Jena 6

[brandonb]

For those who don't know, here is an article from CNN.
I know there is a topic sort of on this topic but only because of the differences between Obama and Jesse Jackson.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law...20/jena.six/index.html

Basically, 6 black kids beat up a white kid, and got thrown in jail for attempted murder. Apparently its in retalliation to a racist incident previous. Now there is a huge rally saying the black kids are being picked on.

Advocates of the Jena 6 said the story actually began three months earlier, when three white students hung nooses from a tree on campus. The white students were suspended from school but didn't face criminal charges. The protesters argue they should have been charged with a hate crime.

The teens were initially charged with attempted murder after they allegedly knocked out Justin Barker -- a white classmate -- while stomping and kicking him during a school fight on December 4, 2006.

Barker was taken to a hospital with injuries to both eyes and ears, as well as cuts. His right eye had blood clots, said his mother, Kelli Barker.

"It breaks our heart to see him handcuffed and in leg shackles," Sharpton said. "But his spirit is high. He has said that he is very encouraged to know that thousands are coming to this town to stand up for him and his five friends."

What I gather ...

Nooses from a tree = The white kids should be charged with a hate crime.
6 black kids beat up white kid (doesnt even say its the same white kid who had anything to do with noose from tree) and that is not a hate crime.
Rally to support the black kids who are now in jail.

Something similar happened in my school. Some black thugs from the inner city came out to the subburbian school to pick on white kids. A white kid was friends with a black kid, they were walking down the hall, the 6 thugs asked the black kid "Is this kid cool?" And the black kid not knowing what they were talking about just ignored the thugs, so the thugs beat up the white kid and put him into the hospital. Black kids disappear, nobody hears a thing about it, not even note worthy by even the local media. But I will remember the incident for the rest of my life.

If 6 white kids beat up 1 black kid and put him into the hospital, it would be national news that night. Would Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton come hold a rally in support of the white kids if they got charged with "attempted murder."

No, everybody would be praising the justice in that case. It was because the black kid was repressed and showing his frustration.

Is it no wonder why racial issues still exist in this country?

 

[waggy]

sadly you are right.

this story disgust me. the white kids that put the noose should be charged with a hate crime. The 6 blacks that did that to the white kids should be charged with attempted murder. 6 on 1 plus them stomping on his head etc.

The rally for them is no shock.

Then the courts getting scared and reducing chrarges sigh.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: brandonb
Topic Title: Jena 6
Topic Summary: What are your thoughts

It just shows the worsening out of whack judicial system.

It is a Corporate driven model of anything for a buck.

Those with money go through and get out.

Those without get pressed and steamrolled.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

why in the hell isn't 6 black kids beating up the white kid not a hate crime?


How did they did choose who to beat up?

 

[dyna]

I guess I don't understand the full story but did the nooses have something to do with the black kids? Or did they just assume it had something to do with them and then beat up the white kid. Was the white kid that got beat up, one that hung up a noose?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: brandonb
Topic Title: Jena 6
Topic Summary: What are your thoughts

It just shows the worsening out of whack judicial system.

It is a Corporate driven model of anything for a buck.

Those with money go through and get out.

Those without get pressed and steamrolled.

Every time you post it is a hate crime against intelligence.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: dyna
I guess I don't understand the full story but did the nooses have something to do with the black kids? Or did they just assume it had something to do with them and then beat up the white kid. Was the white kid that got beat up, one that hung up a noose?

of course the Noose had something to do with the black kids!

was the kid they beat up the one that put them up? no. they claim they heard him use a deragatory slure. but nobody knows for sure.

 

[ahurtt]

6 guys beating up 1 guy sure sounds like attempted murder to me. And hanging nooses on a tree sure is inflamatory and provocative, especially when you consider this happened in the deep south. I'm not sure what the rally is about. . .sounds like justice is being done to me.

However, this story is lacking in detail. I know this has been going on for a while and there is a lot of other contextually relevant stuff that happened surrounding this case that is not mentioned here. It is a story about about a mini schoolyard turf-war that escalated over time to what we have today. I will see if I can find something that gives a detailed timeline of the events and circumstances surrounding this case, otherwise people are going to be going off half cocked with only part of the details.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

I'm sure Dr. King is rolling over in his grave right now. Drumming up national attention is one thing, as the charges against these guys are higher than they should be, as the victim was released from the hospital pretty much instantly after admission. True fairness would be charging them with a hate crime and assault, not attempted murder as well as trying the ones who committed the first hate crime on a higher court. Equality right? Or did we stop pushing for that long ago?

 

[ahurtt]

Here is one persons write up on the circumstances and events surrounding this whole ordeal. It really is a case of a mini schoolyard turf war getting out of hand and spilling over to places and activities outside the school leading to incidents in multiple places. I also seem to remember something about the tree in question involved in this case having been either removed by school or burned or chopped down or otherwise vandalized after the nooses had been found hanging from it. It is a case of 1 over-reaction followed by several subsequent bigger retaliatory over-reactions in succession back and forth.

http://www.whileseated.org/photo/003244.shtml

Still looking for stuff with even more details.

