Jehovah

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: apoppin
Actually Sarah WAS Abraham's [half] sister. :Q

. . . and Rahab wasn't a believer - yet [and she was a whore].


Well, doesn't the Bible say "quit touching the unclean thing"? The JWs always dennounced the UN along with Babylon as UNCLEAN . . . becoming a UN member is "some strategy"
:shocked:

Hey, I just report 'em like I see 'em. No commentary from me, just the straight facts. (Okay, okay, my "WT as a UN member SHOULD have been a Good Thing if they had embraced it" was definitely commentary from me - but only one point!)

hey, commentary is my job!
:shocked:



how is that you know so much about JWs?
my elderly mother is one [and she doesn't care very much for my comments either] . . . but she is my care now.

i am not really so sure if she really believes it anymore . . . at least in her situation, her congregation has pretty much abandoned her even though she used to go door-to-door regularly until she fell ill . . . not so sure they are so callous worldwide
:thumbsdown:

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: apoppin
BTW, alsolutely nowhere in the Book of Revelation is any evidence that 144,000 is a literal number [ALL the OTHER numbers are symbolic] . . . but they insist . . . anyway, i digress

Honestly, for some reason, that point never stung me as much as logic would dictate it would.

It's odd, but...yeah, Revelation is FULL of numbers. Years and signs and stones and foundations and stars and, etc, et al.

90% of them are all to be taken 'figuratively'....but NOT the number '144,000'? Why? I dunno. I suppose it always seemed specific enough to me that it was meant as a literaly. But why not a number like '666'? I mean, THAT's a pretty specific number too, right? Why doesn't THAT literally stand for six-hundred and sixty-six of something? Why is that 'mark' then a figurative but 144,000 a literal? There is no index in Revelation saying "okay, take these, these, and these verses as literal - the rest is figurative".

I dunno. I see your point, but it never had any emotional or logical impact on me. It should have, but it never did. So I doubt it will on Shaotai.

Originally posted by: apoppin
now this evidence of being a 'member' of the UN is pretty surprising . . . their official reply doesn't 'cut it'.

n an internal document, the WTBTS describes its policy as a "theocratic war strategy". It claims: "In time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary it does much good."

i don't remember ANY lie being condoned in the Bible . . . refresh my memory - i might be wrong . . .

There is some scriptura evidence to support 'spiritual warfare'. They argue that when Jericho was destroyed, Rahab was spared because she lied to protect the spies. They also point out the example of Abraham lying to say that Sarah was his sister, rather than wife.

To whit, they distinguish between "lying" (intentionally saying something false) and "spiritual warfare" (omitting the truth, even if a lie is implied).

In any case, it's besides the point.

They DO teach that the UN is the 'scarlet-colored wild beast' of Revelation....and yet became members for political expediency. What reaction they had to people finding out, how they 'hid' it - all that is irrelevant. If they were God's only true channel to his people, what where they EVER doing as members of Satan's organization by their thinking? It boggles the mind!

Actually Sarah WAS Abraham's [half] sister. :Q

. . . and Rahab wasn't a believer - yet [and she was a whore].


Well, doesn't the Bible say "quit touching the unclean thing"? The JWs always dennounced the UN along with Babylon as UNCLEAN . . . becoming a UN member is "some strategy"
:shocked:

Come on these people did not lie they were commanded by GODS well. You are questioning the Lord.
Why do you say the numbers in Rev. are symbolic its a literal number Lets take 666 this is a literal number he who has wisdom well know him threw this number thats not symbolic thats literal. Strange that know one has figured this number out. Does that mean no one has Wisdom? )Or does it mean the people that see Satan threw this number don't Tell ? For get about tring to ans. that because there's noway you know. You either except the bible as being literaly correct or reject it as fiction.
Here's an example Lets say that I have this hugh vault and it takes a certain set of numbers to open it . Inside the vault is a mircle drug that cures everthing including death.
But mans not ready yet. So I hide it in a place and than I describe that place by saying there are seven hills and a forked river than u come to a place were water falls and digs out the earth and than I do some star maping so that the vault well appear at just the right moment in time and the combanation to the vault is 777 to find eternal life .You well know the meaning of those numbers if you have wisdom Of corse no one knows its a Vault with a mircle drug in it. Men well search and search but they can't find it because the stars aren't aligned yet. Pretty soon people are going to say its symbolic place and numbers. When in fact it is literal place and numbers.

So just because man can't understand something because he's blinded by his own ignorance and you start taking clues that were left for you and saying they are not literal numbers or places its just smbolic you well never find the prize and that is a FACT.
You either except the Bible as the whole trueth and nothing but the trueth Or reject it fiction .

