Jeff Bezo's Amazon shows the True nature of the Rich Liberal

[Noah Abrams]

There is no greater sense of entitlement in this country than the one to hoard wealth among the financial elite & the ability to hand down that wealth as inheritance.

I don't think I have much to dispute about the former but I am curious about the second part. How is that an entitlement?

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't think I have much to dispute about the former but I am curious about the second part. How is that an entitlement?

Where do you think the word "entitlement" comes from? It comes from inherited wealth & titles of the European nobility.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Having governing decisions happen at the lowest level is a fundamental tenet of conservatism. (That is unless local governments do something conservatives don’t like) In this case local governments are screwing over their residents through dumb zoning laws which is why other government should step in.

Yes decisions should happen at the lowest level. This is part of human nature. In this case the liberal local governments should definitely be allowed to continue to screw the residents.

As usual the rich liberals supposed care for people goes out the window when it comes to their own financial or other interests. They live in their own universe. They are not the ones who live with a certain category of blacks and Hispanics. God no! Where is my hand sanitizer?

 

[fskimospy]

Yes decisions should happen at the lowest level. This is part of human nature.

You realize you just made that up, right? Either that or you just wasted everyone's time by stating a truism. Lower levels are sometimes good, sometimes bad. Dumb housing policy

In this case the liberal local governments should definitely be allowed to continue to screw the residents.

Abusing zoning is not unique to liberals or conservatives, it is mostly an attribute of wealthy people wanting to protect their investments and lifestyle. That is unless I missed some clamoring by rich conservatives to upzone their communities that you can link?

As for the local governments being allowed to continue to screw the residents, of course they shouldn't. Don't be silly!

Local governments are creations of the state and are entirely subservient to its interests. Individually rational decisions where local homeowners increase their own wealth through exclusionary zoning. In addition, one community deciding to upzone likely doesn't solve the overall problem while imposing costs on that one area. Individually rational decisions that cause macro level problems like this are tailor made for a higher level solution.

I think at one point you claimed to be a libertarian, which would explain a lot. Most people are libertarians until they sit down and logically think through the implications.

As usual the rich liberals supposed care for people goes out the window when it comes to their own financial or other interests. They live in their own universe. They are not the ones who live with a certain category of blacks and Hispanics. God no! Where is my hand sanitizer?

Hahaha, remember when you complained about people making generalizations? That was funny. Do you have literally any self-awareness?

 

[hal2kilo]

When the derp hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a derpy.

To paraphrase Blazzing Saddles. Folks that there was some pure Incorruptible derp.

 

[MrSquished]

Gosh, some of you guys really have a chip on your shoulders. What I was saying had absolutely nothing to do with any of the above. Zilch. I said it, I was not talking sense of entitlement in the political sense. I was talking in the everyday sense. The attitude and all. And oh by the way, this is more prevalent in people born and raised here than among the immigrants. So take your make believe theory above and make a paper plane out of it. That was one idiotic post even by the left's already low intellectual standards.

You specifically pointed out that period of history where all those things happened I mentioned. So when exactly did we change? Those are bellweather events where people accused the other side of being 'entitled' to things that some felt they didn't deserve. Go ahead, give me a two-decade range or something.

All those events I mentioned are very tied into us talking about a livable wage and other socio-economic justice movements. They are simply a logical progression from ending slavery, getting civil rights for women and blacks, fighting discrimination against minorities, fighting for the rights of labor, etc....A livable minimum wage is one of the major pieces of the puzzle left for the 'entitled' attitude you criticize. That is the logical progression of the progressive movement that accomplished all the things I mentioned.

What else is left besides economic justice of which a livable minimum wage is the main component? Universal health insurance/care, criminal justice and prison reform, and some social justice issues such as continuing the fight for gay rights.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yes but during the times of the founders and till much later on, Americans didn’t have the kind of attitude and sense of entitlement that is present now. And I’m not talking about entitlements in the political sense. But the left won’t take about these issues. For obvious cynical reasons

Uh, WTF, you really don't know history for shit if you think that. The country was literally founded on the belief that we're entitled to certain freedoms.

Also, ever hear of Manifest Destiny?

I take if some of you don't actually know much about Teddy Roosevelt beyond he was a dapper sumbitch that'd strangle a grizzly bear to death his his bare hands just so he'd have something soft to wipe his ass with after taking a shit on pansy ass libruls? Funny that he actively worked to break apart the monopolistic and oligarchic businesses that had taken control of a lot of areas in the US.

You do know that women and people of color have been fighting for equality, which almost always includes in economic means for the entirety of America's existence, right? Those entitled socialist brats, how dare they want equal economic opportunity, right?

This "entitlement mentality" that you're bitching about hasn't just been present throughout the entirety of the United States of America as a country, but it was often the impetus behind huge historical events.

Goddamn it gets old talking to some of you shit for brains that either don't know jack shit or are willfully acting as fucking dumb as possible so as to not undermine whatever dumb stupid idiotic bullshit you're peddling. Ironically it does do that, and actually highlights how stupid your arguments tend to be.

Gee, I wonder why people won't talk to you when you consistently show you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and/or are not having actual honest debates. You want people to discuss things with you when you're showing you don't even have enough knowledge of things to be able to discuss them properly. Indeed there are obvious cynical reasons for it. Its because anyone being remotely cynical will see that they're right to distrust others with regards to you and your bullshit arguments. Its really fucking obvious. Holy shit, you were actually dead on for a change. Granted, that's clearly not what you were meaning, so its a case of you spouting words, thinking they fit your argument, when they actually perfectly undermine it and show your argument is fundamentally flawed because its based on your ignorance.

