January 19 2013 Gun Rights Protests

[clamum]

Sorry if this is a repost, but has anyone seen or read anything on the news about the January 19th gun rights protests at the state capitols this past weekend? I haven't seen a single article yet.

Anyone happen to attend, or know someone who did? I ended up traveling home this past weekend so I wasn't able to.

 

[xj0hnx]

Hadn't even heard of it.

 

[SheHateMe]

NOPE.

 

[monovillage]

Yes they took place, but they didn't get the coverage you'd expect. If a dozen Occupy Wall Street assholes had shown up it would get huge coverage, but since it's the conservative/Republicans it gets little reporting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/gun-owners-rally-new-york-anti-weapons-bills-article-1.1243402

Thousands of gun owners rallied at the state Capitol in Albany on Saturday to protest the state’s tough new firearms regulations.

There were protests across the country, just little to no reporting of it.


http://www.southbendtribune.com/sns-rt-us-usa-guns-ralliesbre90h17a-20130118,0,1599276.story

(Reuters) - Pro-gun activists held "high noon" rallies across the United States on Saturday to defend the right to own firearms that they say is being threatened by President Barack Obama's gun-control proposals.

You did see huge coverage of the AD accidents on that day though, including in this forum. Are you surprised? You shouldn't be.

 

[xj0hnx]

Yes they took place, but they didn't get the coverage you'd expect. If a dozen Occupy Wall Street assholes had shown up it would get huge coverage, but since it's the conservative/Republicans it gets little reporting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/gun-owners-rally-new-york-anti-weapons-bills-article-1.1243402



There were protests across the country, just little to no reporting of it.


http://www.southbendtribune.com/sns-rt-us-usa-guns-ralliesbre90h17a-20130118,0,1599276.story



You did see huge coverage of the AD accidents on that day though, including in this forum. Are you surprised? You shouldn't be.

Of course if there had been an accidental discharge at one of them it would have been front page news across the country, but protesting the rights of firearms owners being trample by ignorant, lying anti-gun nut job progressives? Naw.

 

[CanOWorms]

If only they put the same effort into assimilating into (and participating in) modern America as they did protesting their precious cultural desires for guns...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Papers are pocket of people like Cuomo.

I wonder if video game restrictions will get attention?

 

[shadow9d9]

Poor gun nuts.. so oppressed!

 

[monovillage]

Poor gun nuts.. so oppressed!

Not oppressed, just censored and edited by authoritarian leftists.

 

[irishScott]

If only they put the same effort into assimilating into (and participating in) modern America as they did protesting their precious cultural desires for guns...

So gun ownership is expanding among women and Democrats, and this isn't part of modern America in your view?

 

[xj0hnx]

If only they put the same effort into assimilating into (and participating in) modern America as they did protesting their precious cultural desires for guns...

Poor gun nuts.. so oppressed!

People like you are why I can ignore people like Spidey. The condescending anti-gun nut job progressives are the reason that people that would otherwise be for some type of "compromise" just say "fine, fuck you then".

 

[irishScott]

People like you are why I can ignore people like Spidey. The condescending anti-gun nut job progressives are the reason that people that would otherwise be for some type of "compromise" just "fine, fuck you then".

Pretty much. There seems to be significant percentage of society that sees guns as out of place in our culture, that only "tolerates" hunting and sport shooting, see guns as unnecessary for self defense, and believes the 2nd amendment as protection against tyranny is obsolete; and feels the need to push that onto everyone else.

The good news is gun rights advocates are almost invariably more enthusiastic than gun control snobs. They may make fun on internet forums, but the number of letters sent to Washginton, and the mere presence of the NRA relative to its counterparts, speak volumes.

For every haughty anti-gunner there are 20 rabid pro-gunners, and as irrational as some pro-gunners may be I'll side with them every time over the alternative.

 

[CanOWorms]

believes the 2nd amendment as protection against tyranny is obsolete;

The other amendments protect against tyranny.

The 2nd Amendment has been perverted to protect the cultural interests of the white conservative male. Most other Amendments are shit upon, but the 2nd Amendment is holy. Why? Because it has been expanded to great extent to protect the cultural interests of the white conservative male while shredding the other Amendments protects the interests of the white conservative male.

America, and the Consitution, is for Americans. Not only white conservative males. It must not cater to a single, and increasingly unassimilated, culture.

 

[irishScott]

The other amendments protect against tyranny.

