Jay Cutler wins 2009 Mr. Olympia!!!

[redgtxdi]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/index.html

Not much up yet, just "Jay Wins!" but I'll say this........he absolutely owned the field this year. Branch looked great too, but the two of them next to eachother, there's just no denying that Jay was in unbelievable condition!!

Acceptance speech.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmn3l_sMERM

Prejudging.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx0W0GSLfsU

 

[Ksyder]

Good for Jay Cutler... he deserves a 3rd Olympia win. However, I personally wish they would encourage more aesthetic physiques such as Dexter Jackson who won last year. Branch is an absolute freak and I'm happy that he got to place that high. Dexter kind of shot himself in the foot with his somewhat bad attitude to the fans and such.

 

[skeems]

i met cutler a couple months ago in las vegas he seemed like a nice guy, hes HUGE, shorter than expected though

 

[MotF Bane]

I thought this was about the Bears QB.

 

[SP33Demon]

I remember reading an article about him about 4 years ago where he said he gets winded just walking down the stairs. That's a LOT of mass for a 5-9 frame. In addition he wakes up at 3am every night to protein load... and eats a ridiculous amount of fish and egg whites.

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I thought this was about the Bears QB.

x2

 

[surfsatwerk]

I admire the work it takes to get this big, but damn it can't be comfortable to walk around that huge.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I admire the work it takes to get this big, but damn that can't be comfortable to walk around that huge.

+ steroid injections.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I thought this was about the Bears QB.

x2

same

 

[Eric62]

Originally posted by: Kipper

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I admire the work it takes to get this big, but damn that can't be comfortable to walk around that huge.

+ steroid injections.

I'm sure that's the only reason he's Mr Olympia, and you're a pencil neck...

It was a good thread by the OP until the haters had to take a dump on the accomplishments of others.

 

[presidentender]

Originally posted by: Eric62

Originally posted by: Kipper

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I admire the work it takes to get this big, but damn that can't be comfortable to walk around that huge.

+ steroid injections.

I'm sure that's the only reason he's Mr Olympia, and you're a pencil neck...

It was a good thread by the OP until the haters had to take a dump on the accomplishments of others.

"Accomplishment"? Psh, everyone knows they could look like that if they did steroids. Genetics, nutrition, and training are immaterial. The only reason I don't look like a Kai Green/Frank Zane hybrid is that they do 'roids and I don't. Yep, that's all.

 

[Eric62]

I'm reasonably certain that if I'd had meet Victor Conte of BALCO before Barry Bonds did, I would be the home run champ - LOL. Hell, who needs eye hand coordination, innate abilities, and 40 hours of week to practice those abilities when you're "juiced". Bwahaha...

Seriously: I often train at the same Gym as Cutler for the last 5 + years. I'm not saying we're friends - I powerlift (we're semi-segregated), and he bodybuilds (they break less equipment as a general rule), but there's no doubt he trains his guts out, is humble towards others (once offered to help my chubby training partner put on his deadlift suit - lol), and he ALWAYS puts away his weights. I have mad respect for him. AND appreciate everyone that has the decency to put away their weights.

BTW: Kai Green gave me a T-Shirt last Friday. Wacky outgoing personality.
Frank Zane is a pencil neck now (didn't see him this year). Never was huge, and carried the moniker of "the chemist" in his prime. He had a great physique (awesome vacuum pose), and his chemistry was likely a small factor in his success.

My point: If you don't like a sport fine, but don't try to blame your lack of success in any endeavor due to the assumed drug use of others. That's a loser mentality, IMO.

 

[brikis98]

Originally posted by: Eric62

Originally posted by: Kipper

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I admire the work it takes to get this big, but damn that can't be comfortable to walk around that huge.

+ steroid injections.

I'm sure that's the only reason he's Mr Olympia, and you're a pencil neck...

It was a good thread by the OP until the haters had to take a dump on the accomplishments of others.

