Java script killing games!

[Killroy X]

Ever since I downloaded Limewire which makes you download Java, my PC games will not start. They actually freeze up my computer.

I've tried deleting Java, getting it out of start up and nothing works.

The only thing that works temporarily is system restore, but even when I do that, after a while, it comes back. I got rid of Limewire, so I'm not sure if it's hiding on my computer.

This is a huge pain! Any help would be appreciative.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

There's something you're not telling us. Did you download anything through Limewire? You probably downloaded a virus. Java won't affect your computer like that.

 

[Killroy X]

Well, there is something. You could have a point. I'm going to run a Norton's antivirus to figure out if I have something.

This is a very strange bug that I'm seeing though. For now it's gone because I did a system restore, but it will sneak back up. When? I don't know, but it's always when Java is present.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

I doubt it's a bug. Why are you even using Norton? That peice of trash doesn't detect viruses! Atleast the harmful ones!

Get AntiVir or Kaspersky. Scan your computer with one of those two and keep your computer safe from viruses.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
I doubt it's a bug. Why are you even using Norton? That peice of trash doesn't detect viruses! Atleast the harmful ones!

Get AntiVir or Kaspersky. Scan your computer with one of those two and keep your computer safe from viruses.

What the hell are you talking about? Norton may be bloated and annoying, but it's far better than AntiVir or Kaspersky, any day.

That said, there is *something* besides Java doing this. The Java engine does not require many resources unless there is a program running that requires it.

System Restore should have taken care of the problem, but if it comes back, then there is something that is either installed that is causing the problem, or that you're doing to cause the problem, each time.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
I doubt it's a bug. Why are you even using Norton? That peice of trash doesn't detect viruses! Atleast the harmful ones!

Get AntiVir or Kaspersky. Scan your computer with one of those two and keep your computer safe from viruses.

What the hell are you talking about? Norton may be bloated and annoying, but it's far better than AntiVir or Kaspersky, any day.

That said, there is *something* besides Java doing this. The Java engine does not require many resources unless there is a program running that requires it.

System Restore should have taken care of the problem, but if it comes back, then there is something that is either installed that is causing the problem, or that you're doing to cause the problem, each time.

Not that I want to change the topic, but your reply could end up having this poor guy destory his computer. That I cannot allow!

First of all, check this out: http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2006_02.php

Kaspersky detected several viruses more than Norton ever could. Kaspersky's 99.7% versus Norton's 97.61%. There is the link to prove it.

 

[GeekDrew]

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/software/antivirus-software/fullstory.html

http://www.antivirusebook.com/antiviruscomparison.htm

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,124475,00.asp

Reviews can prove anything you want them to prove.

A few percentage points on a review means next to nothing. The review that you linked to rates both Norton *and* Kaspersky as "ADVANCED+".

I don't see corporations rolling out Kaspersky to thousands of machines, whereas I know that Norton and McAfee are both used by millions of companies and individuals worldwide.

Furthermore, I personally guarantee that Norton will not "destroy his computer", nor will it destroy anyone else's computer. Detection of one or two more viruses means very little, given the number of viruses there are out there. Had a different set of viruses been tested, perhaps Norton would have gotten a 99.999%, and Kaspersky a 40%. It's all relative.

Kaspersky may be a very good product, but the reviews I have read have not indicated to me that it is any better than Norton.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

The urls you posted do nothing to help prove your point. 2 of the 3 you posted say Kaspersky is the better choice. The first one only talks about Norton Anti-Virus.

Norton is only on many computers because that is the agreement Symantec has with these computer companies. That doesn't mean it's automatically the best.

Kaspersky may be a very good product, but the reviews I have read have not indicated to me that it is any better than Norton.

The reviews you posted say Kaspersky is better lol!

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
The urls you posted do nothing to help prove your point. 2 of the 3 you posted say Kaspersky is the better choice. The first one only talks about Norton Anti-Virus.

Norton is only on many computers because that is the agreement Symantec has with these computer companies. That doesn't mean it's automatically the best.

Kaspersky may be a very good product, but the reviews I have read have not indicated to me that it is any better than Norton.

The reviews you posted say Kaspersky is better lol!

I did *NOT* say computer companies. I said companies. Such as enterprises, government, etc. Norton and McAfee are used in enterprises more than any other product, in my experience. It's not because they have an agreement with a computer company - it is because that specific company decided to purchase their product.

How, exactly, does the first link only talk about Norton? It talks about others.

Second link: Yes, it says that Kaspersky is better, and its only defense is because it scans compressed files. Norton also scans compressed files; their review is incorrect.

Third link: Admits that Kaspersky's interface is clean, but not exceptional. Also, Norton is not far behind. Norton's East of Use and Features are all "Very Good", wheras Kaspersky's is only "Good".

Also, I've seen that there has been at least one other software package (McAfee is one of them) has been ahead of Kaspersky in several of the reviews I've seen, but I notice that you didn't point that out. You must believe that Kaspersky is better than any other virus program out there. Is there any justification behind that? Have you personally evaluated any other virus scanners?

 

[Quinton McLeod]

This has been debated before on these forums. Most people here know Kaspersky is better:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=33&threadid=1658987&enterthread=y

Sorry buddy, but Norton is out and Kaspersky is in. Get with the program.

 

[GeekDrew]

Oh yes, I know it's been debated before, and I'm sure it'll be debated again.

My opinion, as it will stand for the forseeable future: any of the top antivirus programs out there will do the job, none being significantly better than the others (being Norton, Kaspersky, McAfee, et al.)

Oh, and I'm "with the program". For what its worth, I have nothing against Kaspersky. It may very well be the best program there is available to consumers. Your statements:

I doubt it's a bug. Why are you even using Norton? That peice of trash doesn't detect viruses! Atleast the harmful ones!