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: ifoundthetao
isnt jehova the name of God?

Absolutly not no man knows his name . Our lord Christ has also picked out a New name for himself which no man knows.
ITS NOT WONDERFUL Wonderful might be part of his name ( talkin about Christ)

 

[dugweb]

Originally posted by: Intelia

Come on these people did not lie they were commanded by GODS well. You are questioning the Lord.
Why do you say the numders in Rev. are symbolic its a literal number Lets take 666 this is a literal number he who has wisdom well know him threw this number thats not symbolic thats literal. Strange that know one has figured this number out. Does that mean no one has Wisdom? )Or does it mean the people that see Satan threw this number don't Tell ? For get about tring to ans. that because there's noway you know. You either except the bible as being literaly correct or reject it as fiction.
Here's an example Lets say that I have this hugh vault and it takes a certain set of numbers to open it . Inside the vault is a mircle drug that cures everthing including death.
But mans not ready yet. So I hide it in a place and than I describe that place but saying there are seven hills and a forked river than u come to a place were water falls and digs out the earth and than I do some star maping so that the vault well appear at just the right moment in time and the combanation to the vault is 777 to find eternal life .You well know the meaning of those numbers if you have wisdom Of corse no one knows its a Vault with a mircle drug in it. Men well search and search but they can't find it because the stars aren't aligned yet. Pretty soon people are going to say its symbolic place and numbers. When in fact it is literal place and numbers.

So just because man can't understand something because he's blinded by his own ignorance and you start taking clues that were left for you and saying they are not literal numbers or places its just smbolic you well never find the prize and that is a FACT.
You either except the Bible as the whole trueth and nothing but the trueth Or reject it fiction .

man, you sure have a lot to say... you kinda sound like a mason, are you?

 

[Intelia]

(i believe they were saying a "remnant" of the 144,000 would be alive at armageddon.)
Actually there all died before Armageddon' except 2
Its very specific about this.
The Final 2 well yield great power for 31/2 years they well battle the beast and shall die in the streets of the City of David just outside the temple of the Lord most High. Where the Anti Christ Has adorned his name on the Temple of the Lord most High.
There they shall lie for three days and the people of the world will rejoice and give gifts to each other because of all the suffering these 2 men visited upon them. At the end of three days they shall be resurrected and go up into heaven and the world well see this . At that exact moment the great earth quake well destroy that city and than the final battle known as armageddon beginns. From the Time of there death to the Final Battle 31/2 years pass.
You see the Jews who rejected the true Christ well except the anti christ as the KING of Kings.

 

[Intelia]

man, you sure have a lot to say... you kinda sound like a mason, are you?
That is probably the biggest insult anyone has ever hit me with its Ok But no Iam not a Free Mason What do you know About the Masons
It really isn't real smart to talk about the Free Masons in a forum Hell it really isn't smart to talk about the Masons anywhere

 

[ZippyDan]

But in Latin, Jehovah begins with an I !!!!1111 DDDDD

also: http://www.knocking.org/indexcont.html

 

[Penth]

A few more holes...

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Penth
A few more holes...

Man you have know idea about whats going on do ya. Go read that whole thread again.
Than get the Jerusulem Bible And read all same places the sister got her quotes from . You can rest assured this Bible is more faithful to the hebrew and Greek translations than the 2 used in that link. The biggest thing you well notice is the use of the Word Yawah.in the Jerusulem Bible. Yawah isn't used any where,s near as often as the word jehovah. Some one has changed something in THESE BIBLES . Which means we have false teachings going on here. Since the Word jehovah didn't exist till the 1800's it would appear it would be the 2 in your link.
Fact is it well be hard for you to find the word Yawah in this Bible . IS what I do believe you well find is these 2 Bibles have taken the word Lord and substituted the word Jehovah. This is absolutely unexceptable to use those 2 bibles and attain salvation. I have proof to back up my statement. When Moses asked God his name Gods reply was that (I AM THAT I AM) Now at one time this is What was in all Bibles if these other 2 Bibles have anything else in there except (I AM THAT I AM ) They have been changed. The old testment teaches us that God is extremely protective of his name I mean really protective. These other 2 bibles use the False name of God like its popcorn poping up everywhere completly unexceptable