The 2nd Amendment has been perverted to protect the cultural interests of the white conservative male. Most other Amendments are shit upon, but the 2nd Amendment is holy. Why? Because it has been expanded to great extent to protect the cultural interests of the white conservative male while shredding the other Amendments protects the interests of the white conservative male.

America, and the Consitution, is for Americans. Not only white conservative males. It must not cater to a single, and increasingly unassimilated, culture.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/

Site claims those statistics are from Gallup and the Gun Owners of America (a rather radical gun lobbyist group). So if those are accurate, Liberals and Moderates combined outnumber Conservatives among gun owners.

And then there's this:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/Self-Reported-Gun-Ownership-Highest-1993.aspx

The facts say your image of gun ownership as the realm of "conservative while males" is apparently quite misinformed.


The other amendments protect against Tyranny to a degree, until the day comes when the government ceases to obey them. That day is likely outside both our lifetimes, but when it comes the 2nd amendment will be the panic button, if it's kept intact.


No one I knows shits on any of the other amendments. I know I don't. I'm sure there are plenty out there, but there are people who shit on every amendment. And to use your argument, a disproportionate amount shit on the 2nd as opposed to other amendments. You're surprised when it correspondingly has more defenders?

The Constitution is for Americans, and thus far the government established by said Constitution has ruled in favor of the traditional image of the 2nd amendment. Likewise any attempt to repeal it would be politically laughable. So for now, Americans have chosen to uphold the traditional view of the 2nd amendment.

To bottom line, I don't see where you have any argument in that post.

 

[CanOWorms]

The facts say your image of gun ownership as the realm of "conservative while males" is apparently quite misinformed.

I suggested no such thing. You are quite misinformed.

The other amendments protect against Tyranny to a degree, until the day comes when the government ceases to obey them. That day is likely outside both our lifetimes, but when it comes the 2nd amendment will be the panic button, if it's kept intact.

I agree, keep it intact. That also means not inflating it so much that it will burst and take over all other rights and responsibilities.

Also, this idea about fighting against the supposed tyranny of the government is an entrenched white conservative male idea, related to separatism and militia concepts popular within this deassimilating demographic. It is becoming more prevalent with dismantling of white privileges, Obama's election, and changing demographics of this country. It's very troubling, and something that may be addressed with mental health requirements for gun ownership.

No one I knows shits on any of the other amendments. I know I don't. I'm sure there are plenty out there, but there are people who shit on every amendment. And to use your argument, a disproportionate amount shit on the 2nd as opposed to other amendments. You're surprised when it correspondingly has more defenders?

That's because the 2nd Amendment is heavily tied, and is primarily for the benefit of, cultural concepts of a particular demographic. The ideas of the other Amendments are much more fundamental for most humans around the world.

The Constitution is for Americans, and thus far the government established by said Constitution has ruled in favor of the traditional image of the 2nd amendment. Likewise any attempt to repeal it would be politically laughable. So for now, Americans have chosen to uphold the traditional view of the 2nd amendment.

We do need to repeal the 2nd Amendment, or draft a new Constitution. The country has changed too much to have all of our institutions, governmental and societal, to be developed as foundations for only conservative white males. Our government and society needs to be for everyone.

America is a shell of what it can be because we emphasize, via our Consitutional jurisprudence, governmental structure, societal structure, etc., a single demographic. And it's a demographic that is increasingly deassimilated from mainstream America.

It just doesn't make any sense to stay on this course.

 

[irishScott]

I suggested no such thing. You are quite misinformed.

Lol. You stated:

The 2nd Amendment has been perverted to protect the cultural interests of the white conservative male.

For being a cultural interest of white, conservative males, it certainly seems to be popular among non-conservatives and females. Unless you're arguing that non-whites, non-conservatives, and non-males are somehow subservient to white conservative males when it comes to determining their view on the 2nd amendment.

I agree, keep it intact. That also means not inflating it so much that it will burst and take over all other rights and responsibilities.

How is the 2nd amendment taking over anything but media air-time? And that's the fault of ideologues seeking to add useless gun restrictions in line with nothing but their personal philosophy.

Also, this idea about fighting against the supposed tyranny of the government is an entrenched white conservative male idea, related to separatism and militia concepts popular within this deassimilating demographic. It is becoming more prevalent with dismantling of white privileges, Obama's election, and changing demographics of this country. It's very troubling, and something that may be addressed with mental health requirements for gun ownership.

Because fighting perceived government tyranny is bad? Lol.

That's because the 2nd Amendment is heavily tied, and is primarily for the benefit of, cultural concepts of a particular demographic. The ideas of the other Amendments are much more fundamental for most humans around the world.

