All I can say is "
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Edit: He's guilty, guilty, guilty
Looks like the jury thought he was full of sh*t, too.
"Edit: He's guilty, guilty, guilty
Looks like the jury thought he was full of sh*t, too.
Janklow claiming he had a "diabetic reaction" <<Update: Guilty on all counts>>
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I bet he gets off. Justice For All Unless You're A Politician or Celebrity With Lots of Money and Connections.
He should have known better than to drive in an impaired state. What he did is halfway to drunk driving.
Is he even diabetic or is his lawyer basically saying that he was distracted by hunger and the accompanying low blood sugar?
EDIT- He was diagnosed with diabetes in '99. rjain is right, he's a fscking idiot.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Being Diabetic isn't cause to deny someone a driver's license IMO. Although California comes down on them pretty hard. But yes - one needs to take care to maintain safe driving health...if that includes eating properly - so be it.
Zebo - It was a 55MPH zone.
That all being clarified - What he did is sad. Good people sometimes make mistakes and/or have accidents. How many of you people drive ~71 in a 55? 80 in a 65? Change lanes without using your blinker? What Janklow did was break the law and should be punished for doing so. To what degree? well...there are alot of things that affect those sorts of questions. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and condemn someone, but until it happens to you or someone you know - you don't realize how easily things like this could happen to, affect you, or even BE you.
CkG
CaptnKirk
Lifer
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Seems to me that there was a report on his getting ticket after ticket for speeding
as well as many more for 'Other' traffic infractions, like running stop signs.
I'll try to look it up a bit later, unless someone else wants to do the 'Goog'
Found this - they don't want it to be presented to the jury:
<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=#000000 size=2>State court records show that Janklow got 12 speeding tickets in 11 South Dakota counties from 1990 to 1994 and paid more than $1,000 in fines. He often drove 15 mph to 20 mph faster than legal speed limits and once got caught going 90 mph in a 65-mph zone.</FONT>
as well as many more for 'Other' traffic infractions, like running stop signs.
I'll try to look it up a bit later, unless someone else wants to do the 'Goog'
Found this - they don't want it to be presented to the jury:
<FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=#000000 size=2>State court records show that Janklow got 12 speeding tickets in 11 South Dakota counties from 1990 to 1994 and paid more than $1,000 in fines. He often drove 15 mph to 20 mph faster than legal speed limits and once got caught going 90 mph in a 65-mph zone.</FONT>
I never said anything about denying diabetics a license. I'm saying that he knew he was impaired and shouldn't have been driving.
In any case, a stop sign in a 55 is a retarded thing to have, IMO. Make it a traffic light and be done with it.
In any case, a stop sign in a 55 is a retarded thing to have, IMO. Make it a traffic light and be done with it.
He killed an innocent person and is now trying to weasel out of the charges. That doesn't sound like "good people" to me. He f*cked up.....he needs to admit it and face the charges.
First, a quote from the article. ""Nobody could be more sorry than Mr. Janklow." I'll bet the family of the motorcyclist is more sorry than Mr. Janklow.
Second, Rjain observes that a stop sign in a 55 mph zone is " a retarded thing to have." Rjain, I infer that you don't live in a rural area. This is a very typical setup in rural areas where people have to travel fair distances on two lane roads. Those roads have to cross and they're not going to put a stoplight out in Bung Hollow.
CAD, you state, "What Janklow did was break the law and should be punished for doing so. To what degree? well...there are alot of things that affect those sorts of questions. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and condemn someone, but until it happens to you or someone you know - you don't realize how easily things like this could happen to, affect you, or even BE you." Yes, but just remember, you could have been the motorcyclist or it could have been a truck coming through the intersection. If you're going to dole out pity and understanding, please dole it out to everyone involved.
Second, Rjain observes that a stop sign in a 55 mph zone is " a retarded thing to have." Rjain, I infer that you don't live in a rural area. This is a very typical setup in rural areas where people have to travel fair distances on two lane roads. Those roads have to cross and they're not going to put a stoplight out in Bung Hollow.
CAD, you state, "What Janklow did was break the law and should be punished for doing so. To what degree? well...there are alot of things that affect those sorts of questions. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and condemn someone, but until it happens to you or someone you know - you don't realize how easily things like this could happen to, affect you, or even BE you." Yes, but just remember, you could have been the motorcyclist or it could have been a truck coming through the intersection. If you're going to dole out pity and understanding, please dole it out to everyone involved.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Because I lost a friend to a similar scenario, except he was a passenger in the vehicle that was running the stop sign. A vehicle that I was also supposed to be in at the time(thank God for my overbearing boss at the time). A vehicle that was being driven by a good friend of mine. A vehicle that ended up not only killing it's passenger(my friend) but also killed the driver(only occupant) of the other car. My good friend(driver of vehicle) had to face charges similar to what Janklow is now facing, except that he decided to take a plea bargain offered by the DA. If he would have refused the plea agreement he would have faced trial and possible jail terms. As it was - he was on house arrest for a while and had a couple hundred community service hours. Now all this for a 19 year old kid, who was coming back home from buying books for college before it started, and either nodded off for a second or was blinded by the angle of the sun(he doesn't remember the accident at all and there were no witnesses), not to mention he himself had a couple week stay in the hospital with some messed up vertebra and other injuries.
