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Japan spots a possible Chinese submarine in it's waters

I wonder if they were trying to rescue survivors of one of their crashed submarines.

Nothing like sunken nuclear missles off your coast.
 
I fear the potential attitude of a full fledged Chineese navy.

A nation of well over one billion, many of whom are not allowed to have more than one child, equals untold aimless, angry semen.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
BTW: why do they assume its China? Taiwan has subs too.
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Oh, and teh USA and teh Russians and both Koreas...

edit: forgot Australia which is in that general direction too...
 
I am trying to understand why this is such a big deal.
During the cold war we were chasing subs from Soviet/East Germany/West Germany/Pland/UK/US (pick one) almost on a daily basis in Sweden (a Soviet subs actually ran aground in the archipelago just outside one of our naval bases).
It is perfectly "normal" for two nations like Japan and China to be spying on each other, some of this espionage is done using subs. A very common method in is to try to provoke your opponent in order to be able to study his response.
An example: The Swedish airforce used to fly towards the Soviet border and make a sharp turn just before entering Soviet airspace, occasionaly the Soviets had to turn on their radar in order to rack the planes making it possible for the Swedish military intelligence to pinpoint radar installations, types of radar and -more importantly- listen to a lot of military radio communication.

It is entirely possible that the Chinese navy simply used this opportunity to study Japanse tactics and communications in situations like this.

So it does not have to "mean" anything.
 
Originally posted by: Perknose
I fear the potential attitude of a full fledged Chineese navy.

A nation of well over one billion, many of whom are not allowed to have more than one child, equals untold aimless, angry semen.
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hehe
 
I'm concerned that neither Gene Hackman nor Sean Connery could pull off a chinese accent, therefore sinking any hopes for a hollywood version of Red October, chinese style.

The idea is good but the delivery seems rough. Someone assist my desire to be pithy and funny.
 
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Originally posted by: maddogchen
BTW: why do they assume its China? Taiwan has subs too.
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Oh, and teh USA and teh Russians and both Koreas...

edit: forgot Australia which is in that general direction too...
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We have one too, but it's on FIRE!!!!
 
Originally posted by: Gravity
I'm concerned that neither Gene Hackman nor Sean Connery could pull off a chinese accent, therefore sinking any hopes for a hollywood version of Red October, chinese style.

The idea is good but the delivery seems rough. Someone assist my desire to be pithy and funny.
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lol That was pretty funny, I must admit.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
BTW: why do they assume its China? Taiwan has subs too.
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It probably said "Made in China" on the side.

ok, so that wasn't as funny as the Gene Hackman thing.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
BTW: why do they assume its China? Taiwan has subs too.
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Taiwan only has 4 diesel subs, and as far as I can remember none of them are less than 20 years in service.
Taiwan has NO nuclear subs, because US doesn't want Taiwan to have any of them.
Taiwan craves nuclear subs and nukes so we can finally have something to scare off China, but US doesn't want that to happen no matter how much we are willing to pay.
Taiwan is about to pass 20 billion dollar defense budget this year to buy 4 additional diesel subs and Patriot III missiles to be delivered in the next 15 years. I think it is too little, too late to be of any help against an imminent threat of a Chinese invasion.
US is the only country still willing to sell weapons to Taiwan. France used to be another option, but given their recent action to try to lift the EU weapons ban on China and all the other things kissing China's ass, I guess that is no longer an option.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Interesting. Are they trying to send a message?
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I guess they are trying to send a message.
China and Japan are recently locked in an argument about who gets control of the oil fields in the area known as the East China Sea (of course Japan says it is called East Sea).
Another issue could be Taiwan or North Korea. Just like the US, Japan relies on China to make North Korea behave.
While Taiwanese would be relieved if Japan includes the Taiwan Strait as part of its defense zone.
Japan's military recently released a report concerning an invasion from China.
One scenario involves Taiwan. Japan suspects China will attack Japan to cut off Japan from supporting US troops in Japan when the invasion of Taiwan begins.
 
Originally posted by: carage
Originally posted by: maddogchen
BTW: why do they assume its China? Taiwan has subs too.
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Taiwan only has 4 diesel subs, and as far as I can remember none of them are less than 20 years in service.
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While Taiwan has technically 4 subs, 2 of them are WW2 era subs that couldn't possibly pull off the penetration of Japanese waters and get away. These two subs are mostly used for training and would almost completely be militarily useless in an actual war scenario.

The real issue is there is absolutely no way Taiwan would risk the diplomatic consequences of getting caught violating Japanese territorial waters in this manner. Taiwan is worred about China invading them, and Japan is at least a desired ally against this possibility. Japan actually was in control of Taiwan for many years until the end of WW2, and is concerned that if China took control of the island, it would potentially put Japanese shipping lanes at risk. There is serious talk about how the designs for the Taiwenese Diesel Subs they want to purchase may come from Japan's own sub building experience. Taiwan is also trying to persuade Japan to intervene militarily on the side of Taiwan if China decides to launch an invasion of Taiwan or blockade the island to force it into submission.

Japan has a resonably powerful air force and a very potent Navy that includes a bunch of diesel subs of its own. The Navy is also close to Taiwan and can therefore quickly intervene if China takes military action. There is no way Taiwan would risk the diplomatic damage from a territorial incursion of one of its submarines into what is clearly Japanese territorial waters.
 
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