Jane Harman has got to go

[Robor]

Freaking disgusting. Any bets on nothing more than a slap on the wrist - if that?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

OK, fess up. Who pulled the string on the Harvey-bot?

:lips: my (_!_), troll!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

OK, fess up. Who pulled the string on the Harvey-bot?

:lips: my (_!_), troll!

I've told you before that it's impossible because your head is in the way.

But thanks for posting yet another one of your macro rants in a thread that really isn't about Bush. It's great when you demonstrate for everyone to plainly see how simplisiticly single-minded you are.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

OK, fess up. Who pulled the string on the Harvey-bot?

:lips: my (_!_), troll!

I've told you before that it's impossible because your head is in the way.

But thanks for posting yet another one of your macro rants in a thread that really isn't about Bush. It's great when you demonstrate for everyone to plainly see how simplisiticly single-minded you are.

It wasn't Harvey who steered this thread off course.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Fern
Shocking stuff, makes Blago look like a fairly harmless amatuer.

If true, both Harman and Gonzales should be prosecuted.

Nor is it comforting that foreigners feel they can effectively lobby Pelosi (or any other pol) to put their preferred people in sensitive & powerful government positions (the Intelegence Committe WTH???). Insane, lobbying as a whole is ridiculously and unbelievably out-of-control. The thought of an Israeli agent playing two of our politicians against one another for the israeli's objectives is sublimely absurd, and it wasn't even about money. They're US politicians getting US political career-type help from a foreigner who can apparently pull more strings with members of their own political party - Geez, that mind blowing weirdness.

Also referred to as "we told you so."

Having the Israeli secret service working behind the scenes on behalf of AIPAC should raise some eyebrows too. To my thinking this raise serious qiuestions about AIPAC, are they basically an arm of Israeli secret service etc? Does AIPAC have direct acess to Israeli SS, and if so why?

Fern

Courtesy drives me not to say much about the naivete being eroded, and just encourage it.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Vast right wing conspiracy.

Next.

Nope, not really.

But thanks for your usual drivel.

:roll:

:disgust: yourself.

If you don't believe the Gonzo part then fine, but that's not really the main issue, so it has nothing to do with me or anyone else pulling out the right wing conspiracy crap.

So you're just crapping here man, sorry for calling it like it is.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Fern
Shocking stuff, makes Blago look like a fairly harmless amatuer.

If true, both Harman and Gonzales should be prosecuted.

Nor is it comforting that foreigners feel they can effectively lobby Pelosi (or any other pol) to put their preferred people in sensitive & powerful government positions (the Intelegence Committe WTH???). Insane, lobbying as a whole is ridiculously and unbelievably out-of-control. The thought of an Israeli agent playing two of our politicians against one another for the israeli's objectives is sublimely absurd, and it wasn't even about money. They're US politicians getting US political career-type help from a foreigner who can apparently pull more strings with members of their own political party - Geez, that mind blowing weirdness.

Also referred to as "we told you so."

Having the Israeli secret service working behind the scenes on behalf of AIPAC should raise some eyebrows too. To my thinking this raise serious qiuestions about AIPAC, are they basically an arm of Israeli secret service etc? Does AIPAC have direct acess to Israeli SS, and if so why?

Fern

Courtesy drives me not to say much about the naivete being eroded, and just encourage it.

Jesus Christ you're juvenille and narcissistic. Does this post have purpose other demonstrating you're a self-congratulatory ass?

But tell you what, I'll bite and give you the chance to back it up.

(1) Link me with your previous post telling me where 'you told me so' about our any foreign sectet service exerting this type influence and no money was involved and it was direct (i.e., not through a third party with plausable deniability). I can recall no instance where foreigners played our politicians like this - no US benefit was sought or promised, rather just plain 'ole lobbying one member of a political party to get personal career benefits out of another member of the same party.

I don't think you can cite anything similar, I find this unique - and please no blog stuff or rumour/suspicion.

(2) Likewise for Israeli agents intervening in an illegal way behind the scenes for AIPAC. Concerns about their influence are often raised, but here again I think this is unprecedented.

TIA

Fern

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

OK, fess up. Who pulled the string on the Harvey-bot?

:lips: my (_!_), troll!

I've told you before that it's impossible because your head is in the way.

But thanks for posting yet another one of your macro rants in a thread that really isn't about Bush. It's great when you demonstrate for everyone to plainly see how simplisiticly single-minded you are.

It wasn't Harvey who steered this thread off course.

I know. It was someone whose nick starts with "C" and ends in "4."

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Vast right wing conspiracy.

Next.

Nope, not really.

But thanks for your usual drivel.

:roll:

:disgust: yourself.

If you don't believe the Gonzo part then fine, but that's not really the main issue, so it has nothing to do with me or anyone else pulling out the right wing conspiracy crap.

So you're just crapping here man, sorry for calling it like it is.

:roll:

 

[Craig234]

Glenn Greenwald appropriately, mercilessly hoists her by her own petard.

here.