 

[hal2kilo]

It really simple. Does Jeff Bezos advocate for things like lowering estate taxes. Don't think so. Has the Wall family and Koch family funded endless lobbying to basically get rid of estate taxes? Does Buffet, or Bill Gate for that matter. See this is really where the metal meets the road for the differences between wealthy liberals and wealthy conservatives. Conservatives really believe in divine destiny.

 

[Thebobo]

They can coin any term they want for him, he treats his workers like absolute shit, like a standard capitalist, republican, or libertarian

Know anyone who works for Amazon? How did you come to that conclusion?

 

[Noah Abrams]

Uh, WTF, you really don't know history for shit if you think that. The country was literally founded on the belief that we're entitled to certain freedoms.

Gawwwd!!! Freedom is not an entitlement!!! You have got it entirely backwards! Man I feel bad for liberalism these days.

And as I have said and repeated here, I was talking in the sense of every day attitude and sense of entitlement which you guys can't seem to get through your thick heads! And by the way this attitude is more present in whites than in minorities or immigrants. So please you guys take your lectures and shove them where they belong..ha!

 

[glenn1]

Appreciate your story and condolences for your loss.

That being said I think your story is a cautionary one. I have always thought that a one size fits all approach to a minimum living wage was not workable to to variables in cost of living. But that still doesn't mean a minimum living wage shouldn't exist, just that it has to be more complicated, perhaps tied to a COL index or something the experts can figure out. But that is a technicality - it's just easier for a movement to tie itself to a '$15/hr living wage mantra' vs 'there should be a living wage tied to the cost of living and other economic indicators based upon geography and other factors'. Hopefully when it gets to actual legislation all this is figured out.

The other thing is the perceived value of work you assign to things. We are taught that a lot of work that is mindless and simple is simply not worthy of much compensation. When in reality that is a shit ton of the jobs around us. And they can't just be filled in by the part-time schedules of students going to high-school, college or a trade school. That is just way too idealistic. As you go about your day count the jobs that you feel anyone can do and they will be a lot. A lot will be full-time. And then think if you feel it is honest work. And then do you feel that these people are worthy of earning some sort of basic living that includes some sort of reasonable and clean living space, transportation (whether public or a car), food that is not just the cheapest crap, and then some sort of extra for entertainment. And then ask yourself if they deserve healthcare.

Today going about my day I encountered or passed people doing simple work such as bus drivers, a receptionist, bartender, doorman/security, cashiers, day laborers, cleaning/janitorial staff, retail floor staff, cooks, taxi drivers and more. I couldn't think of one job I didn't feel they deserved a living wage for an honest job PLUS health insurance. Why do hard working people not deserve health insurance? They aren't lazy parasites. A lot of these jobs can be done by many people but they are still work. And can really drain you from the repetitiveness of the labor for sure. If that's all you ever dream of doing, that's ok. There will be plenty of others striving for more because there will be plenty more to get.

If a living wage compresses the pay scale then people won't get the training necessary to do those other jobs, they will be forced to pay more as an incentive. That's an experiment I'd be glad to make instead of looking down upon those who work good honest jobs and have to live sub-standard lives.

I don’t give a damn about what kind of housing, transportation, etc a worker has. I care about “is this job worth paying someone N dollars/hour to do?” If the answer is no then their wage will be zero per hour and their housing situation not changed at all.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don’t give a damn about what kind of housing, transportation, etc a worker has. I care about “is this job worth paying someone N dollars/hour to do?” If the answer is no then their wage will be zero per hour and their housing situation not changed at all.

Of course. It's all about you, all the time.

 

[ivwshane]

Know anyone who works for Amazon? How did you come to that conclusion?

There have been many stories about how Amazon treats their employees. Anecdotally, I know people who worked at whole foods and how terrible Amazon is after they bought them.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how...hXLrlQKHSQnB84Q_AUIDigA&biw=375&bih=559&dpr=2

 

[Noah Abrams]

Anecdotally, I know people who worked at whole foods and how terrible Amazon is after they bought them.

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Tell us more? If that’s ok.

 

[Puffnstuff]

There have been many stories about how Amazon treats their employees. Anecdotally, I know people who worked at whole foods and how terrible Amazon is after they bought them.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how...hXLrlQKHSQnB84Q_AUIDigA&biw=375&bih=559&dpr=2

When I did a compensation and benefits SWOT on them last year they still had one of the highest turn over rates in Silicon Valley with an 18 month tenure. They use restricted stocks for employee matching rather than cash with a vestment scheme of 5% year 1, 15% year 2 and 40% for years 3 and 4. I had a guy on my crew a few years ago who came from their HQ and he said it was a miserable place.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

That was one idiotic post even by the left's already low intellectual standards.

Sometimes liberals are dumb with low intellectual standards, but other times they are "ivory tower" elitist in an intellectual bubble. I'm so confused! Are we too smart, or too dumb?

Posting peer-reviewed papers on the actual, measured effects of a increase in minimum wage (hint: not much) is elitists nonsense that can't be trusted. But "feeling" that people (not you of course) are more entitled these days shows rock-solid intellectual rigor, and anyone who refute it is an idiot.

Let me guess; kids don't respect their parents anymore either, and rock music will make them all criminals?