I think you're over-reacting a bit. First of all, who are these multiple "haters" you refer to? Scanning the replies, I see a number of reasonable comments, a few people who thought it was about the QB, and just one comment about steroids. Second, I think Kipper is right: Cutler is that big not just because he put in "the work it takes to get this big" (as surfsatwerk said) but also because he takes steroids. Now don't misinterpret that: the vast majority of people who take steroids could still never compete in professional bodybuilding and would look nothing like Cutler. However, the inverse is unfortunately also true: you pretty much can't compete in professional bodybuilding WITHOUT taking steroids no matter how much effort you put in.

And IMO, that's really the problem: steroids don't allow for an even playing field. If you want to compete at the elite levels of bodybuilding, you almost have to take them, or you're at a huge disadvantage versus those that do, even if you're putting in the same crazy amounts of effort. This is a crappy situation for anyone who doesn't want to inject their body with chemicals whether or not you believe they could have negative side effects (sadly, there is surprisingly little research about this). And finally, if we keep developing crazier steroids, the sport goes from being a battle of blood, sweat and effort of the competitors to a battle of dudes in lab coats producing the next best drug. And where does it stop? If a little steroids is accepted by the community, what if they develop a steroid that does turn an average Joe into Cutler with no effort? Would you still enjoy the sport then?

Of course, this same steroid issue exists not just in the BB world, but also in many other sports, including baseball, football, powerlifting, track & field, etc.

 

[presidentender]

Originally posted by: brikis98

And IMO, that's really the problem: steroids don't allow for an even playing field. If you want to compete at the elite levels of bodybuilding, you almost have to take them, or you're at a huge disadvantage versus those that do, even if you're putting in the same crazy amounts of effort. This is a crappy situation for anyone who doesn't want to inject their body with chemicals whether or not you believe they could have negative side effects (sadly, there is surprisingly little research about this). And finally, if we keep developing crazier steroids, the sport goes from being a battle of blood, sweat and effort of the competitors to a battle of dudes in lab coats producing the next best drug. And where does it stop? If a little steroids is accepted by the community, what if they develop a steroid that does turn an average Joe into Cutler with no effort? Would you still enjoy the sport then?

IMO, this is really a problem: weight training doesn't allow for a level playing field. If you want to compete at the elite levels of bodybuilding, you almost have to lift, or you're at a huge disadvantage versus those that do, even if you're eating the same crazy amounts of protein. This is a crappy situation for anyone who doesn't want to wreck their joints with strain whether or not you believe that could have negative side effects (and there is research on this).

Not that I'm in favor of steroids. I'm not. But to disallow a competitive edge is, essentially, to turn your sport's top performers into cheaters. This is true of almost every pro sport out there (see: Baseball).

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[brikis98]

Originally posted by: presidentender
IMO, this is really a problem: weight training doesn't allow for a level playing field. If you want to compete at the elite levels of bodybuilding, you almost have to lift, or you're at a huge disadvantage versus those that do, even if you're eating the same crazy amounts of protein. This is a crappy situation for anyone who doesn't want to wreck their joints with strain whether or not you believe that could have negative side effects (and there is research on this).

Not that I'm in favor of steroids. I'm not. But to disallow a competitive edge is, essentially, to turn your sport's top performers into cheaters. This is true of almost every pro sport out there (see: Baseball).

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I don't think that's a reasonable analogy. Resistance training IS the sport of bodybuilding in the same way that hitting/pitching/fielding IS the sport of baseball. Developing abilities in weight lifting is not some "competitive edge" - it IS the competition!

In contrast, allowing steroids is similar to creating an entirely different sport, one in which the primary skill is some scientist's ability in a chemical lab. Again, I have to bring up my rather extreme examples: imagine that some day, there was a steroid so powerful that it could make an average guy look look like Jay Cutler in a single day, or a steroid that allowed you to maintain 2% bodyfat regardless of diet. Would you allow such drugs in BB competitions? What if there was a steroid that improved your reaction time 10 fold? Would it be ok to allow that in baseball? Would they be the same sports if we did?

