Jenny Mccarthy

[FP]

Don't you think there can be a happy medium between "No vaccination!" and "moderate vaccination"?

I am all for vaccinations if the benefit outweighs the potential risks.

And I learned many many years ago not to simply believe doctors because they are doctors. There have been many doctors I have known that aren't worth their weight in dog shit.

The entire medical industry (especially big pharma) is about $$$... not necessarily what is best for you.

 

[JoeFahey]

I liked King's question at the beginning which asked something to the effect of whether her arguments were statistical or scientific. From hearing her, although she wouldn't agree, I'd have to say its the former.
Here is a good part of the interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...n-DM_U&feature=related
I can understand how this is a very emotional issue, as I have autistic children in my family, but from what I have seen and read thus far, her judgment is clouded by her emotions. She also keeps bringing out her board that displays the increase in vaccinations, and as this has been since, it may appear unnecessary, but it is due to new technology that can combat other things.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
She does have some valid points. It's crazy how many vaccinations kids go through these days compared to what I went through (I am 29). Some of doctors I have talked to indicated that increase in vaccination is causing a lot of side effects, such as allergy (skin, respiratory).

Oh really? Please show me any independent study that backs that up?

I have read MANY studies and I have yet to find one that shows vaccines have any real long-term negative effects.
I am about to have my fist child in a couple months and thought there may be some truth to the autism and vaccines and other negative effects since it gets some much coverage. As such I have read as many peer reviewed independent studies as I can find and they all cannot connect vaccines to negative side effects such as autism. All I find is idiots trying to connect 2 things together that are not linked by any science.

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Dacalo
She does have some valid points. It's crazy how many vaccinations kids go through these days compared to what I went through (I am 29). Some of doctors I have talked to indicated that increase in vaccination is causing a lot of side effects, such as allergy (skin, respiratory).

Oh really? Please show me any independent study that backs that up?

I have read MANY studies and I have yet to find one that shows vaccines have any real long-term negative effects.
I am about to have my fist child in a couple months and thought there may be some truth to the autism and vaccines and other negative effects since it gets some much coverage. As such I have read as many peer reviewed independent studies as I can find and they all cannot connect vaccines to negative side effects such as autism. All I find is idiots trying to connect 2 things together that are not linked by any science.

Is the CDC good enough for you?

Have a look

Many vaccines have potential long-term side effects. Although most are rare they can occur.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: FP

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Dacalo
She does have some valid points. It's crazy how many vaccinations kids go through these days compared to what I went through (I am 29). Some of doctors I have talked to indicated that increase in vaccination is causing a lot of side effects, such as allergy (skin, respiratory).

Oh really? Please show me any independent study that backs that up?

I have read MANY studies and I have yet to find one that shows vaccines have any real long-term negative effects.
I am about to have my fist child in a couple months and thought there may be some truth to the autism and vaccines and other negative effects since it gets some much coverage. As such I have read as many peer reviewed independent studies as I can find and they all cannot connect vaccines to negative side effects such as autism. All I find is idiots trying to connect 2 things together that are not linked by any science.

Is the CDC good enough for you?

Have a look

Many vaccines have potential long-term side effects. Although most are rare they can occur.

I guess you missed the really big word at the top...

"Possible"

In other words there is no direct link but there may "Possible" be one.


Oh and I hate Drug makers worse then anybody else. But to make claims that are not backed up by science I hate even more. This is not the stone age, or middle east for that matter.

 

[BUTCH1]

I get a flu shot every year at work, mostly because it's free, I love free stuff, even shots!. Seriously though it seems to have helped as I haven't had the flu in over 5 years. Some of the stuff she is rambling about like mercury, anti-freeze, how in the hell would that wind up in a vaccination anyway??

 

[tranceport]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Dacalo
She does have some valid points. It's crazy how many vaccinations kids go through these days compared to what I went through (I am 29). Some of doctors I have talked to indicated that increase in vaccination is causing a lot of side effects, such as allergy (skin, respiratory).

Oh really? Please show me any independent study that backs that up?

I have read MANY studies and I have yet to find one that shows vaccines have any real long-term negative effects.
I am about to have my fist child in a couple months and thought there may be some truth to the autism and vaccines and other negative effects since it gets some much coverage. As such I have read as many peer reviewed independent studies as I can find and they all cannot connect vaccines to negative side effects such as autism. All I find is idiots trying to connect 2 things together that are not linked by any science.

You might check into the contents of some vaccines. I've seen some that have mercury, lead, aluminum, sodium borate, soldium chloride, formaldehyde. This is the primary reason it seems most try to avoid vaccines. The fear of the ingredients. The concern of the people choosing not to vaccinate is that these ingredients as well as others may cause currently unknown side effects. These side effects may be known illneses.

I agree completely that vaccines are needed to combat serious diseases. I am in the USA and we are soooo lucky to have these vaccines readily available. Most of our population has never and probably will never see these diseases in person. This is one reason that some of our population is able to chose not to vaccinate, because the diseases are not present in our country.

When I was a child I was vaccinated up until I was about 6. I do not remember any additional vaccinations after that. My wife was in the military, she has had dozens via the assembly line air guns shots.

I think the idea that most people who are choosing not to vaccinate is:
1. Disease not spreading in population - low risk of infection.
2. They will notice the symptoms if infected.
3. The doctor will correctly diagnose in time.
4. The doctor will treat the disease if needed
5. Natural immunity will be gained if possible.

My $0.02 far.

 

[Bignate603]

The effects of a few parents refusing vaccines won't be too terrible. One kid gets sick, but they wouldn't pass it on to another unvaccinated kid because there wouldn't be many around. However, if it becomes common I wouldn't be surprised to see pandemics of preventable illnesses occurring again. Millions have died in the past from single epidemics, and if we don't make ourselves immune to what can cause them they can easily happen again.

