Janet Napolitano Stems Flow Of Illegals - In Saudi Arabia

[Danube]

Obama bows to Saudis - Saudis get border help from US. Arizona tries to protect US borders and Obama sides with Mexico. Obama is more responsive to needs/desires of foreign govs. It's too bad Cuba didn't make a fuss about oil in Gulf instead of Jindal because then Obama would have acted .



"Janet Napolitano offers to help put stop to illegal border crossings — in Saudi Arabia"

ABU DHABI — The United States government, which has difficulty controlling its own borders, has agreed to help Saudi Arabia secure its dangerous border areas near Yemen

"It is a very rough border, very difficult to protect from illegal crossings," U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said.
In late May, Ms. Napolitano met Saudi leaders to discuss a range of security programs, including training, joint exercises, intelligence and arms sales. Officials said both the Americans and Saudis agreed that the Iranian-backed Shi'ite insurgency from Yemen was the leading threat to Riyad.

Officials said Riyad and Washington were expanding cooperation in protecting the kingdom's borders from insurgents and smugglers. They said the biggest threat was the Shi'ite insurgency in neighboring Yemen, which shares a 1,600-kilometer border with Saudi Arabia.

Officials acknowledged that thousands of Yemenis were infiltrating Saudi Arabia despite recent border security measures. They said many of the Yemeni infiltrators were smugglers.

"So many of our discussions were about how to protect a very tough, geological, topographical border from illegal crossings," Ms. Napolitano said during a visit to the Saudi kingdom on May 31.

Officials said Saudi Arabia and the United States were also expanding their intelligence exchange. They said the expansion began during the Yemeni Shi'ite war in southern Saudi Arabia in November 2009, which included the capture of two Saudi towns.

"We all share a concern about terrorist activity emanating from Yemen," Ms. Napolitano said. "Actions of the U.S. in Yemen are with the consent, cooperation of the government of Yemen."

Officials said the U.S. military was modernizing the Saudi Arabian National Guard as well as Interior Ministry security forces. They said Riyad has ordered hundreds of millions of dollars worth of air- and ground-based reconnaissance equipment to monitor the desert border with Yemen.

Another area of consultation has been the Al Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, which operates in both Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Officials said most of the AQAP leadership was comprised of Saudi nationals.

"The security coordination is very strong with Saudi Arabia," Ms. Napolitano said.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/me_gulf0487_06_03.asp

 

[santz]

Firstly, I guess thats because the US govt will make a ton of money of of it which quite frankly we really need right now being as our nationl debt of 13 trillion is approaching our yearly GDP.

Secondly, because setting up border with mexico has a lot of politics and laws involved with just as many politicians who favor it as who are against it. Many set to gain from it monetarily or politically. It will take a long time to make drafts, get them approved, hear law suits, etc and appeal courts, senate blah blah. Saudi is a kingdom, If they want to create a border, they only have to have money for it and don't have to care shit about any one else within the population. That is the only advantage the kingdoms have against democracies- fast decisions in creating and implementing laws. Wish we had a unity in such decisions between parties here in USA.

The republicans would fight like a wounded tiger to whatever the democrats come up with, because they will lose political momentum. They will not do it for the country, just personal and party gains- BS

That is the sad truth of today's politics in Washington.
Good luck Arizona

 

[Skitzer]

Firstly, I guess thats because the US govt will make a ton of money of of it which quite frankly we really need right now being as our nationl debt of 13 trillion is approaching our yearly GDP.

Secondly, because setting up border with mexico has a lot of politics and laws involved with just as many politicians who favor it as who are against it. Many set to gain from it monetarily or politically. It will take a long time to make drafts, get them approved, hear law suits, etc and appeal courts, senate blah blah. Saudi is a kingdom, If they want to create a border, they only have to have money for it and don't have to care shit about any one else within the population. That is the only advantage the kingdoms have against democracies- fast decisions in creating and implementing laws. Wish we had a unity in such decisions between parties here in USA.

The republicans would fight like a wounded tiger to whatever the democrats come up with, because they will lose political momentum. They will not do it for the country, just personal and party gains- BS

That is the sad truth of today's politics in Washington.
Good luck Arizona

explanation/fail

 

[santz]

explanation/fail

explain what i said is wrong then

 

[drebo]

The US (and individual states themselves) stand to SAVE a hell of a lot more by enforcing the US-Mexico boarder than it would ever make enforcing any foreign borders.