I think what it comes down to - and I apologize in advance for making a rather ridiculous statement, but I can't think of a better way to phrase it - is that when taken to the extreme, people who take steroids aren't entirely human anymore. Bare with me before you flip out. I do NOT mean steroid users are some kind of monsters. What I mean is that steroids are clearly changing the physical limits that all humans are naturally subject to: how much muscle mass you can carry, how much exercise you can recover from, and so on. It can be enough of a difference that those who take steroids should not compete against those who don't, in the same way that men don't compete against women. Unfortunately, this is not realistic. I'm aware that there are BB federations that are openly against steroids, but I don't know how strictly they enforce it and I don't think they are nearly as popular. And, outside of SNL skits, I don't forsee an "all steroids" division in baseball, the olympics, etc.

 

[Ksyder]

We are talking about bodybuilding competition here and not weight lifting or powerlifting. The bodies are created by weight training, diet, cardio, and drugs and supplements, not just lifting alone. To say that weight lifting is "the competition" isn't wholly true, at least not at Mr. Olympia levels. Other agents are used to create the illusion of muscle size, such as synthol, which is injected into the muscle to make it appear fuller, or implants into muscles that are hard to grow such as calves. As well, to address the cardio aspect of bodybuilding, there are drugs that magically burn fat without exercise such as DNP.

The point is that bodybuilding is essentially a modeling competition. The lifts in the gym, the hours of cardio and the months of dieting are completely irrelevant at the point the bodybuilder steps on stage. At the level of Mr. Olympia there is alot more going on than just lifting and food beyond what is considered legal. The reality is that the competitors that get into legal trouble for steroids don't do as well because there is proof that they used steroids. The guys that are superficially squeaky clean have better careers. An example is Christian Boeving, who admitted he took steroids on the movie Bigger Stronger Faster and subsequently lost his supplement contract with Muscletech. Another is Victor Martinez, who most people thought should have beat Jay Cutler in 2007 but instead got 2nd. Why? Because they would never give the Mr. Olympia title to a convicted steroid felon.

 

[brikis98]

Originally posted by: Ksyder
We are talking about bodybuilding competition here and not weight lifting or powerlifting. The bodies are created by weight training, diet, cardio, and drugs and supplements, not just lifting alone. To say that weight lifting is "the competition" isn't wholly true, at least not at Mr. Olympia levels. Other agents are used to create the illusion of muscle size, such as synthol, which is injected into the muscle to make it appear fuller, or implants into muscles that are hard to grow such as calves. As well, to address the cardio aspect of bodybuilding, there are drugs that magically burn fat without exercise such as DNP.

Yea, I was clearly simplifying above. As you said, there's more to bodybuilding than lifting weights, just like there's obviously more to baseball than just hitting, pitching and fielding, such as diet, strength & conditioning, etc. However, there are some things that I consider to be inherently part of the sport itself (or of being human) and some that I do not. In bodybuilding, diet + exercise clearly should be. IMO, implants, injections and steroids should not be. In baseball, leather gloves, wooden bats and baseball hats are part of the sport. Aluminum bats, spit on the ball and steroids should not be. 50 years from now, the basics of diet + exercise won't be too different and we'd still be able to enjoy the same sport. However, drugs, surgery and medicine will all be vastly advanced and if we allow them to be an integral part of our sports, all our sports will turn into the battle of scientists rather than athletes.

 

[Ksyder]

Originally posted by: brikis98
Yea, I was clearly simplifying above. As you said, there's more to bodybuilding than lifting weights, just like there's obviously more to baseball than just hitting, pitching and fielding, such as diet, strength & conditioning, etc. However, there are some things that I consider to be inherently part of the sport itself (or of being human) and some that I do not. In bodybuilding, diet + exercise clearly should be. IMO, implants, injections and steroids should not be. In baseball, leather gloves, wooden bats and baseball hats are part of the sport. Aluminum bats, spit on the ball and steroids should not be. 50 years from now, the basics of diet + exercise won't be vastly different and we'd still be able to enjoy the same sport. However, drugs, surgery and medicine will all be vastly advanced and if we allow them to be an integral part of our sports, all our sports will turn into the battle of scientists rather than athletes.

