $100 pulley would change that.

The ultimate point though? The average Joe can afford a 03 Cobra easily. The bashers cannot afford the superior F355 Challenge. So in the end, on the street, who actually has the better car at the end of the day?

I'm going with the guy who owns the Ferrari actually...duh. :laugh:

The choice was between the guy who owns the Cobra vs the guy who brags that the Ferrari is better and puts down the Cobra but actually owns a 82 Sentra

I'd take a 360 Spider in silver... I can always buy another Cobra

Hey, I like the Cobra, I've owned a few Mustangs myself over the years and I've driven a couple Mustang Cobras. They are fun cars and I'm not knocking them at all.

The show was very entertaining though. If nothing else it challenges Americans to make better cars...which may not be enough now. Personally, I think we need to be making better and more efficient cars.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Hey, I like the Cobra, I've owned a few Mustangs myself over the years and I've driven a couple Mustang Cobras. They are fun cars and I'm not knocking them at all.

The show was very entertaining though. If nothing else it challenges Americans to make better cars...which may not be enough now. Personally, I think we need to be making better and more efficient cars.

I'd have to agree in general though. I admit I fail to keep in mind that the 03 SVT Cobra is an exceptional vehicle and not the general rule for American cars... while others fail to remember that Americans like value and manufactures have a bottom line to work with or the vehicle will not sell. Cars like the Cobra and Z06 show that Americans DO know how to build quality vehicles when they want to... they just don't. (quantity over quality, what the majority of the American market wants).

I'd like to see a mass production Malibu SS compete with a M3 or something, I'm pretty sure that is the kind of thing most people are talking about with regards to the general American automotive sector (just normal cars not counting special vehicles like the Z06, SVT, etc).

I think it's improving. The other day I saw a commercial for some SUV, it was all slick, gorgeous paint job and luxurious leather interior,and had all these gadgets like HID headlights and mirrors that follow your eyes and auto adjust, etc...

I'm rolling my eyes thinking it's another Lexus/BMW...

It was a Buick!

And you've got the Caddilac on the 'Ring, and all that stuff.

Ford announced the next US Focus is going to be based on the Euro Focus (FINALLY... damn), etc...