Jeb Bush on Climate Change. WTF???

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Harvey

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I didn't think it was possible that Jeb could be dumber than his brother. I may have to rethink that. :rolleyes:

Global warming debate heats up as Jeb Bush clashes with President Obama

Jeb Bush acknowledges climate change – but doesn't consider a problem of 'highest priority.'

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"Look, first of all, the climate is changing. I don't think the science is clear what percentage is man-made and what percentage is natural. It's convoluted. And for the people to say the science is decided on, this is just really arrogant, to be honest with you," he said.
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Reading the whole article doesn't make him look any better. The stupid gene runs deep and dominant in this family. :p
 
glenn1

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Harvey said:
I didn't think it was possible that Jeb could be dumber than his brother. I may have to rethink that. :rolleyes
Reading the whole article doesn't make him look any better. The stupid gene runs deep and dominant in this family. :p
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Why, because he doesn't want to enact some "cure" to climate change that's worse than the problem it's trying to solve?
 
glenn1

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gradoman said:
No, because he won't follow the consensus (convoluted? Please.) that says we are causing this problem. How is not having a habitable planet not a top priority? What is more important than that?
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Please show any reference anywhere that says climate change is making the planet uninhabitable. Certain parts will be more or less hospitable as climate changes just as always (see Iceland over the centuries for a good example). But giving up several percent of global GDP in perpetuity would not only be pointless but actually counterproductive in an eventual solution to the problem. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use energy saving means when it makes sense to do so, but the idea that we'll replace oil usage with renewables is a joke given current technologies.
 
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alcoholbob

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I don't mind the government adding carbon taxes to the private sector if it will apply those same regulations to itself and limit military adventurism and all the pollution it causes. Of course that's always the catch--ruling class is exempt.
 
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It must be really something to know that if you tell the truth about something you can't win an election but if you don't face that same truth it could spell disaster for the planet in general. In order to win as a Republican you have to not be worthy of it. Nice.
 
pcgeek11

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I agree with him. It is not a fact what percentage is man made and what is natural. And even then what are you going to do about it when China etc... are not going to change squat. Not much we can do as a country.
 
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Screech

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Fascinating to watch him try to simultaneously position himself to for the national election ("[T]he climate is changing,") but also for the republican primary (" I don't think the science is clear what percentage is man-made and what percentage is natural. It's convoluted. And for the people to say the science is decided on, this is just really arrogant, to be honest with you,"). That said, his statements are not, rigorously speaking, incorrect, ie, we don't know what percentage EXACTLY is man made to an arbitrary degree of exactness. Granted, its a kinda douchy way to be correct, but even so......

Of course, Climate Science is a bit of a misnomer anyway (Climate Applied Math is correct, Climate Science is dubious at best) but that is another discussion ;)
 
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On the one side you have arrogance, and on the other side just plain stupidity.
But in this case with Jeb, it's neither.
Jeb is just being a schmuck sucking up to his base.

After last weeks screw up on the Iraq war thing, Jeb immediately followed with some good old reliable gay bashing in hopes of ass kissing his base.
After all, after Iraq thing Jeb isn't going to make that mistake again, hopefully he hopes.
Which brings us to Jeb himself.

It didn't take long to see how this slick willy con artist operates.
Would anyone want this guy as president?
Senior Bush was predictably out of touch.
And GW was predictably stupid.
Jeb? He is predictably just your average suck-up.

But old Jeb isn't that hard to see thru. He is exactly like his brother regardless of how he twists and re twists his answers. And Jeb is just as out of touch as was his daddy.
And that is all you really need to know about what makes a Jeb Bush.
 
WhipperSnapper

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Can't wait to hear what he has to say about Rape and Abortion.

"Another Republican said what? What?!? About Rape and Abortion?!?"
 
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Moonbeam said:
It must be really something to know that if you tell the truth about something you can't win an election but if you don't face that same truth it could spell disaster for the planet in general. In order to win as a Republican you have to not be worthy of it. Nice.
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Now you know why the Human Race will eventually drive itself to extinction or at least to a massive population crash.
 
Bitek

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He's right. We just don't know the numbers. It could be 93, 95 or even 98%.
We just don't know.

How can we do anything until we understand this with extreme levels of precision?
 
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Global warming - the best thing that has happened to the planet since the last Ice Age.
 
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realibrad

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glenn1 said:
Why, because he doesn't want to enact some "cure" to climate change that's worse than the problem it's trying to solve?
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He could admit the problem is real and seems very dangerous, and admit that we have not yet gained enough knowledge to know how to deal with it. The science is decided on 2 things.
Its happening

With the current technology and the way the world is set up, a lot of people would die because food production is not set up for a warmer climate.

Could we mitigate some of the problems, yes. But, if things pick up, then market adjustments could be very painful. There is also the fact that we really know very little about what a changing of currents could do to the planet. Those ice caps melt, and the currents will change. We know some areas will become farm land, but because we don't know where the currents will push weather patterns, its hard to know where other farm land will be.

We really are meddling with things we don't fully understand. The little we do know seems to look pretty bad.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
I agree with him. It is not a fact what percentage is man made and what is natural. And even then what are you going to do about it when China etc... are not going to change squat. Not much we can do as a country.
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The way he worded it is hard to dispute. I don't know of many studies that try to determine exactly how much contribution is man-made versus natural and furthermore try to assign a precise percentage to that data. What he does is word it so that his point is meaningless. He hedges his comments so he can back away from them if the politics change in the future. The true question we need to know from him is if he believes climate change is being driven at least partially by human influence and if he plans to help deal with the issue while in office.
 
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Genx87

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I see Harvey is making a comeback now that the potential for another Bush to violate our rights is on the horizon. So silent for the last 6 years while the current admin abused our rights.
 
rudeguy

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Genx87 said:
I see Harvey is making a comeback now that the potential for another Bush to violate our rights is on the horizon. So silent for the last 6 years while the current admin abused our rights.
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Yep.

Its an odd combination of fear and hate. And its sad to see in action.
 
Jaskalas

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gradoman said:
No, because he won't follow the consensus (convoluted? Please.) that says we are causing this problem. How is not having a habitable planet not a top priority? What is more important than that?
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West Antarctica will melt down, and sea levels will rise a few more meters... just as they did in the Eemian. Not the climate's fault that we built major cities on ground that floods like clockwork every hundred thousand years.

If it's really bad, the deep Canadian Arctic will become temperate and support life again.
 
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