That said, if Saudi Arabia is willing to finance the entire operation, I see no problem with us lending our military technology and "intelligence" to them to help enforce their border. We cannot, however, simply ignore our own "because it would be too hard".

 

[CLite]

Officials said the U.S. military was modernizing the Saudi Arabian National Guard as well as Interior Ministry security forces. They said Riyad has ordered hundreds of millions of dollars worth of air- and ground-based reconnaissance equipment to monitor the desert border with Yemen.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2010/me_gulf0487_06_03.asp

So Saudia Arabia is paying us hundreds of millions of dollars to teach them better security, this helps balance our budget. Meanwhile Obama recently orders 1,200 national guardsmen to the U.S.-Mexico border and requested $500 Million dollars for border protection and law enforcement.

Somehow though you manage to turn this into an Obama sucks thread. You are a clueless hack with shit for brains.

 

[cubeless]

when the instructions are 'kill anyone you see crossing - either way' i think we can be of assistance...

and this surely will increase the love of the arab/islamic world for the us...

 

[palehorse]

If only we could police our own borders like Saudi polices theirs...

 

[Lemon law]

To some extent, the range of tactics the Saudi Arabia can use will not fly in the USA where people are presumed to have constitutional rights. Plus the Saudis have the oil and funding to fund total air borne surveillance the US does not have. Thirdly, most of the people trying to trespass into Saudi Arabia come armed and with terrorists intent, but many US citizens welcome illegal immigrants because they can hire them to work on the cheap.

In short, two totally different countries with two completely different set of problems, yet the thread presumption is that they are totally equivalent. So if Saudi Arabia can do it, we can do it in the USA???????????????????????????????eeeeeeeeeeh wrong.

 

[palehorse]

Will the 1200 National Guard being sent to "man our border" be given ammunition this time, or just radios and binoculars again?

 

[CPA]

Plus the Saudis have the oil....... .

Sooooooo, you're saying that the Obama Administration is beholden to the oil barons like you presumed with your favorite whipping boy, Bush?

 

[Red Dawn]

Sooooooo, you're saying that the Obama Administration is beholden to the oil barons like you presumed with your favorite whipping boy, Bush?

Not the Oil Barons but the Oil Producing States do to our desperate need of their oil.

 

[CLite]

Sooooooo, you're saying that the Obama Administration is beholden to the oil barons like you presumed with your favorite whipping boy, Bush?

No, but if they pay us for a service we accept. How the hell can the conservatives be annoyed at the U.S. earning hundreds of millions of dollars to ship out technology and training? I wish someone would address this apparent inconsistency, unless the idiot partisans in this thread are just RINO's.

 

[Danube]

Will the 1200 National Guard being sent to "man our border" be given ammunition this time, or just radios and binoculars again?

Nobody really took the 1,200 troops to border seriously (Bush pulled same stunt). When Mexico complained about the troops going down they were reassured they would not be making arrests etc. As reported last week they will be doing administrative and support work (desk jobs). Mexico now even thinks the troops are being sent to protect them lol


"Mexico does not object to United States’ plans to send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the border between the two countries as long as the soldiers do not arrest Mexicans trying to get into the United States, President Felipe Calderón said Thursday. President Obama, reacting to drug violence in northern Mexico, said Tuesday he would send the troops to secure the almost 2,000-mile border with Mexico. Mr. Calderón said that until now, Washington had not properly addressed the need to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/world/americas/28briefs-Mexbf.html


Troops to protect Mexico - typical Obamafail

 

[EagleKeeper]

So Saudia Arabia is paying us hundreds of millions of dollars to teach them better security, this helps balance our budget. Meanwhile Obama recently orders 1,200 national guardsmen to the U.S.-Mexico border and requested $500 Million dollars for border protection and law enforcement.

Somehow though you manage to turn this into an Obama sucks thread. You are a clueless hack with shit for brains.

No, but if they pay us for a service we accept. How the hell can the conservatives be annoyed at the U.S. earning hundreds of millions of dollars to ship out technology and training? I wish someone would address this apparent inconsistency, unless the idiot partisans in this thread are just RINO's.

Where within the article did you see any reference of payment to the US for services rendered?:\

They may be buying equipment; but that purchase does not come from the US government nor go into government coffers with the exception of taxes on profits.

The US government will send the military (at taxpayers expense) to train and support the Saudis.

Seems like a net loss to the taxpayer; not a profit.

