Jeanne Ives, GOP, for Illinois Governor Ad

[soundforbjt]

Illinois is a mess.

Yep, Illinois has a repub governor.

 

[woolfe9998]

If it was actually inaccurate it would be actionable by the Federal Election Commission. What action have they taken?

Is that true? I've never heard of the FEC regulating ads for accuracy. So far as I know, their role is to enforce campaign finance laws. Their role in relation to ads is to ensure that they contain disclaimers identifying who paid for the ad. When did they start monitoring political ads for accuracy?

 

[Amused]

If it was actually inaccurate it would be actionable by the Federal Election Commission. What action have they taken?

Is your ass sore from pulling this one out of it? Why in the fscking world would you make up something like this in this forum, where facts are checked with unerring accuracy by OCD geeks?

There is no law governing accuracy in campaign advertising. None.

https://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1843796,00.html

 

[woolfe9998]

Is your ass sore from pulling this one out of it? Why in the fscking world would you make up something like this in this forum, where facts are checked with unerring accuracy by OCD geeks?

There is no law governing accuracy in campaign advertising. None.

https://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1843796,00.html

Yes, that's what I thought. It seemed odd to me the very idea that we regulate political ads for accuracy. If that was the case, we wouldn't even be seeing half the political ads that are released because the BS quotient is so high in so many of them.

 

[Victorian Gray]

https://onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2018/02/05/dems-dead-broke-gop-cashing-in-as-elections-near

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...the-rnc-has-nearly-dollar40-million/23351693/

Democrats are outraising GOP House incumbents in dozens of races

"House Republicans have even more reason to be worried about the 2018 midterms: Democratic candidates are trouncing them in the race for campaign cash.

Newly released data from the Federal Election Commission shows that at least 55 Democratic candidates in competitive House races are raising more than the Republican incumbents they’re challenging.

More than 80 Democrats running in Republican-held districts had at least $250,000 in cash on hand at the end of 2017, according to the FEC data. Even incumbents were struggling to raise as much as their challengers; more than a dozen Republican incumbents had less cash on hand than their Democratic opponents."

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/6/16973928/house-democrats-republicans-2018-midterms-fundraising

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Only if you're a lying, racist, bigoted asshole who hates teachers and wants them to all lose their pensions because of the 2008 crash, wants to punish women for being raped and getting pregnant, want to tear apart families and penalize productive, tax paying immigrants for being brought here as children, can't understand why electricity rates had to go up because of a LONG overdue infrastructure overhaul (and the average increase was only $11) and think freedom of speech is evil.

So yeah. It's partially accurate if you're a lying asshole.

You would know.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Is your ass sore from pulling this one out of it? Why in the fscking world would you make up something like this in this forum, where facts are checked with unerring accuracy by OCD geeks?

There is no law governing accuracy in campaign advertising. None.

https://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1843796,00.html

I didn't know they had the same rules as the press. LSNED.

 

[ivwshane]

You would know.

He would because like most of us here we recognize you and the cheeto puff whose cheeto puff would gladly suck on, as the lying assholes that you are.

Case in point? Your complete inability to recognize and accept facts when pointed out to you, like was done in this very thread.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Democrats are assholes.

poor persecuted tajjy.

 

[bshole]

Democrats are outraising GOP House incumbents in dozens of races

"House Republicans have even more reason to be worried about the 2018 midterms: Democratic candidates are trouncing them in the race for campaign cash.

Newly released data from the Federal Election Commission shows that at least 55 Democratic candidates in competitive House races are raising more than the Republican incumbents they’re challenging.

More than 80 Democrats running in Republican-held districts had at least $250,000 in cash on hand at the end of 2017, according to the FEC data. Even incumbents were struggling to raise as much as their challengers; more than a dozen Republican incumbents had less cash on hand than their Democratic opponents."

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/6/16973928/house-democrats-republicans-2018-midterms-fundraising

Don't get too excited, only 40 million of the 400 million (10%) came from small donors. All the rest came from large monied interests. When a few people pay for 90% of the candidate's costs, it is a little hard to believe that there won't be consequences in the legislation the candidate supports.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You would know.

actually, we all know that you're a lying asshole

 

[Victorian Gray]

Don't get too excited, only 40 million of the 400 million (10%) came from small donors. All the rest came from large monied interests. When a few people pay for 90% of the candidate's costs, it is a little hard to believe that there won't be consequences in the legislation the candidate supports.

I'm not excited in the least. Simply presenting some info to counter an attempt at disinformation.

 

[Jhhnn]

Don't get too excited, only 40 million of the 400 million (10%) came from small donors. All the rest came from large monied interests. When a few people pay for 90% of the candidate's costs, it is a little hard to believe that there won't be consequences in the legislation the candidate supports.

That's not accurate, given that the cutoff between large & small donors is only $200 & there's a $2600 limit per person per candidate. That's where the numbers come from, not from the big money under the surface in PAC's & so forth.

What's really happening is that a lot of more affluent Dems are deeply upset about Trump & the current state of affairs. It's an abomination, an assault on common decency & mutual respect we need rather desperately. It's not hard to get them to put their money where their mouth is, not in the face of that.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

He would because like most of us here we recognize you and the cheeto puff whose cheeto puff would gladly suck on, as the lying assholes that you are.

