Java v.s .NET job?

[SagaLore]

No. .NET will rule the world. I think Java is losing ground.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: Cooler
Java has alot of overhead and is slower most of the time. It also dose not allow alot of lowlevel access. I know that once when i was writing a program to open a simple text file that was 90 mb java VM when crazy and locked up. I had pleantly of ram of course. I redid the code in C++ and had no problems.

Your coding skills leave a lot to be desired if that's the case. As to the OP, I'd consider Java over .Net. Java is more widely accepted in the business world although .net is steadily rising. Personally I think Ruby is an intruiging choice, especially Ruby on Rails for rapid web development.

I've heard impressive things about Ruby on Rails. I'm going to make a point to check it out next year.

 

[SONYFX]

True, a new first of Visual Studio (2005) is coming out this week and C# 2.0 is out too.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
.NET

Microsoft is investing huge amounts of resources to make .NET dominate. The next version is released in a week and it has some awesome improvements that will speed development quite a bit.

They have a developer conference this month and next going over the new 2005 .NET framework and the new 2005 SQL Server. I am going, but I would still suggest programming in something more open source. Learn both, but take a company that leans toward Ada, C++, Java, DB2, and Oracle. They will probably have more technology invested in stuff you can learn.

 

[Staples]

I'd love to hear some examples of where Java is being used. I see many more windows programs written in .net. Most webpages are using php or .net. Sure there are some that use jsp but they are very far inbetween now days. So exactly where are these Java programs? Open Office and that is about all I can think of.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: johnjbruin
Weren't there rumors of MS getting rid of C# at some point? Heard this from a friend so cannot confirm this.

I personally do java.

i'm sure they claim they want to lol🙂

remember the insane claims about java during the early years? all stuff is gonna be java!! computers will be so fast the overhead won't matter!! dude we are still waiting😉

that and the network computers without harddrives and o/s's lol😉

 

[antyler]

Im sitting in Java class right now, and id still go with .NET

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Staples
I'd love to hear some examples of where Java is being used. I see many more windows programs written in .net. Most webpages are using php or .net. Sure there are some that use jsp but they are very far inbetween now days. So exactly where are these Java programs? Open Office and that is about all I can think of.

JSP and Java are used in many Airline Companies (I was offered a job at Continental).

I thought EBay was written in Java but I could be wrong (it could be PHP).

PWC and some of the financing firms use mostly Oracle and Java, JSP (faster access times for crucial info -- same as airlines). These companies are using both now though because .NET is easier to implement.

I am not sure about oil/energy companies, but from what I know from my friends who worked in IT at Enron, Shell, Chevron, and AkerKvaerner, Java and C++ are pretty highly regarded. .NET is used for end-user implementations (applications for the consumer), while high-end back-end programming (for company use and sometimes faster end-user access) uses more hands on programs like Fortran, ADA, DB2, Oracle, Java, and C++.

 

[AmigaMan]

Originally posted by: Staples
I'd love to hear some examples of where Java is being used. I see many more windows programs written in .net. Most webpages are using php or .net. Sure there are some that use jsp but they are very far inbetween now days. So exactly where are these Java programs? Open Office and that is about all I can think of.

for desktop applications, .net or C/C++ is where you probaby want to be since Windows rules the desktop market. However if you want to develop interactive web applications for most large companies, Java dominates there. High volume, transaction heavy, web-based applications such as Internet Banking, stock brokerage software, and serious eCommerce applications are heavily based on Java. Although I have to admit that .Net is making some inroads in the Enterprise market.

While Java has had some rightfully deserved knocks on it in the desktop market, it's getting better. Eclipse, the free integrated development environment similar to Visual Studio, is written in Java. Magic Draw is a software modelling application written in Java. Azuerus is a Java bittorrent client. I don't think Java will ever get rid of MS in the desktop market though. But it sure ate MS's lunch when it came to the Enterprise arena.

 

[AbsolutDealage]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan
While Java has had some rightfully deserved knocks on it in the desktop market, it's getting better. Eclipse, the free integrated development environment similar to Visual Studio, is written in Java. Magic Draw is a software modelling application written in Java. Azuerus is a Java bittorrent client. I don't think Java will ever get rid of MS in the desktop market though. But it sure ate MS's lunch when it came to the Enterprise arena.

This is very true. We have a complete desktop app that we just developed based on SWT (the graphics library created in conjunction with eclipse). It is just as fast as native code (from the user's standpoint, anyways), it looks like a native windows app, and it is about a million times easier to read/debug/test/package/distribute. I think it would have taken us twice as long on .NET.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: AmigaMan

Originally posted by: Staples
I'd love to hear some examples of where Java is being used. I see many more windows programs written in .net. Most webpages are using php or .net. Sure there are some that use jsp but they are very far inbetween now days. So exactly where are these Java programs? Open Office and that is about all I can think of.

for desktop applications, .net or C/C++ is where you probaby want to be since Windows rules the desktop market. However if you want to develop interactive web applications for most large companies, Java dominates there. High volume, transaction heavy, web-based applications such as Internet Banking, stock brokerage software, and serious eCommerce applications are heavily based on Java. Although I have to admit that .Net is making some inroads in the Enterprise market.

While Java has had some rightfully deserved knocks on it in the desktop market, it's getting better. Eclipse, the free integrated development environment similar to Visual Studio, is written in Java. Magic Draw is a software modelling application written in Java. Azuerus is a Java bittorrent client. I don't think Java will ever get rid of MS in the desktop market though. But it sure ate MS's lunch when it came to the Enterprise arena.

FTW!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: dwell
Java's hammering any of the .NET languages on the TPC index.

http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm

ADA and Fortran better watch out, ColdFusion is gaining on them fast!

 

Originally posted by: Staples
I'd love to hear some examples of where Java is being used. I see many more windows programs written in .net. Most webpages are using php or .net. Sure there are some that use jsp but they are very far inbetween now days. So exactly where are these Java programs? Open Office and that is about all I can think of.

Ebay is Java. Much of Google is written in Java (gmail, maps, and Google Earth are Java on the backend).

On the desktop Azureus and Eclipse are the two biggest Java apps.

Java runs on smart cards, it's the dominant cell phone platform, it runs on many cable boxes and will be the brains behind Blu-Ray players. Java is used to remotely control recon fly planes. It was also used on the Mars Rover.

It's really everywhere.

 

[SONYFX]

IBM's DB2 is Java too, but it is so SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

A lot of large corporate banks are using .NET now, due to the easier maintenence.