What you are saying makes perfect sense. However, quoting Dr. Mauro DiPasquale, you can't expect medicine to bow down to sports. In other words, whether or not you permit the use of substances in sports, there is still going to be progress made in the science of performance enhancement. As well, athletes are going to use them because they know how to beat the drug tests.

 

[brikis98]

Originally posted by: Ksyder

Originally posted by: brikis98
Yea, I was clearly simplifying above. As you said, there's more to bodybuilding than lifting weights, just like there's obviously more to baseball than just hitting, pitching and fielding, such as diet, strength & conditioning, etc. However, there are some things that I consider to be inherently part of the sport itself (or of being human) and some that I do not. In bodybuilding, diet + exercise clearly should be. IMO, implants, injections and steroids should not be. In baseball, leather gloves, wooden bats and baseball hats are part of the sport. Aluminum bats, spit on the ball and steroids should not be. 50 years from now, the basics of diet + exercise won't be vastly different and we'd still be able to enjoy the same sport. However, drugs, surgery and medicine will all be vastly advanced and if we allow them to be an integral part of our sports, all our sports will turn into the battle of scientists rather than athletes.

What you are saying makes perfect sense. However, quoting Dr. Mauro DiPasquale, you can't expect medicine to bow down to sports. In other words, whether or not you permit the use of substances in sports, there is still going to be progress made in the science of performance enhancement. As well, athletes are going to use them because they know how to beat the drug tests.

No argument here. I'm well aware that the reality in professional sports - especially given the money/fame involved - will always drive people towards steroids & the like. But if magically I had the ability to prevent that, then all I'm saying is that I'd definitely prefer no steroids to be involved.

 

[Ksyder]

I admire your viewpoint on the matter.. as that is the essence of true sportsmanship

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Eric62

Originally posted by: Kipper

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
I admire the work it takes to get this big, but damn that can't be comfortable to walk around that huge.

+ steroid injections.

I'm sure that's the only reason he's Mr Olympia, and you're a pencil neck...

It was a good thread by the OP until the haters had to take a dump on the accomplishments of others.

Two words. Wasn't making any assumptions about me vs. him.

I obviously hit a nerve.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: brikis98

Originally posted by: Ksyder

Originally posted by: brikis98
Yea, I was clearly simplifying above. As you said, there's more to bodybuilding than lifting weights, just like there's obviously more to baseball than just hitting, pitching and fielding, such as diet, strength & conditioning, etc. However, there are some things that I consider to be inherently part of the sport itself (or of being human) and some that I do not. In bodybuilding, diet + exercise clearly should be. IMO, implants, injections and steroids should not be. In baseball, leather gloves, wooden bats and baseball hats are part of the sport. Aluminum bats, spit on the ball and steroids should not be. 50 years from now, the basics of diet + exercise won't be vastly different and we'd still be able to enjoy the same sport. However, drugs, surgery and medicine will all be vastly advanced and if we allow them to be an integral part of our sports, all our sports will turn into the battle of scientists rather than athletes.

What you are saying makes perfect sense. However, quoting Dr. Mauro DiPasquale, you can't expect medicine to bow down to sports. In other words, whether or not you permit the use of substances in sports, there is still going to be progress made in the science of performance enhancement. As well, athletes are going to use them because they know how to beat the drug tests.

No argument here. I'm well aware that the reality in professional sports - especially given the money/fame involved - will always drive people towards steroids & the like. But if magically I had the ability to prevent that, then all I'm saying is that I'd definitely prefer no steroids to be involved.

Steroids will be chump change when gene doping becomes prevalent. A good article here on it. I guarantee you athletes are already doing it, it's extremely hard to detect.

 

[wwswimming]

HEY ! their triceps are bigger than mine !

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I thought this was about the Bears QB.

x2

same

Not only did I think it was about the Bears qb. I thought Branch was a seahawks WR and Dexter Jackson was the Bucs former first round pick.


Holy football batman!