THE jw by there own teaching say that in the final days God cut s short the time because the Elite (the 144,000) were in danger of eternal damnation.
There are roughly 6,000,000 jw today so there's going to be alot of unhappy jw come judgement day. Thats by there own teachings.
JW has caused much problems in there own families where as A son or daughter break away from the family because of there new found salvation they found in JW
Bible clearly states what you can not get good fruit from a bad seed. This simply means that if your father goes to hell so are you.
In the ending days only 144,000 well be saved. ( now your father might make it to heaven but thats not a free pass for you) World population is what 10 billion souls. Not looking good for any of us is it. Look at the world today this number looks right to me. I am 54 years old and I have never meet a Godly man not 1. In the total history of the world all the people that ever lived only 1/3 well be saved. Why are the 144,000 called the elite. The bible clearly states that the first shall be last and the last shall be first. this simply means the elite well be the closer to God and Adam well be the farthest away from God but at least he well be with God. If you think about this makes perfect since . Adam walked and talked with God in Eden and yet he still disobeyed him . This had nothing todo with biting into fruit off a tree either . Its not my job to tell you what really took place but if you study real hard you could find out . It really doesn't matter cause this knowledge wouldn't change anything. The elite are from our time I would say it would be harder to find Grace now than it was a 1000 years ago.
Religions I am going to state this and I don't give a dam what you think its the trueth wheather u like it or not.
There is no true religion in this world none zippo its a blank page.
What there are is Christians anyone who is faithful to the teachings of Christ well attain salvation. Its not how much money you pull out of your pocket on sunday morning as an offering in the Godless Building.
Church what is a church. A church is formed when 2 or more christians come together in Christ name. this can be anywhere outside, a closet. Closet be the best so that know one can see you praying.
Why is it not good to pray in public. When you pray in public and some one see you they might say there is a good man . By that man praising for seeing you pray you just recieved your reward for that prayer. God well give you nothing because you already recieved your reward.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Intelia

Originally posted by: apoppin
[BTW, alsolutely nowhere in the Book of Revelation is any evidence that 144,000 is a literal number [ALL the OTHER numbers are symbolic] . . . but they insist . . . anyway, i digress

;

Come on these people did not lie they were commanded by GODS well. You are questioning the Lord.
Why do you say the numbers in Rev. are symbolic its a literal number Lets take 666 this is a literal number he who has wisdom well know him threw this number thats not symbolic thats literal. Strange that know one has figured this number out. Does that mean no one has Wisdom? )Or does it mean the people that see Satan threw this number don't Tell ? For get about tring to ans. that because there's noway you know. You either except the bible as being literaly correct or reject it as fiction.
Here's an example Lets say that I have this hugh vault and it takes a certain set of numbers to open it . Inside the vault is a mircle drug that cures everthing including death.
But mans not ready yet. So I hide it in a place and than I describe that place by saying there are seven hills and a forked river than u come to a place were water falls and digs out the earth and than I do some star maping so that the vault well appear at just the right moment in time and the combanation to the vault is 777 to find eternal life .You well know the meaning of those numbers if you have wisdom Of corse no one knows its a Vault with a mircle drug in it. Men well search and search but they can't find it because the stars aren't aligned yet. Pretty soon people are going to say its symbolic place and numbers. When in fact it is literal place and numbers.

So just because man can't understand something because he's blinded by his own ignorance and you start taking clues that were left for you and saying they are not literal numbers or places its just smbolic you well never find the prize and that is a FACT.
You either except the Bible as the whole trueth and nothing but the trueth Or reject it fiction .
[/quote]WHY?

Because the book of Revelations SAYS it is "presented IN SIGNS" [verse 1]
:Q

you might TRY reading your bible before you babble on and on
:roll:

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: apoppin
How does ANYone take the word of an "official religion" as truth?

The OT bible [hebrew scriptures] is a glorification of the jewish nation, of god's "special" dealihg with their TRIBE . . . .

How ANYone can swallow - withOUT confirmation; without questioning their "history" - compiled by their priests - is way way beyond me.

Their bible - adopted by christians - speaks about the Creator [yahweh/jehovah] blessing the entire planet by means of them - 'natural' jews.

What an agenda.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:

jews are master propangadists . . . they've had thousands of years to justify the genocide of their neighbors as "god-directed".

believe what you WANT to

WTF? :disgust:

disgusted but without an explanation . . .

that's good . . . and fairly typical of OT . . .
:roll:

Allow me to clarify with a question....

Did you mean to implicate that jews are genocidal maniacs who are masters at using propaganda to cover their evil doings?

 

[JonnyStarks]

Originally posted by: Vic
It reminds me that there is no "J" in the Hebrew language.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: apoppin
How does ANYone take the word of an "official religion" as truth?

