Japan criticized over child porn loopholes

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enjo kosai ftl

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Seems like this should be as legal as showing violent movies. No actual children were exploited, which is the point of the laws in the first place. I dont think pedophiles watching that stuff will lead them to do physical things, if anything its an acceptable outlet.

Please read the article.

Child pornography (read: Actual child pornography, not animated books/novels/games/cartoons) is legal to possess.

I don't see anything legally wrong with the possession of animated works sexually depicting children. Japan says possession of any and all is not illegal.

i dunno. as sick and fucked up as child porn is... should looking at it be illegal? I mean, you're not interacting with them, your not violating them... it's merely a picture. if someone sick wants to get off on that, well that's their fucked up prerogative.
now, the production of child porn should most definitely be punishable by crime. you're directly violating the kids.
it's just one of those touchy laws. it's definitely a fucked up type of porn, but should looking at pictures be illegal? That seems to be on the borderline of crossing the rights of citizens. I don't like it any more than those that preach for it to be illegal, but you gotta look at it from a legal right perspective. If they didn't violate anyone themselves, what real crime have they committed.
Sadly, it's a touchy scenario because then you get the people who look at the porn, and then get the idea that they want to pursue little kids to violate. So, I can see making it a criminal offense to look at child porn, because it could be linked to further illegal behavior.. but that's like linking porn to regular rape. Should looking at porn be illegal because some deviant folks rape other women? Surely porn is to blame!

i dunno. it's tough to have a stance on either side. I have one foot on both sides of the debate, because its morally wrong, but should it really be something the law goes after (viewing, not the production... i think everyone can agree production should be punishable to the extremes)?

You're not linking together child porn and it's associated crimes properly.

People aren't worried that you're going to go rape a kid because you look a child porn. They're worried that it directly results in the exploitation and sexual violation of underage children because you're allowing people to profit off of it (whether it's dollars from purchasing or ad revenues, or any other way they make money off of it). By partaking in child porn, you're directly supporting and helping faciliate the abuse of these children.

I dont agree and i think your perspective is misguided. Nonetheless, what if someone produced photo realistic images of sex with an underage person--strictly CG. Is it then wrong to view those?

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
there was a pornstar who shot her first movie at age 14.
somehow she got famous and then shot another one at 15... and it becames a series, 16, 17, 18.

uh, no. you're thinking of Traci Lords who via fake ID shot a movie when she was underage. Several years later when it was discovered, all known copies were destroyed. It is illegal to possess said movie.


and there are some seriously fucked up people in this thread.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: andylawcc
there was a pornstar who shot her first movie at age 14.
somehow she got famous and then shot another one at 15... and it becames a series, 16, 17, 18.

uh, no. you're thinking of Traci Lords who via fake ID shot a movie when she was underage. Several years later when it was discovered, all known copies were destroyed. It is illegal to possess said movie.


and there are some seriously fucked up people in this thread.

QFT

and how many of them do you think have kiddie porn on their system right now. :roll:

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: andylawcc
there was a pornstar who shot her first movie at age 14.
somehow she got famous and then shot another one at 15... and it becames a series, 16, 17, 18.

uh, no. you're thinking of Traci Lords who via fake ID shot a movie when she was underage. Several years later when it was discovered, all known copies were destroyed. It is illegal to possess said movie.


and there are some seriously fucked up people in this thread.

QFT

and how many of them do you think have kiddie porn on their system right now. :roll:

wow, i seriously hope you're not thinking I have any. Or even accusing anyone on here is kind of... I dunno. Everyone I think can agree it is morally wrong, at least I do... but punishing the mere act of viewing something, even though the act is illegal, there are PLENTY of other images and videos of illegal things that people can look at legally. Judicial precedence and legality of a government to take lawful action on such a thing... that has to come into question. Some times people are so willing to give up freedoms, just because the situations don't seemingly apply to them.
Again, I'm not suggesting it should be legal to view photos, but I'm also not really sure it should be illegal by definition.
The issue of those who pay for it... that's a touchy area. If proof can be had it was paid for, and thus is directly funding an illegal act, THEN I believe lawful action can be taken. But that proof needs to be had, because remember, in this land, you're innocent until proven guilty.

Now, should people be fired if its on a work computer or a similar situation and punishable by place of employment of institution? YES.

I hope some people have enough sense to see all along I've been taking this middle approach to the situation. It's an tough topic to tackle, and when both sides can be argued wrong so easily, that's even harder. I'm just trying to prove the middle man and provide a reasonable and logical point to see why the approach by the Japanese government and that of the USA are both right and wrong depending on your approach. Personally I think some morals need to stay out of law, because morality is also arguable and tends to be the product of age-old religious ways.
Just some food for though.

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