Jane Harman has got to go

ayabe

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From Salon:

"Rep. Jane Harman , the California Democrat with a longtime involvement in intelligence issues, was overheard on an NSA wiretap telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage-related charges against two officials of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel organization in Washington.

Harman was recorded saying she would ?waddle into? the AIPAC case ?if you think it?ll make a difference,? according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.

In exchange for Harman?s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.

Seemingly wary of what she had just agreed to, according to an official who read the NSA transcript, Harman hung up after saying, ?This conversation doesn?t exist.?

That's not even the most significant part. Back in October, 2006, Time reported that the DOJ and FBI were investigating whether Harman and AIPAC "violated the law in a scheme to get Harman reappointed as the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee" and "the probe also involves whether, in exchange for the help from AIPAC, Harman agreed to help try to persuade the Administration to go lighter on the AIPAC officials caught up in the ongoing investigation." So that part has been known since 2006.

Stein adds today that Harman was captured on an NSA wiretap conspiring with an Israeli agent to apply pressure on DOJ officials to scale back the AIPAC prosecution. But the real crux of Stein's scoop is that then-Attorney General Alberto Gonazles intervened to kill the criminal investigation into Harman -- even though DOJ lawyers had concluded that she committed crimes -- because top Bush officials wanted Harman's credibility to be preserved so that she could publicly defend the Bush administration's illegal warrantless eavesdropping program:

Contrary to reports that the Harman investigation was dropped for ?lack of evidence,? it was Alberto R. Gonzales, President Bush?s top counsel and then attorney general, who intervened to stop the Harman probe.

Why? Because, according to three top former national security officials, Gonzales wanted Harman to be able to help defend the administration?s warrantless wiretapping program, which was about to break in The New York Times and engulf the White House. . . .

Justice Department attorneys in the intelligence and public corruption units who read the transcripts decided that Harman had committed a ?completed crime,? a legal term meaning that there was evidence that she had attempted to complete it, three former officials said. . . .

Then-CIA Director Porter J. Goss reviewed the Harman transcript and signed off on the Justice Department?s FISA application. . . . Goss, a former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, deemed the matter particularly urgent because of Harman?s rank as the panel?s top Democrat.

But that?s when, according to knowledgeable officials, Attorney General Gonzales intervened.

According to two officials privy to the events, Gonzales said he ?needed Jane? to help support the administration?s warrantless wiretapping program, which was about to be exposed by the New York Times.

Harman, he told Goss, had helped persuade the newspaper to hold the wiretap story before, on the eve of the 2004 elections. And although it was too late to stop the Times from publishing now, she could be counted on again to help defend the program

He was right.

On Dec. 21, 2005, in the midst of a firestorm of criticism about the wiretaps, Harman issued a statement defending the operation and slamming the Times, saying, ?I believe it essential to U.S. national security, and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.?

And thanks to grateful Bush administration officials, the investigation of Harman was effectively dead.

Indeed, as I've noted many times, Jane Harman, in the wake of the NSA scandal, became probably the most crucial defender of the Bush warrantless eavesdropping program, using her status as "the ranking Democratic on the House intelligence committee" to repeatedly praise the NSA program as "essential to U.S. national security" and "both necessary and legal." She even went on Meet the Press to defend the program along with GOP Sen. Pat Roberts and Rep. Pete Hoekstra, and she even strongly suggested that the whistleblowers who exposed the lawbreaking and perhaps even the New York Times (but not Bush officials) should be criminally investigated, saying she "deplored the leak," that "it is tragic that a lot of our capability is now across the pages of the newspapers," and that the whistleblowers were "despicable." And Eric Lichtblau himself described how Harman, in 2004, attempted very aggressively to convince him not to write about the NSA program.

Stein's entire story should be read. It's a model of excellent reporting, as it relies on numerous sources with first-hand knowledge of the NSA transcripts (and what sweet justice it would be if Harman's guilt were established by government eavesdropping). It should be noted that Harman has issued a general denial of wrongdoing (but does not appear to deny that she had the discussion Stein reports), and the sources in Stein's story are anonymous (though because they're disclosing classified information and exposing government wrongdoing, it's a classic case of when anonymity is justifiable; and note Stein's efforts to provide as much information as possible about his sources and why they are anonymous).

There are many questions that the story raises -- Josh Marshall notes just some of those vital questions here -- and Harman's guilt therefore shouldn't be assumed. But obviously, given all the very serious issues this story raises -- involving what seem to be credible allegations of very serious wrongdoing by a key member of Congress, the former Attorney General and one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in the country -- full-scale investigations are needed, to put it mildly.

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Glenn Greenwald short take


I don't really know what to say about this, I'm not surprised of course, but there needs to be a full investigation, and she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent if found guilty.

The real troublesome part here is that this kind of stuff is probably more of "the norm" than an exception.

This AIPAC stuff is completely out of control and it's no surprise that a lot of Muslim nations feel that we're in bed with Israel and mistrust us because of it -because we are.

Poor Gonzo just can't catch a break, how many laws has he violated now? It's time for him to walk the plank already, squashing a legit investigation in exchange for helping him CYA on the Bush Admins illegal warrantless wiretapping? My head just exploded.


 

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?I believe it essential to U.S. national security, and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.?

?I believe it essential to U.S. national security, and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.?

?I believe it essential to U.S. national security, and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.?