The 2nd amendment applies to all Americans, and it's a freedom. I fail to see how giving everyone the same freedom is depriving anyone of anything. And last I checked we were talking about the Constitution of the United States, not the Constitution of the World. Even in a worldly context, it seems resisting Tyranny via an armed populace is quite popular.

We do need to repeal the 2nd Amendment, or draft a new Constitution. The country has changed too much to have all of our institutions, governmental and societal, to be developed as foundations for only conservative white males. Our government and society needs to be for everyone.

America is a shell of what it can be because we emphasize, via our Consitutional jurisprudence, governmental structure, societal structure, etc., a single demographic. And it's a demographic that is increasingly deassimilated from mainstream America.

It just doesn't make any sense to stay on this course.

Seriously? So the Constitution is conservative male whitey keeping the everyone else down? ROFL. And it should all be redrafted because of the 2nd amendment? Seriously, tell me how the 2nd amendment benefits white conservative males and no one else.


Your entire argument is a classist version of "fuck whitey, and fuck the Constitution because it was written by whities."

 

[Cerb]

The other amendments protect against tyranny.

The 2nd Amendment has been perverted to protect the cultural interests of the white conservative male. Most other Amendments are shit upon, but the 2nd Amendment is holy. Why? Because it has been expanded to great extent to protect the cultural interests of the white conservative male while shredding the other Amendments protects the interests of the white conservative male.

America, and the Consitution, is for Americans. Not only white conservative males. It must not cater to a single, and increasingly unassimilated, culture.

Hispanic liberal females are covered under the 2nd amendment, too, just like the rest, including a couple that help explicitly make that so. You're just spouting total bullshit, now. Well, again. Neither the definition of, "the people," nor, "the militia," has ever been limited by race or political faction. Militia may be limited to males, depending on interpretation, but even if that's the case, it wouldn't pass muster if a case about it got to SCOTUS.

The 2nd amendment exists because the British did attempt to disarm the Colonists, and it was seen very much as a hedge against government being the only armed force. Please go read some Franklin and Jefferson (neither of which would fit well with Republicans, today). That is just one of several good reasons that it should remain. It applies equally well to the Black Democrat Single Mother as it does to the White Republican Male. Even she can afford a used .38, and some range time, no?

And, again, the 1st and 4th are constantly also under siege. Given your lust to rewrite history, what other rights would you have us give up?

 

[sportage]

Des Moines Iowa 1/19/2013

Now I ask. What is wrong with the basic theme in the above photos?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller? Bueller?

This is either a rally for "scared of their own shadow" gun fanatics?
Or a rally for men with teeny tiny penises.
Im not really sure.
Well... maybe not quite sure.

 

[Doppel]

I knew canofworms hated Europe, but now modern America, too, and repeal the constitution?

If anything gun control has been used in the past to limit access of weapons to non-whites and/or immigrants. This is separate from the 2nd amendment.

Also grats to Irish for continuing with the Gallup poll links. Anti-gun speaks of anachronisms of gun ownership as if it's obvious, despite the fact stats show things differently.

 

[sportage]

One more to share.

 

[Genx87]

You have a fascination with penis. Daddy issues sportage? Take it to L&R.

 

[Ausm]

Not oppressed, just censored and edited by authoritarian leftists.

 

[TerryMathews]

Your straw man fails.

A more apt analogy would be banning surgical instruments will prevent abortions.

 

[irishScott]

I'm as adamant a supporter of the 2nd as any here, and I also support a woman's right to choose in most circumstances. Did I just blow your mind?

 

[Cerb]

I knew canofworms hated Europe, but now modern America, too, and repeal the constitution?

I'm getting the idea that if he were of age in the 50s, every KKK member would cream themselves whenever he spoke. Let's just disarm the undesirables, without political connections. Your Sherrif is still armed, so it's OK (he might be the one dragging your son behind his truck, of course...).

Sure, that's gone, but the idea that human nature changes that quickly...no. Now we have no-knock raids, SWAT killing people at wrong addresses (and getting away with it), the NOLA confiscations, in the face of looting...the faces change, but the need has yet to go away.

If anything gun control has been used in the past to limit access of weapons to non-whites and/or immigrants. This is separate from the 2nd amendment.

They are, "the people," so long as they are legal immigrants. Such acts are worthy of shame. Every community willing to stand up for themselves did the right thing, be they black, of Eastern European heritage, or Chinese heritage, or whatever. IMO, it's not at all distinct from the 2nd; just a way to whittle away at it.