Yeah - I guess I am just a tad sympathetic. Flame on though.
CkG
Edit -Whitling - Read this -it addresses your issue with what I posted.
IMHO- there's a big difference between a guy who nodded off or whatever and a guy who's a habitual speeder and scofflaw finally killing someone in the process.
Janklow clearly has a record of speeding (of course who doesn't speed).
Janklow has a diagnosis of Type II diabetes but even children with this diagnosis know they must take food with their medication. Hell for many people that's their biggest problem . . . they have Type II diabetes b/c they spent their whole lives taking too much food.
Janklow killed another person unintentionally.
His punishment should fit the offense. The only people favoring an assessment of medication induced hypoglycemia over reckless driving is Janklow and his lawyers. A far more likely assessment is that Janklow clearly saw the stop sign but chose to run it b/c he didn't see traffic. His CHOICE to ignore the stop sign should have consequences severe enough to dissuade him from doing it again.
Janklow has a diagnosis of Type II diabetes but even children with this diagnosis know they must take food with their medication. Hell for many people that's their biggest problem . . . they have Type II diabetes b/c they spent their whole lives taking too much food.
Janklow killed another person unintentionally.
His punishment should fit the offense. The only people favoring an assessment of medication induced hypoglycemia over reckless driving is Janklow and his lawyers. A far more likely assessment is that Janklow clearly saw the stop sign but chose to run it b/c he didn't see traffic. His CHOICE to ignore the stop sign should have consequences severe enough to dissuade him from doing it again.
Understood. You do understand that Janklow has a long history of excessive speeding and reckless driving? Right? I don't see how Janklow's case jibes with your analogy.
Heh, you have me all figured out. In fact, I live in just about the most opposite to a rural area that you can find anywhere in the world.
I have lived in suburbs where 55mph roads that don't have unimpeded traffic flow are only highways like US Highways 22, 202, 206, 1, and 9.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense now that I understand the situation. In any case, my original point that he was in no condition to be driving stands.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Buahaha - You have ZERO clue. Have you been out of your comfy little city? I know of multiple 55 MPH stop signed intersections - even some 4 way 55MPH stop signed intersections. Would you like pictures? When I go back up to my "home town" for new years I'll snap some pics for you...or you could find your way out of your urban jungle and drive some county roads to see them for yourself.
CkG
You are obviously well traveled
I drive through two 4-way 55MPH stop signs EVERY DAY to and from work in a rural area. Want me to host pictures of the stop sign and the speed limit sign?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
You mean as in hiring a lawyer and all that? Hell yes he had a lawyer - because without one the DA was throwing the book at him. Due to his Lawyers history and track record(although he was a family freind to the accused) the DA finally relented and offered a Plea bargain. But yes - I have no doubt the system would have been "worked" if the DA would have forced a trial
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It's quite funny how some are taking my statements and trying to misinterpret and twist them. I suppose most people just overlooked my statement - "What Janklow did was break the law and should be punished for doing so."
Wow - whodda thunk it - people glossing over that and trying to say I'm "defending" him or trying to say he's innocent, or that I even believe his defense's story.
I don't care about all that - I was just stating that I can understand the situation because I've had to live and witness a similar tragedy. Does it being a "tragedy" excuse him from "punishment"? Hell no - I infact said he deserved punishment for breaking the law. My only pause is with the degree of punishment his breakage deserves as there are many factors involved - some of which some people can't understand. Again - it doesn't make it right or excusable - it only changes perception. Nobody here is saying that he isn't 100% responsible for his actions - regardless of his "condition", especially me - Mr.Personal Responsibility Excusing - no. Sympathetic - a tad.
CkG
Okay....I'm not getting why you're sympathetic.
1. The guy has a history of speeding and generally dangerous habits behind the wheel.
2. Someone who's been a diagnosed diabetic since 1999 should have known better.
3. He also could have had his aide drive for him if he was feeling poorly.
4. Speeding when you're feeling poorly, but won't let your aide drive for you is a pretty goddamn bad idea.
I don't see how this was anything approaching an innocent mistake.
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