My kids will get vaccinated. If I have a choice of a low mercury/no mercury vaccine or a higher mercury vaccine I'll of course take the the one with less mercury content but I won't say no if there's not an option like that.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Well I suppose thats what bothers me so much. Being a nurse and all. But its amazing how many of my patients DONT want get a flu or pneumonia(when they qualify for one) and their primary reason is 'vaccines arent safe'

I get sick every time I get a flu shot. I don't get sick when I don't get them. I stopped getting flu shots years ago and haven't had the flu since.

The flu shot doesnt cause you to get the flu... sure you can have a mild illness for a couple days but its more due to the immune response. I got the flu shot every year I was in college and was one of the few people NOT to get the flu whenever it chose to rampage through my dorm

So basically you're agreeing with me. Good. In cases where the patient has a weaker immune system, they may end up with a prolonged illness.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
I get a flu shot every year at work, mostly because it's free, I love free stuff, even shots!. Seriously though it seems to have helped as I haven't had the flu in over 5 years. Some of the stuff she is rambling about like mercury, anti-freeze, how in the hell would that wind up in a vaccination anyway??

I've never had a flu shot, and have only had the flu once in college. A flu shot is a largley useless vaccine, as they have to guess which particu;ar strain will be the most common months before flu season. If they happen to guess right, it will help, but iof they are wrong, it's useless.

I think that her judgement has been clouded by her personal experience, but I do feel that some of her concerns have merit to require further investigation in an unbiased manner.

All those wishing death upon her or otherwise flipping out on her are morons. If you personally believed that a significant illness or death of your child could have been avoided, I believe most of you would be vocal about it.

 

[Dumac]

I didn't think she wanted to rid the world of vaccines...

I just thought she wanted hefty regulations about what is actually in them and the removal of some archaic ingredients that aren't needed based on current scientific knowledge.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
People who preach this foolishness must die.

What's gonna happen is that these people will spawn mutant forms of these problems and then we will get screwed over.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

 

[silverpig]

Someone should have vaccinated her for stupiditis.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

One out of 5,263 cases and there was no proof of casuastion

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

One out of 5,263 cases and there was no proof of casuastion

so you think the gov't just decided to give them money for no reason?

and one case is too many if that case is your child...

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Yea Jenny obviously forgot that vaccines helped bring about the end of polio, smallpox etc etc...

Like ironwing said, the age of reason is dead.

Not really, it just seems like that because of all the media exposure she's getting. Don't forget, there's always the Westover Baptist to consider and other extreme idiots getting air time but that doesn't mean it's an accurate cross section of the vast majority of the people.

Well I suppose thats what bothers me so much. Being a nurse and all. But its amazing how many of my patients DONT want get a flu or pneumonia(when they qualify for one) and their primary reason is 'vaccines arent safe'

Why the fuck would anyone get a flu shot? Most worthless vaccine ever. Everyone I know who gets flu shots always comes down with something immediately after whether it be the flu or a cold. Conversely, I've never had a flu shot in my life and I get the flu about once every 7-8 years on average.

 

[dartworth]

flu shots...lol...what a waste of time and money.

keep drinking the koolaid

the best point so far...

The entire medical industry (especially big pharma) is about $$$... not necessarily what is best for you.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

Its common for the government and large companies to do the math on how expensive it is to go to court compared to how expensive it is to settle. Even if you're going to win if it costs more than settling you just pay it.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: FP
Don't you think there can be a happy medium between "No vaccination!" and "moderate vaccination"?

I am all for vaccinations if the benefit outweighs the potential risks.

And I learned many many years ago not to simply believe doctors because they are doctors. There have been many doctors I have known that aren't worth their weight in dog shit.

The entire medical industry (especially big pharma) is about $$$... not necessarily what is best for you.

Here we go with the stupid conspiracy theories again.

"If the benefit outweighs the risk" Are you serious?

If the cure was riskier then the disease, more children would die of the vaccine then are saved by it.

But hey, if you have data to back that up, let see it.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

One out of 5,263 cases and there was no proof of casuastion

so you think the gov't just decided to give them money for no reason?

and one case is too many if that case is your child...

My understanding is that the child had a mitochondrial disorder that predisposed her to autism. In this case, the vaccine aggravated her condition and made her symptoms much worse. However, I know of no evidence that suggests vaccination causes autism in otherwise healthy children.

Also, I think mercury and some of the other harmful materials have been removed in recent years.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: silverpig
Someone should have vaccinated her for stupiditis.

nm read it wrong

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

Its common for the government and large companies to do the math on how expensive it is to go to court compared to how expensive it is to settle. Even if you're going to win if it costs more than settling you just pay it.

that's common for corporations, but NOT the US government.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Why the fuck would anyone get a flu shot? Most worthless vaccine ever. Everyone I know who gets flu shots always comes down with something immediately after whether it be the flu or a cold. Conversely, I've never had a flu shot in my life and I get the flu about once every 7-8 years on average.

You aren't the target and that flu/cold is a known side effect of the shot. The flu you get is significantly weaker than it would be normally. It's only really useful for people that just wouldn't survive a full strength case of the flu.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

One out of 5,263 cases and there was no proof of casuastion

so you think the gov't just decided to give them money for no reason?

and one case is too many if that case is your child...

My understanding is that the child had a mitochondrial disorder that predisposed her to autism. In this case, the vaccine aggravated that condition and made her symptoms much worse. However, I know of no evidence that suggests vaccination causes autism in otherwise healthy children.

Also, I think mercury and some of the other harmful chemicals have been removed in recent years.

mercury levels have been reduced in some, yes, after the issues were brought out about them.

like I said, I don't know if vaccines cause autism or not, but I don't think you should blame her for being passionate about the issue.