cytg111
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For Epstein to kill himself?
Too obvious...
Glad to see you catching on.
For Epstein to kill himself?
Too obvious...
Maybe an additional questionThis is the usual mistake people at large make.
People review the evidence and then make up their mind as to
either
100% this was a suicide
or
100% this was homicide
While I will argue a better approach will to give it odds, even so in descriptive language : I find it highly unlikely (say 10%) that it was homicide ... And keep in mind that whenever you assign 100% to something you are probably doing it wrong.
Anyway, personally I am not closing the door on nefarious circumstances here.
Maybe an additional question
Did JE commit suicide without outside help?
How about a couple of metric tons of motive?
I do think some of the posters work hard to make up dots, even harder to then connect them, and then say Aha! Look! This is what must have happened.
I do think some of the posters work hard to make up dots, even harder to then connect them, and then say Aha! Look! This is what must have happened.
- Are you ok man?It's like fucking birtherism.
It's like fucking birtherism.
I was wondering if I had slept through one of my chemistry classes...(For the slow and very concerned there is no carbon 225-9 test)
Or any conspiracy theory, they throw shit at the wall and then read the tea leaves "look its Jesus!"
You can believe the ME if you want to. I don't know enough to say I believe the ME. You can, fine. You see, "belief" can mean different things. You say you believe something. What does that mean? You write it off as believed. How deep is your belief? How would I know? I certainly do not believe that JE killed himself. I know that he's officially having said to have done that. I wasn't there, you weren't there. He should have been on suicide watch. He wasn't.What is it that you "know" that the rest of us don't?
What I "know" is that the ME who did the autopsy said he committed suicide and the ME "knows" a lot more than I do and a lot more than you do about it.
Complete nonsense.I believe the evidence, and the preponderance of evidence points to suicide. I need actual evidence of foul play to believe it, and so far there is none.
Tell a scientist or lawyer that you don't care about actual evidence, just hunches, and see how they react. Something tells me they'll disagree with your "no shame" position.
Complete nonsense.
Who allowed JE to come off suicide watch? Who removed cellmate after coming off suicide watch? You are pretending those events happened in a vaccuum.Says the person whose beliefs about Epstein's death are based on nonsense.
You have no tangible evidence. Your theory comes down to gut feelings and suspicions. You can't try to claim the rational high ground when the very foundation of your belief is irrational.
Again, this isn't to completely rule out alternate explanations, but until there is actual evidence that supports those explanations, the suicide explanation is by far the most plausible one. Think of it like the theory of evolution; even if there are still a few holes in the model, it's the only theory that survives scrutiny in any way.
Who allowed JE to come off suicide watch? Who removed cellmate after coming off suicide watch? You are pretending those events happened in a vaccuum.
Who allowed JE to come off suicide watch? Who removed cellmate after coming off suicide watch? You are pretending those events happened in a vaccuum.
Dude, wake up! I didn't say JE didn't commit suicide. I just said I don't "believe" he did. I likewise don't believe he didn't. Get your brain working.Says the person whose beliefs about Epstein's death are based on nonsense.
You have no tangible evidence. Your theory comes down to gut feelings and suspicions. You can't try to claim the rational high ground when the very foundation of your belief is irrational.
Again, this isn't to completely rule out alternate explanations, but until there is actual evidence that supports those explanations, the suicide explanation is by far the most plausible one. Think of it like the theory of evolution; even if there are still a few holes in the model, it's the only theory that survives scrutiny in any way.
Dude, wake up! I didn't say JE didn't commit suicide. I just said I don't "believe" he did. I likewise don't believe he didn't. Get your brain working.
JFK killed Epstein. I'd say he blew his own cover but Oswald did that for him.
I would phrase it like this : In my opinion its highly likely that Epstein killed himself. Its getting into the nitty gritty of the semantics of it all, but bottom line is something like this, to believe is akin to take a leap of faith, a leap of faith is not a probability factor I assign to my reality.So what do you believe? Do you trust an outside medical examiner and accounts of what happened? You know, evidence? You can't just throw your hands up in the air and pretend the facts don't lean one way or the other. All the clues so far point to suicide; you can accept that reality while keeping an open mind, or you can live in a fantasy land.
Who allowed JE to come off suicide watch? Who removed cellmate after coming off suicide watch? You are pretending those events happened in a vaccuum.
Or any conspiracy theory, they throw shit at the wall and then read the tea leaves "look its Jesus!"
The prison shrinks did, after having him on watch and examining him daily for a week. It's more than possible to come across as non-suicidal when one is actually suicidal.