Another timeline write up:
http://bookchinshop.wordpress....na-6-a-brief-timeline/

 

[jonks]

The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech. Symbolic arguments are legal, even if backward and disgusting. For example, to take it out of the black v white arena, it would not, and should not, be illegal for a skinhead to build a model of a concentration camp and claim that Hitler was right to try to kill the Jews. If 6 Jews got together and then kicked the shit out of the guy for doing it, they should be charged with assault. We make a distinction in the law between symbolic expression and physical acts.

If the white kids threw the nooses over the tree and then held a meeting about how they could best go about hanging black kids, that's different. But just nooses over a tree? I don't even think that should be punishable (by the police; the school should probably suspend them). You want to hang a swastica on your front porch? Go ahead, this used to be a free country.

<<<<<-------(non-practicing) Jew

Yeah, a model of a concentration camp and a flag can't kill people, but the noose here was displayed as a symbol (of hate and bigotry, no argument there) and should be treated as such.

 

[Jaskalas]

Justice is not blind, and is thus broken. If people cared enough it would be fixed. We don?t.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech.

Can I slap you into another Galaxy far far away.

:roll:

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: sirjonk
The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech.

Can I slap you into another Galaxy far far away.

:roll:

Actually he's got a point.

If burning the flag is free speech then hanging nooses in a tree would be as well.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: sirjonk
The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech.

Can I slap you into another Galaxy far far away.

:roll:

Is there a line?

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: sirjonk
The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech.

Can I slap you into another Galaxy far far away.

:roll:

Actually he's got a point.

If burning the flag is free speech then hanging nooses in a tree would be as well.

You are on DECK!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: sirjonk
The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech.
<ARGUMENT SNIPPED BY DARKSTAR>

Can I slap you into another Galaxy far far away.

:roll:

Isn't that what got these 6 kids in trouble in the first place? Responding with violence? And thanks for including the argument I made so other people can judge the entirety of what I said.

 

[Darkstar757]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: sirjonk
The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech.

<ARGUMENT SNIPPED BY DARKSTAR>
Can I slap you into another Galaxy far far away.

:roll:

Isn't that what got these 6 kids in trouble in the first place? Responding with violence? And thanks for including the argument I made so other people can judge the entirety of what I said.

Well the kind of slap I am thinking of would not be considered a act of violence because it would not hurt it would be a act of free speech. Hurdling you to another Galaxy would not be painful at all.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: sirjonk
The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech.

Can I slap you into another Galaxy far far away.

:roll:

Actually he's got a point.

If burning the flag is free speech then hanging nooses in a tree would be as well.

You are on DECK!

Tell me how one is free speech and the other is not.

 

[StageLeft]

Just because it's black victims/perps, doesn't mean that any notable black figure should comment on it, as Jesse thinks Obama should do. O has bigger concerns.

Hate crimes are stupid, but your post commentary is totally on point.

BTW, sirjonk is right, it is an expression of free speech just as if I was a hardcore insane athiest I would have to accept that a church's cross is one of free-speech and get over the fact it may insult every fibre of my being.

Sticks and stones.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Darkstar757

Originally posted by: sirjonk
The nooses on the tree could be seen as an expression of free speech.

Can I slap you into another Galaxy far far away.

:roll:

Hate cannot drive out Hate, Only Love can do that

And Violence over three pieces of rope? Maybe you should join the muslims and make death threats over Mohammed cartoons?

 

[ScoobMaster]

Why must some people ALWAYS attempt classify others by race/culture/economic status ???? Why can't we look upon individuals as just that.... INDIVIDUAL people??

Let me try this: Read the following description with CLASSIFICATIONS removed:

6 people physically assaulted 1 person. They have been charged with a crime and are in jail.
3 people expressed themselves in a (subjectively) tasteless manner - poor taste, insensitivity and lack of tactfulness notwithstanding, no laws were broken

Now what is the problem here again???!!!

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ScoobMaster
Why must some people ALWAYS attempt classify others by race/culture/economic status ???? Why can't we look upon individuals as just that.... INDIVIDUAL people??

Let me try this: Read the following description with CLASSIFICATIONS removed:

6 people physically assaulted 1 person. They have been charged with a crime and are in jail.
3 people expressed themselves in a (subjectively) tasteless manner - poor taste, insensitivity and lack of tactfulness notwithstanding, no laws were broken

Now what is the problem here again???!!!

:thumbsup:

The problem is the lack of like minded people.

 

[classy]

The noose stunt is not what started all this. A group of whte kids attacked a black kid after a group of black parents wanted the white kids expelled for the noose stunt, they were only suspended. The next day the black kid recognized the guy as being one of his attackers and thats when they attacked him. The whole thing is nothing more the good ole fashion racism. Its a sick story. Its disturbing. I guarantee you any kid here in NJ that would paint or use any kind of racist hate sign would have been expelled, no questions asked. But down south............no problem.

 

[broon]

"Hate" needs to be removed. Crime is crime. Scoobmaster got it right...