?I believe it essential to U.S. national security, and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.?

?I believe it essential to U.S. national security, and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.?

?I believe it essential to U.S. national security, and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.?

?I believe it essential to U.S. national security, and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.?


National Security.

I could tell you ..... but then I would have to kill you.


It's time to dig up Frank Church (and put Harmon on the Hot Seat).


 

marincounty

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If Arnold is a RINO, then Jane Harman is a DINO. Notice the Bush admin covered this up.
And Nancy Pelosi DID NOT appoint her as head of the intelligence committee.
 

Stoneburner

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I concur with the thread title. This is flatly wrong.

Our israeli allies really need to cut out the spying business.
 

ElFenix

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anyone else find bolding really difficult to read?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: marincounty
If Arnold is a RINO, then Jane Harman is a DINO. Notice the Bush admin covered this up.
And Nancy Pelosi DID NOT appoint her as head of the intelligence committee.

This. I don't follow Harman closely, but what I have seen has always concerned me. If true, hopefully she will be gone and replaced by a progressive. Not sure the odds on that.

Her alleged behavior is just despicable, a violation of the trust of her especially as a member of the opposition party, playing footsie replacing oversight with 'got your back'.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
anyone else find bolding really difficult to read?

NOT ME


I'm glad we have such honest members of Congress that are Americans first and politicians second.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: OCguy

Shady as hell.....

Will it shock you to learn that I agree? :Q

I don't like this kind of crap from any side of the aisle. :thumbsdown: :|
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: OCguy

Shady as hell.....

Will it shock you to learn that I agree? :Q

I don't like this kind of crap from any side of the aisle. :thumbsdown: :|

Umpteenth example disproving the right's claims we won't ever attack Democrats.

But they're like goldfish - if we do it on 61 issues and not #62 - "you will never say anything bad about a Democrat".

Sometimes I wonder what the problem with them is - do they just not understand the idea of supporting principles over party or people, and they're projecting that onto others?
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: Craig234

Umpteenth example disproving the right's claims we won't ever attack Democrats.

But they're like goldfish - if we do it on 61 issues and not #62 - "you will never say anything bad about a Democrat".

Sometimes I wonder what the problem with them is - do they just not understand the idea of supporting principles over party or people, and they're projecting that onto others?

When you derail every thread in P&N with references back to threads like these, make sh1tty idiotic songs about said threads, post in a rabid frothing at the mouth manner, and abandon any resemblence of common sense based in a real world setting...

...then, and only then, will you have 'examples disproving the right's claims we won't ever attack Democrats.'. Until then, you're a partisan hack, nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: OCguy

Shady as hell.....

Will it shock you to learn that I agree? :Q

I don't like this kind of crap from any side of the aisle. :thumbsdown: :|

Umpteenth example disproving the right's claims we won't ever attack Democrats.

But they're like goldfish - if we do it on 61 issues and not #62 - "you will never say anything bad about a Democrat".

Sometimes I wonder what the problem with them is - do they just not understand the idea of supporting principles over party or people, and they're projecting that onto others?
When either side has the opposition dead-to-rights with little to no doubt remaining of guilt there are always those on both sides that will condemn. It's nothing new in here, nor is it any shiney, happy characteristic that's in sole possession of the left side of the aisle.

If there was some doubt in this case there would be the usual sides arguing. There is no doubt so there's capitulation instead.
 

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
It's time to dig up Frank Church (and put Harmon on the Hot Seat).

Senator Frank Church was a Lion, a real stand-up man of courage and vision and principle, and a great American.

He died young, but he lives in my heart.
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Harvey

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

If there was some doubt in this case there would be the usual sides arguing. There is no doubt so there's capitulation instead.

There is NO doubt that your EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang committed murder, torture and crimes against humanity. Proving treason may be a little more difficult.

Are you trying to invent some contorted, negative explanation why, unlike you and other lying, perverted Bushwhacko supporters, we're standing on the right side of an ethical issue, regardless of party affiliation? :roll:
 

Fern

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Shocking stuff, makes Blago look like a fairly harmless amatuer.

If true, both Harman and Gonzales should be prosecuted.

Nor is it comforting that foreigners feel they can effectively lobby Pelosi (or any other pol) to put their preferred people in sensitive & powerful government positions (the Intelegence Committe WTH???). Insane, lobbying as a whole is ridiculously and unbelievably out-of-control. The thought of an Israeli agent playing two of our politicians against one another for the israeli's objectives is sublimely absurd, and it wasn't even about money. They're US politicians getting US political career-type help from a foreigner who can apparently pull more strings with members of their own political party - Geez, that mind blowing weirdness.

Having the Israeli secret service working behind the scenes on behalf of AIPAC should raise some eyebrows too. To my thinking this raise serious qiuestions about AIPAC, are they basically an arm of Israeli secret service etc? Does AIPAC have direct acess to Israeli SS, and if so why?

Fern
 

ayabe

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Well the AIPAC'r in question if Steve Rosen, who was basically caught red handed passing classified material to the Israeli's, one might wonder how a lobbyist would get this info in the first place, which points back to Harman and/or others in Congress, who either are or were on the Intelligence CMTE, which in itself presents a huge problem.


This is my main beef, even more than the Gonzo angle if that could even be proven.

I also have to ask myself, if AIPAC existed and wielded the current influence it does, I'd have to think that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg might have walked away free of charge.