 

[peonyu]

Nobody really took the 1,200 troops to border seriously (Bush pulled same stunt). When Mexico complained about the troops going down they were reassured they would not be making arrests etc. As reported last week they will be doing administrative and support work (desk jobs). Mexico now even thinks the troops are being sent to protect them lol


"Mexico does not object to United States’ plans to send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the border between the two countries as long as the soldiers do not arrest Mexicans trying to get into the United States, President Felipe Calderón said Thursday. President Obama, reacting to drug violence in northern Mexico, said Tuesday he would send the troops to secure the almost 2,000-mile border with Mexico. Mr. Calderón said that until now, Washington had not properly addressed the need to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/world/americas/28briefs-Mexbf.html


Troops to protect Mexico - typical Obamafail

""Mexico does not object to United States’ plans to send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the border between the two countries as long as the soldiers do not arrest Mexicans trying to get into the United States"

Lol Mexico has really grown some huge balls over the years.

Besides that, its not a Obamafail, its our entire leadership that fails, especially our Senate. Most of them are lifetime politicians and have been on the Senate for 30 years or more...And it shows. While we may change Presidents like used underwear, our Senators tend to stay onboard for decades [and even the near dead such as the 93 yr old Byrd is still a Senator with a vote and influence].

Lax borders in the 70s ? check
The 80s ? check
Amnesty given to 4 million mexican-illegals in the 80s ? check
border promised to be sealed after amnesty but wasnt ? check
lax borders in the 90s and 2000s ? check
troops sent to the border by both Bush AND Obama with orders to do basically nothing ? check

Our Presidents have changed numerous times since the 70s but our senate hasnt, which is why some things never seem to change...such as every President ignoring the border among other things.

 

[palehorse]

Nobody really took the 1,200 troops to border seriously (Bush pulled same stunt). When Mexico complained about the troops going down they were reassured they would not be making arrests etc. As reported last week they will be doing administrative and support work (desk jobs). Mexico now even thinks the troops are being sent to protect them lol


"Mexico does not object to United States’ plans to send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the border between the two countries as long as the soldiers do not arrest Mexicans trying to get into the United States, President Felipe Calderón said Thursday. President Obama, reacting to drug violence in northern Mexico, said Tuesday he would send the troops to secure the almost 2,000-mile border with Mexico. Mr. Calderón said that until now, Washington had not properly addressed the need to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/world/americas/28briefs-Mexbf.html

Troops to protect Mexico - typical Obamafail

f'n sickening.

 

[bfdd]

Not the Oil Barons but the Oil Producing States do to our desperate need of their oil.

lol, how much oil do we use from the Middle East again? Far less than half of the oil we use comes from the Middle East. Hell half of what we use is drilled right here, then the largest exporter to the USA is Canada, then I think Mexico, then followed by the OPEC nations(Most namely Saudi). You have USA, Canada, and Mexico contributing like 70%+ of the oil we use in the USA. Not to mention the "dependency on foreign oil" is pretty much a fucking fabricated myth. We have all the oil we could possibly want right within our reach, we don't tap it.

 

[CPA]

No, but if they pay us for a service we accept. How the hell can the conservatives be annoyed at the U.S. earning hundreds of millions of dollars to ship out technology and training? I wish someone would address this apparent inconsistency, unless the idiot partisans in this thread are just RINO's.

Who said I was upset?

 

[bfdd]

f'n sickening.

Agreed, what kind of non sense is that?

 

[bfdd]

""Mexico does not object to United States’ plans to send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the border between the two countries as long as the soldiers do not arrest Mexicans trying to get into the United States"

Lol Mexico has really grown some huge balls over the years.

Besides that, its not a Obamafail, its our entire leadership that fails, especially our Senate. Most of them are lifetime politicians and have been on the Senate for 30 years or more...And it shows. While we may change Presidents like used underwear, our Senators tend to stay onboard for decades [and even the near dead such as the 93 yr old Byrd is still a Senator with a vote and influence].

Lax borders in the 70s ? check
The 80s ? check
Amnesty given to 4 million mexican-illegals in the 80s ? check
border promised to be sealed after amnesty but wasnt ? check
lax borders in the 90s and 2000s ? check
troops sent to the border by both Bush AND Obama with orders to do basically nothing ? check

Our Presidents have changed numerous times since the 70s but our senate hasnt, which is why some things never seem to change...such as every President ignoring the border among other things.

Get rid of the 17th amendment and establish term limits for senators/congressmen. Totally needs to happen imo.