Japanese Nuclear Power Plant Scare

[Genx87]

What a backwards world I live in, I drive my car to work in 20 mins while you sit on a gas guzzling bus forever.

your dream of having trains to everybodies house is a pipe.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Genx87
What a backwards world I live in, I drive my car to work in 20 mins while you sit on a gas guzzling bus forever.

your dream of having trains to everybodies house is a pipe.

And your idea of suburban sprawl lasting long term will come to a end sooner or later.

(if your lazy fat ass doesent kill you first from taking your car everywhere) 😉

And I dont take buses to work, I take a electric powered train, and leave drivers in the dust as far as how fast I get to work, with no parking, traffic, and tax hassles from having to pay for plates etc.

I hope to see the day soon when these roads are torn up and the space used for something useful again, keep pumping that oil into your dinosaur machine ok?

 

[BrownTown]

too bad 99% of the people in this country don't have electric power trains to ride to work on every day...

also would be interesting to know where you live, maybe its a nuke plant providing hte power to get you to work every day 😛

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
too bad 99% of the people in this country don't have electric power trains to ride to work on every day...

also would be interesting to know where you live, maybe its a nuke plant providing hte power to get you to work every day 😛

Since I moved over to NJ from SF yes it probaly is nuke power, (I think it is as new england has the nasty things all over) but back home it is wind and hydro that runs electrical public transit. As it could be here also if the country had its priorities straight.

 

[BrownTown]

thats probablyh why back home power costs twice as much...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
thats probablyh why back home power costs twice as much...

Nah, its the same, our gas bill is a lot higher though. (it is colder though)

It got bad when a buncha greedy pricks were scamming CA in the privitization thing. (bush's enron buddies)

Same types that are pushing this nuke crap I bet heh.

CA energy crisis is just another example imo of why the free market is a bad idea for nessesities, that whole fleecing is a big reason why people want to ditch public utilities there and get their homes juice themselves.

 

[BrownTown]

also, your numbers are a little off. As of 2004 nuclear out produced all renewable energy production in California, with Soalr and wind making up .3% and 1.5% respectively. Did a little math, seems like the nuclear plant up the road from where i live produces 4 times the power of all the solar and wind power in California combined.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
also, your numbers are a little off. As of 2004 nuclear out produced all renewable energy production in California, with Soalr and wind making up .3% and 1.5% respectively. Did a little math, seems like the nuclear plant up the road from where i live produces 4 times the power of all the solar and wind power in California combined.

CA is a big state, the bay area is nuke free. I know there is a nuke plant in southern CA, out by the border somewhere in the desert on hightway 10 headed into AZ, thats socal though that probably serves the central valley and LA.

 

[BrownTown]

yeah, the nuke plants in southern california, but there solar and wind in all of california aren't nearly enough to power San Francisco, so clearly some of the energy is coming soures which are polluting...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
yeah, the nuke plants in southern california, but there solar and wind in all of california aren't nearly enough to power San Francisco, so clearly some of the energy is coming soures which are polluting...

http://sfwater.org/main.cfm/MC_ID/7/MSC_ID/64 is a good start, The city uses a lot of wind down by the zoo, solar on buildings, and I know there is a big dam up in the mountains where the power comes from for public transit. (MUNI)

There are old power plants that they are scrapping soon down by hunters point I know. I think they are gas fired. (not 100% sure)

Also, they renew a lot of the water so as to not pollute the bay any worse then has been done to it. (the navy left a lot of crap behind, but it is cleaning up I understand)

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Does not kill birds if it blades are big (big fans move slower), and ugly is in the eye of the beholder, we already have power lines hanging around everywhere and billboards advertising soap and random crap, never heard a generator from one, never even heard of that comlaint, I know people in san francisco which is not even a sunny place that dont even use the electric grid as they have UPS systems and solar panels and have freed themselves from PG&E's bills.(granted it took a upfront investment but the long term payoff is awesome imo) one of the houses has a few servers running 24/7 also, pure solar.

Nuke power is nessasary for profit of a few, not nessasary for society.

As soon as possible when our house gets fixed I plan on doing the same and freeing our house from the public grid with solar and UPS, I dont see how you all can be so far behind to think you MUST be attached to a electrical grid to have juice...
Here is another hint, you can live without that fossil of a internal combustion engine too, I havent needed a car in 10+ years as I choose to live in areas that have public transit, it is you all that are stuck in a backward world. Welcome to 2006 nuke power is a dangerous scam.

Sound like a buncha huge government loving commies pining for your old public electrical grids and dirty nuke waste :laugh:

Kidding around aside http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_building

The water treatment is still tough to do, but losing the electical grid at your house has already been done for years now.

Using solar to charge batteries is stupid if you can connect to PG&E. They will buy your excess power at top dollar, so you don't need to store it-and buy new batteries every few years.
My friend put a $20,000 photovoltaic system on his roof, and now his bills are $0-year round.
I read somewhere that if you put windmills in North Dakota, you could power the entire east coast. The only problem is, there are no power transmission lines out of the area, that would cost billions probably.
I say scrap the nuclear, build the transmission lines, and start building the windmills.
You could do a similar thing in the west with solar plants in the desert.

 

[firewall]

How do the economics of nuclear vs alternatives work?

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: marincounty
I read somewhere that if you put windmills in North Dakota, you could power the entire east coast. The only problem is, there are no power transmission lines out of the area, that would cost billions probably.
I say scrap the nuclear, build the transmission lines, and start building the windmills.
You could do a similar thing in the west with solar plants in the desert.

No transmission lines aint a problem, it aint exactly a billion dollar investment just to put in some new lines. I'm not exactly sure the price of 500kV cables and towers, but were talking millions of dollars to upgrade the grid to carry power from the Dakotas to the east coast. However the losses would be pretty high from that far away, may want to consider HVDC. The problem is that the windmills themselves are gonna cost too much. Again, i don't know how much one costs, but im sure 10,000 cost a d@mn good amount, and those are the the numbers youd need to replace the nuke plants on the east coast.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87
What a backwards world I live in, I drive my car to work in 20 mins while you sit on a gas guzzling bus forever.

your dream of having trains to everybodies house is a pipe.

And your idea of suburban sprawl lasting long term will come to a end sooner or later.

(if your lazy fat ass doesent kill you first from taking your car everywhere) 😉

And I dont take buses to work, I take a electric powered train, and leave drivers in the dust as far as how fast I get to work, with no parking, traffic, and tax hassles from having to pay for plates etc.

I hope to see the day soon when these roads are torn up and the space used for something useful again, keep pumping that oil into your dinosaur machine ok?

Keep dreaming, suburban sprawl is on the rise, your inner city dumps are on the decline.
btw how does your electric train get its power?

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: asadasif
How do the economics of nuclear vs alternatives work?

How do the economics compare?