The OT bible [hebrew scriptures] is a glorification of the jewish nation, of god's "special" dealihg with their TRIBE . . . .

How ANYone can swallow - withOUT confirmation; without questioning their "history" - compiled by their priests - is way way beyond me.

Their bible - adopted by christians - speaks about the Creator [yahweh/jehovah] blessing the entire planet by means of them - 'natural' jews.

What an agenda.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:

jews are master propangadists . . . they've had thousands of years to justify the genocide of their neighbors as "god-directed".

believe what you WANT to

WTF? :disgust:

disgusted but without an explanation . . .

that's good . . . and fairly typical of OT . . .
:roll:

Allow me to clarify with a question....

Did you mean to implicate that jews are genocidal maniacs who are masters at using propaganda to cover their evil doings?

no . . . i didn't say that and don't try to read anymore into it than i stated. Do you need further clarification?

i am glad to do so [but may not have time till tonight as i leave for work pretty soon].

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: spiderrasmon

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: spiderrasmon
where do you get that info from?

Here
Here
Here
Here

A couple years ago I was on his website and there was stuff up about his birthday party.

Performer Prince, now officially a JW, to celebrate "birthday" (posted 6/12/01) (it's a bit near the end)

None of those are official sites of the Watchtower Society. those are apostate sites.

My sister and her husband are JW
they have been for 35 years
her husband and mine for years smoked Pot and drank a lot.
We would go out dancing get drunk smoke pot her husband would do any kind of drugs he could lay his hands on. I have never smoked pot my sister did a lot.
And they committed many more sins .
But they would not celebrate holidays ect. ect. ect.
Now that is strange.
My husband has told them I don't know how many times to get there heads out of revelations and start reading and studing the 4 gosphels.
Jw are correct in not celebrating holidays Ect . Ect. Ect. if the bible consisted only of the old testment.
What jw doesn,t understand after the Christ those rules know longer existed.
They eat pork old testment says not to.( or do they pick and choose)
Pork was considered unclean. The Christ did say its not what goes into your mouth that is unclean but what comes out. So they it Pork.
My husband has pointed out to them a million times the Christ turned water into wine at a wedding celebration. I guess this is alright. (pretty selective aren't they)

Here what it is with jw they are cheap spend money on only themselves.
Keep famlies apart during holidays in this way the other family none Jw can't influeance them . jw is anti family.
Me and my sister work at the same place and they never went to xmas parties.
So the company just for her Changed the date of the Xmas party and renamed it so now they go . (Do you see something wrong here.) If not something wrong with you.
If any of you Jw want to go up against me on this celebration issue go for it .
I can tell you right now you haven't got a prayer. your going to start spouting old testment stuff and I well use the new testment I well absolutly cream you on this issue. You have nothing solid to use nothing zero nada thing. Fact is I can use the old testment and bloody you on this issue. Just except the challenge and find out how very little you know. Because God did setup priorities .
Jw you have to stop spreading doom and gloom. start doing christian things.
Help the homeless work in your neighbor hood with projects for kids.
Go out in the world and bring the good news of Christ teaching.
Make the world a better place so that God won't destroy us instead of praying for the end of this system.
Christ never taught revelations ever ever ever. Why is that.
JW you claim to be the 1 true religion in the world . What was the name of that religion way back when. What was Gods name in the year 1000AD you can't ans. that question because you don't know. Why don't you know. You can't say Jehovah cause the name didn't exist until the 1800's yet many religions have excepted this name. I wasn't going to ask this but why didn't the Christ proclaim Gods name to the world. Don't you dare say he did. You people better start thinking and upon your hearts to the true spirit of christianity. JW I am using you here. Everthing I have stated here applies to all christian religions in the world . How did the RCC obtain Peters ring. When did they steal it from you. Christ himself is the only Church. all outhers are false religions.
I haven't said 1 thing that you can refute not one try me see where it goes.

Oh boy here I go Iam going to say it . It is really most likely that Jehovah is the Anti Christ.
You people claim to have martiers . Don't make me laugh. in1914 a few went to jail because you refused to fight in the world war 1&2 . Thats not a martier and many others of other faiths did also. your not special . Now because of my harsh words You will say I am persecuting you . When in fact you have know idea what persecution is.
Christ said give to ceasar what is ceasars. If your government orders you to fight you have to fight its wrong I know. God well not hold it against .HE hold against the people in power at that time.
Look at Ali refused to fight because he was a musy lol THAN he well get in a ring and beat the hell out of a man . Good logic there.
Can u give me the name of 1 marter . That had a gun held to his head and was asked to deny the Christ or die. Not 1 not 1 not 1. You well have to supply evidence other than JW . JW is not creditable. History records thes events unless there a conspiracy against JW to hide the fact that they had a marter. This well be interesting how far back in time can go befor I put the clamps on you not far.
In closing than its only fair I give you an easy one . Name 1 thing Jw has done for the improvement In any city, state, country. That cost JW alot of money and time . Preaching Doom and gloom don't count nor does building a kingdom hall . Oh ya Jehovah is the anti -christ