Edit since so few people seem to click links:

So if I understand this correctly -- and I'm pretty sure I do -- when the U.S. Government eavesdropped for years on American citizens with no warrants and in violation of the law, that was "both legal and necessary" as well as "essential to U.S. national security," and it was the "despicable" whistle-blowers (such as Thomas Tamm) who disclosed that crime and the newspapers which reported it who should have been criminally investigated, but not the lawbreaking government officials. But when the U.S. Government legally and with warrants eavesdrops on Jane Harman, that is an outrageous invasion of privacy and a violent assault on her rights as an American citizen, and full-scale investigations must be commenced immediately to get to the bottom of this abuse of power. Behold Jane Harman's overnight transformation from Very Serious Champion of the Lawless Surveillance State to shrill civil liberties extremist.

But I'm really wondering: as serious as it is when a member of Congress is the target of government eavesdropping, can we really afford to investigate this? After all, we have so many very important things to do. It really seems like we need to be looking forward, not backwards. The Bush administration is gone. This all happened in 2005 -- years ago. Is this really a time to be pursuing grudges, to be re-litigating old disputes? What kind of partisan witch hunt is Harman after? We can, and surely should, reflect on what happened to her -- in fact, let us now pause together for a moment of quiet reflection on what was done to Jane Harman -- but this is not a time for retribution or looking back. "Most Americans" want the people's business done, not "abuse of power" investigations.

Besides, if Jane Harman didn't do anything wrong -- as she claims -- then what does she have to hide? Only Terrorists and criminals would mind the Government listening in. We all know that government officials have better things to do than worry about what innocent Americans are saying. If she did nothing wrong -- if all she was doing was talking to her nice constituents and AIPAC supporters about how she could be of service -- then Bush officials obviously weren't interested in what she had to say.

Beyond that, even if there were "illegal" acts committed here, surely we should be rushing to retroactively immunize those responsible, just as Harman eagerly advocated and engineered and then voted for when it came to the telecoms who broke our laws and enabled illegal spying on American citizens. That was when she voted to gut FISA protections and massively expand the Government's power to eavesdrop on Americans with no warrants as part of the Cheney/Rockefeller/Hoyer Surveillance State celebration known as the "FISA Amendments Act of 2008."

Ultimately, even if a few so-called "laws" were "broken," surely the people who did it were acting to protect us from possible foreign espionage. Are we now going to start subjecting the good men and women working to keep us safe to harassing, expensive investigations every time some member of Congress pipes up and claims they were victimized by "illegal" acts? Think how overly cautious our intelligence community will become, what that will do to morale, how much it will handcuff us in our Wars. And if, at the end of the day, all of this doesn't convice the "Rule of Law" purists among us to let bygones be bygones, I'm sure all reasonable and decent people can at least agree that the methods our government uses to eavesdrop on us are among the most sacred State Secrets that exist, and thus simply cannot and must not be reviewed by any tribunal for legality and propriety lest we all become deeply vulnerable to the Terrorists.

Droll, Glenn.

 

[Brainonska511]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...man.wiretap/index.html

It's funny how she's complaining about it, yet according to wikipedia, she has no problem with the government spying on its people Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...arrantless_wiretapping

Warrantless wiretapping
Harman defended the Bush administration's use of domestic warrantless wiretapping through the National Security Agency, saying: "I believe the program is essential to U.S. national security and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities."[13] Harman suggested that both the original "despicable"[14] whistleblowers and The New York Times, which broke the story, should be investigated, and in the case of The Times, "limits on press immunity" should be looked into.[15]

 

[EXman]

She's a dirty politician that is no shocker. Funny she supports wiretaps.The irony is pretty funny.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: EXman
She's a dirty politician that is no shocker. Funny she supports wiretaps.The irony is pretty funny.

?This conversation doesn?t exist.?

Whoops! :laugh:

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The $64 rhetorical question...are Democrats twittering away thier credibility?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
The $64 rhetorical question...are Democrats twittering away thier credibility?

I'm missing the connection.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
:roll:

Good thing we have elites like you around to bump threads back to the first page.

I'll expect another this afternoon if you don't mind.

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Pretty laughable that's she playing the victim card now, despite the wiretap......having a warrant to back it up.

I believe on one of the shows yesterday she was lamenting how other "groups" she's had conversations with are scared shitless that they might be on tape.

Well, I guess that depends....how many spies for foreign governments does she converse with on a daily basis?

Gonzo has also refused to comment, which is to be expected I guess. Besides if he gets called up he'll either pull an executive privilege or just go to the "I don't recall" trump card. Win-win either way for him.

I hope this upcoming Rosen trial is interesting, I'd at least like to know definitively which members of Congress or Pentagon insiders passed the info to him.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Jeeze

 

[dyn2nvu]

There's a new article about Harman, by Glen.

So if I understand this correctly -- and I'm pretty sure I do -- when the U.S. Government eavesdropped for years on American citizens with no warrants and in violation of the law, that was "both legal and necessary" as well as "essential to U.S. national security," and it was the "despicable" whistle-blowers (such as Thomas Tamm) who disclosed that crime and the newspapers which reported it who should have been criminally investigated, but not the lawbreaking government officials. But when the U.S. Government legally and with warrants eavesdrops on Jane Harman, that is an outrageous invasion of privacy and a violent assault on her rights as an American citizen, and full-scale investigations must be commenced immediately to get to the bottom of this abuse of power. Behold Jane Harman's overnight transformation from Very Serious Champion of the Lawless Surveillance State to shrill civil liberties extremist.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/g...4/21/harman/index.html