Get AntiVir or Kaspersky. Scan your computer with one of those two and keep your computer safe from viruses.

and

Not that I want to change the topic, but your reply could end up having this poor guy destory his computer. That I cannot allow!

are blatantly untrue, and that's the only reason I bothered to continue responding.

 

[imported_red5]

Originally posted by: Quinton McLeod
There's something you're not telling us. Did you download anything through Limewire? You probably downloaded a virus. Java won't affect your computer like that.

...if you remove it from startup yeah it's fine. If you leave it there, a lot of people have had problems with games and other stuff.

 

[Kakumba]

What I want to know is, who only uses ONE antivirus? I use at least 3.... and would be prepared to run more.

anyways, yeah, I dont think Java would do that, I have the JRE at home, at work, everywhere, and its all good.

btw: Java and javascript are completely different. FYI.

 

[Gherault]

Other than limewire and Java, and whatever it was you downloaded- have you made any other changes to your system before this started happening? Or do you remember any electrical disturbances? And could you more fully describe the way in which your games fail to work, and which games? You say they freeze but I'm not sure if you mean your PC freezes, or just the game? Does it launch at all?

P.S. To whoever posted that link to defend Kapersky- did you notice Norton was the only one that scored 100% in the on-demand detection of polymorphic viruses? Your link kinda un-proved your point. (Incidentally, I do not reccomend Norton because it kills your permissions lists sometimes on install causing catastrophic results. I've had to fix a couple PC's like that and it's either a very long irritating process or a complete format Either way, there's no way someone talking about running a scan with Norton would destroy a PC, especially if it's already installed.)

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Kakumba
What I want to know is, who only uses ONE antivirus? I use at least 3.... and would be prepared to run more.

anyways, yeah, I dont think Java would do that, I have the JRE at home, at work, everywhere, and its all good.

btw: Java and javascript are completely different. FYI.

You don't have all of the virus scanners active at the same time, do you? I suppose things may have changed recently, without me realizing it, but as of a year or two ago, *every* virus scan manufacturer recommended that you have only one virus scanner installed... I used to run two, a long time ago, and chaos ensued, until I removed one (and no, it wasn't dependent on which one... I swapped back and forth without any difficulty).

 

[BadThad]

All these replies and no mention of MALWARE? Limewire is loaded with a variety of malware, I recommend you uninstall it and begin the painful process of removing all the malware that came with it. Also, Java should have NO EFFECT on any PC games. Modern games use DirectX and OpenGL, NOT Java.

 

[Kakumba]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Kakumba
What I want to know is, who only uses ONE antivirus? I use at least 3.... and would be prepared to run more.

anyways, yeah, I dont think Java would do that, I have the JRE at home, at work, everywhere, and its all good.

btw: Java and javascript are completely different. FYI.

You don't have all of the virus scanners active at the same time, do you? I suppose things may have changed recently, without me realizing it, but as of a year or two ago, *every* virus scan manufacturer recommended that you have only one virus scanner installed... I used to run two, a long time ago, and chaos ensued, until I removed one (and no, it wasn't dependent on which one... I swapped back and forth without any difficulty).

Most of the time I have a few dofferent tools in the background... AVG, Adaware, Spybot, and a couple of others whose names I have forgotten (the other antivirus tools). Never encountered any probs, but I will have a look, just make sure about what I have said.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Kakumba

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Kakumba
What I want to know is, who only uses ONE antivirus? I use at least 3.... and would be prepared to run more.

anyways, yeah, I dont think Java would do that, I have the JRE at home, at work, everywhere, and its all good.

btw: Java and javascript are completely different. FYI.

You don't have all of the virus scanners active at the same time, do you? I suppose things may have changed recently, without me realizing it, but as of a year or two ago, *every* virus scan manufacturer recommended that you have only one virus scanner installed... I used to run two, a long time ago, and chaos ensued, until I removed one (and no, it wasn't dependent on which one... I swapped back and forth without any difficulty).

Most of the time I have a few dofferent tools in the background... AVG, Adaware, Spybot, and a couple of others whose names I have forgotten (the other antivirus tools). Never encountered any probs, but I will have a look, just make sure about what I have said.

Ah... I don't think that Adaware or Spybot are actually antivirus scanners, so it makes sense that they'd probably play friendly with AV scanners.

 

[deathwalker]

HeHe..the poor guy posts a problem and before the thread even comes close to helping him you have a couple guys spraying testosterone all over the place.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: deathwalker
HeHe..the poor guy posts a problem and before the thread even comes close to helping him you have a couple guys spraying testosterone all over the place.

Welcome to Anandtech

 

[Kakumba]

Heh, yeah, we really should stop this. anyways, no those 2 arent antivirus proggies, but i remember downloading some others. but now you have me thinking - did I install them? I dotn honestly remember.... anyways, what was the original problem again???

Seriously, sounds like malware/ virus/ spyware to me. most likely lots of all 3, all P2P progs will give you planty to worry about....

 

[Gherault]

I'd never gotten any malware from a legitimate install of Limewire, only Kazza and Bearshare. I really would like to know if it's the whole PC freezing up or just the game .exe though. Might help troubleshoot it a bit.

 

[Kakumba]

Gherault, you sure? what you scan with?

 

[Gherault]

Positive. I've used Adaware and Spybot S&D along with Trend Micro's PC Cilin. It used to ask you if you wanted to install something in the past, you had to uncheck the box, but it hasn't even done that in years, I don't think. That or I'm used to unchecking boxes. Why did Adobe fall in league with Yahoo?

:edited pre-8am spelling: