Jeb Bush On The Move!

[TheGardener]

Jeb Bush is the one candidate that Democrats say would be the smartest nomination for the Republican Party. At least they were saying this 6 months back. According to conservative pundit, Charles Krauthammer, Bush may have made big gains in the debate this week.

So is Bush someone that the Progressives could put their arms around and vote for? He seems to support many of your core issues.

http://www.businessinsider.com/krauthammer-jeb-bush-fox-debate-2016-1?op=1

 

[Subyman]

Jeb is a business-as-usual candidate. So if you are doing well right now and feel America is fine (which for the most part it is) then he's probably your guy.

 

[Shaun_Brannen]

Jeb Bush is the one candidate that Democrats say would be the smartest nomination for the Republican Party. At least they were saying this 6 months back. According to conservative pundit, Charles Krauthammer, Bush may have made big gains in the debate this week.

So is Bush someone that the Progressives could put their arms around and vote for? He seems to support many of your core issues.

http://www.businessinsider.com/krauthammer-jeb-bush-fox-debate-2016-1?op=1

Vote for, over who? Bush instead of Trump? Any day. Bush instead of Cruz? Certainly. But that's about it...

Jeb is a business-as-usual candidate. So if you are doing well right now and feel America is fine (which for the most part it is) then he's probably your guy.

Income inequality is higher than it was before the Great Depression. America is only fine if you are blissfully unaware of how terrible it is if you fall out of the middle class.

Unfortunately, most Americans including yourself are clueless. Younger ones don't get their news from establishment-approved sources, so they actually have an idea of what's going on. For everyone else, their news consists of "everything is just fine and dandy, pay no attention to the the growing mass of poor people!"

 

[TheGardener]

Vote for, over who? Bush instead of Trump? Any day. Bush instead of Cruz? Certainly. But that's about it...

Relax. Just a little sarcasm. Though I am expecting some delicious Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) replies. Real foaming at the mouth.

 

[Shaun_Brannen]

Relax. Just a little sarcasm. Though I am expecting some delicious Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) replies. Real foaming at the mouth.

He's no worse than Hillary, or any other establishment candidate. But we don't need an establishment candidate... the establishment has America convinced everything is alright, meanwhile America is headed straight for a cliff.

I think Bush #3 is left of Bush #1 and #2 though (isn't he?), so I don't think he'd be as bad. But we need major changes. We won't get them, though, so the system will just have to correct itself (bye bye, upper class).

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

So is Bush someone that the Progressives could put their arms around and vote for? He seems to support many of your core issues.

Uh, no he doesn't. The article only mentions immigration, and even that's iffy.

I think Bush #3 is left of Bush #1 and #2 though (isn't he?)

No, and by virtue of this, yes, he's worse than Hillary.

Trump is the only one that supports any core progressive issues, he just hides them real well under his very regressive anger and bigotry.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/07/25/3684164/case-for-donald-trump/
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-progressive-champion
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252949-warren-i-agree-with-trump-on-taxes
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/opinion/paul-krugman-trump-is-right-on-economics.html?_r=0

Now is Trump worse than Hillary? That's a closer call.

 

[Shaun_Brannen]

I knew he used to support universal healthcare... I didn't know he still did, though.

Okay, maybe Trump isn't totally the end of the world like I'd thought. He still needs a muzzle, though.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Laugh, but Bush is gonna pop out a victory at the last second. it will be like the Bills vs Oilers in 1993 with a 32 point comeback.

 

[theeedude]

Jeb Bush is redundant.

 

[Shaun_Brannen]

Laugh, but Bush is gonna pop out a victory at the last second. it will be like the Bills vs Oilers in 1993 with a 32 point comeback.

Polls are notoriously untrustworthy. It'll be interesting to see how Iowa goes next week.

Everyone is going to be shitting their pants this election, myself included.

 

[glenn1]

Not hard to move when you're at 3.8% in the Iowa polls, maybe he'll get all the way up to 5% with his newfound momentum.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html

 

[TheGardener]

Polls are notoriously untrustworthy. It'll be interesting to see how Iowa goes next week.

I agree with what you say about polls. People have all kinds of reasons for favoring or despising politicians. Those reasons are subject to change based on who is ahead (deemed electable), who is getting the most publicity, looks (yes, Trump was right about Fiorina, no matter how tasteless the comment was), is he bald?, gender, racial or ethnic affiliation or likes/dislikes, religion (I include atheism in the mix) and regional bias. Of course political views are a part of it all, though this might be a sub-category of region. Sometimes the media succeeds with a gotcha question and response, that the politician cannot recover from. Trump certainly has confounded pundits beyond the pale in this regard. So given that this process has gone on for about a year, and we are still a month out until Super Tuesday, everything is subject to change on a weekly basis.

 

[Sonikku]

Jeb Bush is the one candidate that Democrats say would be the smartest nomination for the Republican Party. At least they were saying this 6 months back. According to conservative pundit, Charles Krauthammer, Bush may have made big gains in the debate this week.

So is Bush someone that the Progressives could put their arms around and vote for? He seems to support many of your core issues.

http://www.businessinsider.com/krauthammer-jeb-bush-fox-debate-2016-1?op=1

"Bush" and "Smartest" are not two words I think most Democrats would put in the same sentence. Unless it was "The Bush family is not the smartest", in which case yeah, sure.

 

[Subyman]

Unfortunately, most Americans including yourself are clueless. Younger ones don't get their news from establishment-approved sources, so they actually have an idea of what's going on. For everyone else, their news consists of "everything is just fine and dandy, pay no attention to the the growing mass of poor people!"

I guess you missed the "for the most part." America is strong. We have issues that need to be tackled, but nothing like the issues we have faced in the past (women's rights, civil rights, slavery, cold war, WWII, etc.) We have economic issues and we are still working toward equality. I agree that money has alarmingly moved toward the wealthy and that is a central issue that I will be voting on.

 

[MongGrel]

I guess you missed the "for the most part." America is strong. We have issues that need to be tackled, but nothing like the issues we have faced in the past (women's rights, civil rights, slavery, cold war, WWII, etc.) We have economic issues and we are still working toward equality. I agree that money has alarmingly moved toward the wealthy and that is a central issue that I will be voting on.

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But still not sure there is really a serious way to do that in all practicality.

The system has been borked way too long.

Trump isn't going to do it.

 

[Shaun_Brannen]

I guess you missed the "for the most part." America is strong. We have issues that need to be tackled, but nothing like the issues we have faced in the past (women's rights, civil rights, slavery, cold war, WWII, etc.) We have economic issues and we are still working toward equality. I agree that money has alarmingly moved toward the wealthy and that is a central issue that I will be voting on.

Alright, sorry about making that assumption.

It doesn't matter who we elect though, as far as that goes -- we're past the point of feasible return. The market will collapse, the dollar will increase in value, and the result will be the middle and lower classes having much more purchasing power.

I just hope the finger gets pointed in the right direction this time.

 

[master_shake_]

if you don't elect JEB!, you'll never find the WMD's in iraq.

they say the third time is the charm.

 

[Subyman]

+1

But still not sure there is really a serious way to do that in all practicality.

The system has been borked way too long.

Trump isn't going to do it.

IMO, the capitalist system tends toward clumping of wealth around few individuals with proper regulations. This notoriously happened during the industrial revolution and the government had to step in. Anti-competitive regulations continued to build through the 50s and 60's until they began to be whittled away until here we are today with the same issue rearing its head.

There isn't one clear path, but a lot of fixes that need to be made.

 

[Moonbeam]

IMO, the capitalist system tends toward clumping of wealth around few individuals with proper regulations. This notoriously happened during the industrial revolution and the government had to step in. Anti-competitive regulations continued to build through the 50s and 60's until they began to be whittled away until here we are today with the same issue rearing its head.

There isn't one clear path, but a lot of fixes that need to be made.

If you are right about what you say in your post then at least one thing will be required for anything to be done, and that is there will have to be a recognition and action or some terrible catastrophe that causes the truth of that to change. The best solution, I think, if for people to see the truth of what you are saying.

 

[TheGardener]

Jeb needs those signs that light up to say "Applaud", like they have at those TV talk shows. Instead he says "please clap". Next up "please vote for me".

http://www.mediaite.com/print/jeb-bush-has-to-tell-new-hampshire-crowd-please-clap/

 

[Jaepheth]

I'd vote for Eisenhower's corpse before any of the current Republican runners.

 

[TheGardener]

Jeb got 2.8% of the Republican vote in Iowa. That is lower than the polls suggested. On a bright note, Jeb contributed to the Iowa economy. He and his super PAC spent $14.9 million in Iowa per MSNBC. That doesn't include what Jeb outside of Iowa for campaigning.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/jeb-spends-2884-per-iowa-vote/article/2000869

 

[BoberFett]

Jeb needs those signs that light up to say "Applaud", like they have at those TV talk shows. Instead he says "please clap". Next up "please vote for me".

http://www.mediaite.com/print/jeb-bush-has-to-tell-new-hampshire-crowd-please-clap/

LOL, those kids in the back look like they want to slit their wrists.

 

[TheGardener]

Meant to create a new topic for this subject, but maybe putting it here with the Jeb loser is okay.

I didn't even know that Santorum was still officially a candidate until yesterday. This is as big news as that Democrat candidate that dropped out two months ago. Be damned if I can remember his name. Oh ya, Jim Webb.

Same article says that Huckabee dropped out yesterday. Rand Paul suspended his campaign this morning. That's the same as dropping out.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/rick-santorum-dropping-presidential-bid/index.html


Next up Fiorina. But we'll likely see her drop out after the New Hampshire primary. Read she skipped her own Iowa caucus party. Nothing like not supporting and thanking her people.

 

[MongGrel]

I'd vote for Eisenhower's corpse before any of the current Republican runners.

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