 

[Intelia]

Pretty sad you let me throttle you like this. JW this isn't a war you don't need to run and hide. I would urgh you to get one of your more enlightened members to handle this your going to need him or her. Or just let this thread rest in peace. Some people took JW seriuosly for a while but now that the time line has missed JW has know Creditability.
You proclaim to have the best make sense religion in the world. Nonsence.
I have never met with or talked to the Amish people but You want to talk about a religion based belief that looks really good here it is. But its still based on religion rather than Faith. Christanity is a Faith based not religion based. I still have a problem with Peter you know Peter right the Rock Christ used to build his Faith. How did RCC get Peters Ring from you? Since You claim to be the 1st true religion based faith. Did they steel it from you what year did this happen where did it happen and what was the point of the theft.
Can you shed some light on the 12 Kings you don't even know what I am talking about do you (has nothing to do with revelations. )
The number 666 he who has wisdom well know the meaning of this. Do any of your members have enough wisdom to know what this number means other than the fact it has to do with the Beast. or is this a JW secret LOL.
One more strange thing the Bible points to the year 1777 and yet you have published nothing on this! Hows that? This date is way more meaningful than 1914. Why are you hung up on the year 1914. Why are you hung up on the number 666 its the number of the beast. As it stands right now the number 666 seems to be associted with the word Jehovah . Why would I sugjest that . Its quit simple if you have wisdom. By your own account in the ending times only 144'000 well be redeemed. Out 10 billion people only 144,000 well be redeemeed I except this number completely. But how does the the beast decieve the entire world. Simple open up any modern day Bible (most I should say) and you well find the word Jehovah plastered all over the pages . Now go back in time befor the word Jehovah was invented(1800's) and look at any bible its extremely hard to find the word Yahwa (spelling) Jehovah is the modern day word for yahwa according to world christian based religions.. jehovah can not replace the word Lord thats a big no no. It can only be used to replace the word Yahwa.
More evidence The beast has his name placed on the Tempo most high in the city of David.
There is only 1 name that Christian Based religions would be decieved by Just 1 and that name is in fact jehovah .
Now you can be enlightened give up religion become a Faith based Christian and at least have a chance at Salvation
1 more small detail on your 1914 date I know how you arrived at it its an easy deal. Everyone has missed up here. Many historiansn don't know. Don't try to offer any sort of proof . But when was the year 1 . there 33 years here that were not sure about you well use AD( After death) I well say BC(before Christ) yep 33 years in your time line . AD makes it 1914 unless there are other wrong dates which we already know to be a fact. Thats 1881- if u subtract the other date mitakes Now the other dates we Know to be wrong. Play with those numbers but first find out what year the word Jehovah was invented And your time line adjusted for the mistakes you well find that the new time line date and the invention of the word Jehovah are 1 and the same. Except the trueth or parish its up to you. If anyone can give me 1 name of the 12 kings I well discuss it with you. I can really Rock your world if your open to the trueth. All you need to do is come up with 1 name. Rest assured no free mason is going to offer up a name. Thats a fact for sure. There is much thats been hidden from the sight of man this is 1 of the biggest secrets that exist in the world today. The Free mason go all the way back to the building of the pyramids. There not going to worry about me cause they know . There's know way you can come with a name and so do I. There's so much that your missing out on because your minds and hearts are closed. An idiol mind is the devils work shop.

 

[randalee]

Jehovah = Jesus the Christ.

 

[imported_xaguynamedguyx]

it means open door and slam it really fast and then start laughing very loud

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: randalee
Jehovah = Jesus the Christ.

Bible states that the lord of lords, king of kings who is Jesus Christ picks out a new name for himself that and that name is wonderful (this is a discreption of that name) but know man knows it.
So Jehovah = Jesus Christ So yor saying that God and Jesus are the same person.
Than your also saying God never had a Son or are you saying you except the trinity
What are you saying here.
Basicly your saying that man picked Gods name out for him . That goes against all things that are held sacred The tetra is pure BS.
Your exactly the same as the RCC you have created Dogma shame on you.