Case in point? Your complete inability to recognize and accept facts when pointed out to you, like was done in this very thread.

Sorry boy, but I admitted I learned something new. I eagerly await your recognition and admittance of it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

poor persecuted tajjy.

It doesn't make it any less true.

 

[Jhhnn]

It doesn't make it any less true.

Yeh, Democrat assholes & their fucking facts...

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yeh, Democrat assholes & their fucking facts...

farts? yeah, those just make it worse.

 

[bbhaag]

As a resident of Illinois and a small business owner in the state I'm really nervous about this upcoming election. How long can we as a state keep spending money we don't have and the only solutions offered by our state leaders are raising taxes to cover it. We are loosing business' and residents faster than any other state in the nation and the whole pension debacle has us by the short and curlies. Yet not a single politician on either side has the cajones to tell people that cutting their state pension is necessary for the long term financial health of Illinois. Then pile on the All Kids Care program and.......God this state is just a mess from top to bottom.

 

[Jhhnn]

As a resident of Illinois and a small business owner in the state I'm really nervous about this upcoming election. How long can we as a state keep spending money we don't have and the only solutions offered by our state leaders are raising taxes to cover it. We are loosing business' and residents faster than any other state in the nation and the whole pension debacle has us by the short and curlies. Yet not a single politician on either side has the cajones to tell people that cutting their state pension is necessary for the long term financial health of Illinois. Then pile on the All Kids Care program and.......God this state is just a mess from top to bottom.

Which justifies the hate & lies in the ad in what way, exactly? That kind of bullshit obviously won't solve any problems.

 

[bbhaag]

Which justifies the hate & lies in the ad in what way, exactly? That kind of bullshit obviously won't solve any problems.

I know you're right it doesn't.....I was just voicing my frustration with the whole mess we are in.

 

[compcons]

... For ever red state that has fiscal problems, there is a blue state that has fiscal problems.

This is true, but the intent is different.

I think the point was that Kansas was some sort of Conservative ideal game plan for showing the country how great it was going to be. The deck was stacked fully in their favor and they got to do what they wanted to do. It hasn't worked out that way. Kansas GOP laid out a plan and the outcome has failed. There are no excuses. The planned and achieved end-state is flawed.

On the contrary, most other states managed to get to their crappy condition with decades of bad decisions, no unified plan, and political in-fighting. They all just sort of ended up in that condition.

The current conditions may be similar, but one state got to where they were going on purpose. It was the desired outcome.

EH

 

[Greenman]

Don't get too excited, only 40 million of the 400 million (10%) came from small donors. All the rest came from large monied interests. When a few people pay for 90% of the candidate's costs, it is a little hard to believe that there won't be consequences in the legislation the candidate supports.

Hush, you're not supposed to say that. Democrats are the champions of the little guy, the defenders of the downtrodden, the glorious guardians of good. When they take buckets of corporate cash it's ok because they only take it from the nice company's that mouth all of the appropriate platitudes.

 

[pete6032]

Yet not a single politician on either side has the cajones to tell people that cutting their state pension is necessary for the long term financial health of Illinois.

Cutting pension benefits is not the answer.

1. The state cut pension benefits in 2010. The average benefit cost for a tier 2 employee is 7 percent of salary. That is not out of line with the private sector.

2. By far the most significant pension cost is from tier 1 employees who have already accrued their benefits. You can't change their benefits because they have already earned them. You still have to pay those tier 1 benefits no matter what. Further cutting pension benefits for new employees does nothing to pay for benefits that have already been accrued.

 

[pete6032]

This is true, but the intent is different.

I think the point was that Kansas was some sort of Conservative ideal game plan for showing the country how great it was going to be. The deck was stacked fully in their favor and they got to do what they wanted to do. It hasn't worked out that way. Kansas GOP laid out a plan and the outcome has failed. There are no excuses. The planned and achieved end-state is flawed.

On the contrary, most other states managed to get to their crappy condition with decades of bad decisions, no unified plan, and political in-fighting. They all just sort of ended up in that condition.

The current conditions may be similar, but one state got to where they were going on purpose. It was the desired outcome.

EH

I agree, Kansas became the great GOP experiment, and has clearly failed. There is a fundamental difference between states getting into bad financial situations because of A) political gridlock/lack of a long-term vision, or B) Imposing policy reforms that clearly lead to financial destruction. Kansas falls under B).

 

[Jhhnn]

Hush, you're not supposed to say that. Democrats are the champions of the little guy, the defenders of the downtrodden, the glorious guardians of good. When they take buckets of corporate cash it's ok because they only take it from the nice company's that mouth all of the appropriate platitudes.

Money? When did Dems enable more money in politics, particularly untraceable money? When was the last time the Dems raided the Treasury to give the money to the Rich? When were they Hell bent on screwing over innocent people because of their immigration status? When did they try to squeeze the life out of programs that help millions of Americans? When did they attack the institutions of the govt of the people? When did they refuse their constitutional duty to give a SCOTUS nominee a fair hearing? When did Dems gloat over giving anybody a buck fifty a week tax cut? I mean, whoever did that was the real champion of the people, huh?

This "They're just as bad!" routine is both tedious & dishonest.