Jane Fonda - Poll - Forgive or Traitor

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Zebo

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Zebo, nice try playing the Jesus and god card. It won't work however. Communism has failed EVERYWHERE and it will never work. Aren't you one of the people talking about separation of church and state?

And now you're assuming that since god is or was a communist so we should be too?

For your information, Jesus lived in a relatively different world than we live now. You're totally incorrect by saying Jesus was a communist. He might have had socialist values. Did Jesus want the government to have total control over the daily aspects of its citizens? Please show me where did he say or imply this.

And guess what? Socialism and communism aren't the same exact thing. Its a mistake most people make not realizing the differences between the two. In communism, people don't have much say in how the economy works, but in socialism, people actually do play a part. For example, Stalin was not a socialist. If you want the government to control all aspects of the economy and have no private property, then go ahead. I won't join you. Although both are flawed and will inevitably fail, socialism is a better and more functional form of communism where this is no authoritarian control.


I'm no advocate of Communism, just sayin'...maybe she looks at it though that idealistic lens? Does'nt make her ignorant biatch. Oh I'm not big into separation of Church and state either like the ACLU or anything. That judge down in AL should have left his 10 commandments. Communism is nothing more than a police state since someone has to control means of production, the party, the powerful, end up controlling everything and then imposing a police state on it's citizens and gulag for those that dare speak out. No property rights no nothing.,= misery for 99%.

I know the differences...Socialism is alright, I prefer social democracy, Which is socalism light.. Capitalism combined with modest redistriutionist/socialist overtones + democratic government. Basically what we have now.:)



 

impeachbush

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: impeachbush
Those who can't forgive, especially a woman who has specifically asked the country for forgiveness, are a danger to society. If Bush came to me and said I'm sorry, I allowed my arrogance, greed, and bloodlust to ruin the country, I'd forgive him. That would make a much more interesting poll... George Bush-Poll-Forgive or Traitor

What did she actually ask forgiveness for. Getting a photo taken, consorting with the enemy, providing aid & comfot to the enemy.

You are also stating that "arrogance, greed, and bloodlust to ruin the country".

Please identify the greed portion. Where is he making any money off of the situation.

His presidency is part of the reward he was seeking, and used coorporate greed to get there. Its works like this...I'll give you handouts once in office if you pay to get me there. Now president, he's returning the favor at my expense. :thumbsdown:
 

Zebo

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For your information, Jesus lived in a relatively different world than we live now. You're totally incorrect by saying Jesus was a communist. He might have had socialist values. Did Jesus want the government to have total control over the daily aspects of its citizens? Please show me where did he say or imply this.

For your information, Time does'nt matter with universal truths found in the Bible. We are still the same people then as we are now. Plus if you pick and choose only some of Jesus' teachings you can't really be called a Christian now can you? If you only use parts of the Bible you find convienant for the times or the political situtation you live that's a called hypocrit. Unless you're into the Old Testament which is indeed a conservative's and many a modern Christains paradise. But then you're a Jew simply yelling Jesus and ignoring the profound difference that occurred on the cross.

The Old Testament advocated eye for eye, war, undemocratic societies, monarchy, slavery, women as chattel (bitch you called her, right). Yep sounds about right from many I've meet and see posting here.


You're talking the evils faulty man introduces to communism. But as a concept, the redistributive nature is talked about thoughout the New Testament. The rich are clearly portayed as wicked. You might find this horrifing beware:

"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need." (Acts 2:44-45).

"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had? There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need." (Acts 4:32,34,35)

"But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry." (Luke 6:24,25)

"Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Luke 18:25)

"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all evil." (1 Timothy 6:9,10)

"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share." (1 Timothy 6:17,18)

"Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who loved him? But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?" (James 2:5-7)

"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourself in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered innocent men, who were not opposing you." (James 5:1-6)

Redistribution is not some option but a duty.
 

LASTGUY2GETPS2

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I actually have a dollar bill at my other home that says "Boycott Jane Fonda American Traitor" Stamped on it....
 

raildogg

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You are justifying communism in your own mind. We are the same people now as we were then? Interesting, guess 2,000 years of discovery and new ideas doesn't matter. There are many parts of the bible which we don't take literally. I have never denied that Jesus had socialist values, but please don't label him or the bible as communist. Taking from the rich and redistributing it among the poor is a perfect example of socialism. Equality is another example. And I'm a Jew? Where did you pull that from? Ohhh I get it, firm supporters of Israel must be Jewish. I guess the people who strongly back the Palestinians here must be Arab.

Do you understand the concept of a vision and actually carrying it out? Communism is a nice concept but it will lead to ones own destruction. If we took the bible word for word, there would be no mankind as we know it.

You mentioned the Catholic Church. Do you understand that it was one of the main forces behind the fall of the USSR? Do you understand that the late Pope John Paul expressed solidarity with the movement against communism in Poland in the 80s and other places in the world? He and the Vatican were one of the main international figures who brought the fall of the Soviet Union.

Please lets stick on the topic at hand, which is that ignorant b!tch, Jane Fonda.

Congrats to the Vietnam war hero for letting her know that what she did is not forgotten and will never be forgiven.
 

raildogg

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lol ... call me what you wish. And did I ever admit I was a christian? NO. Did I ever admit I was Jewish? NO. I'm simply a person who respects all religions. Your ASSuming I'm Jewish or whatever you believe I am because it satisfies you and you can't refute anything. Your tolerance is showing clearly. Please tell me how you reached the conclusion I'm Jewish. Heh, I never knew I had Jewish parents, guess you know more about me than even myself. Your parents must be Jewish in order for you to be a Jew, am I correct? :laugh: You're the the proclaiming to know everything about Jesus and the Bible while I'm just refuting your false assertions. Becoming a Christian involves much more than reciting mantra or a few words here and there. Getting baptized or taking a communion does not make you a Christian. You become a Christian by your relationship with Christ.

I love these people, they completely go off topic and then throw something at you that doesn't mean anything. This topic was about Jane Fonda, no?

And who brought Christianity and Jesus into this convo?

Forgiveness doesn't automatically make one Christian. I'm sure many of those Vietnam vets and other Americans are good Christians, yet they will never forgive this b!tch.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: AltonTN
I was in Vietnam when she was and she didn't do anything to help us.

Bob Hope, and a host of other celebs came to boost our moral. She was in Hanoi boosting the moral of our enemies. If that is not a traitor, someone please explain what one would have to do to become a traitor.

Well according to Article 3, Section 3, she committed treason by giving aid and comfort to the North Vietnamese and NLF. Wonder why she wasn't shot. Because of her visit and the events that followed, a few men were directly beaten and some even died because of those beatings.

By the way, this isn't the first time she was spat upon by a US soldier. Unfortunately that soldier almost died for doing that.

When she visited North Vietnam, she said that American POWs were being treated well and called the US soldiers liars and war criminals. She then had the audacity to say that they were lying about being tortured by the North Vietnamese. Wonder why she got off so easy.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: impeachbush
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: impeachbush
Those who can't forgive, especially a woman who has specifically asked the country for forgiveness, are a danger to society. If Bush came to me and said I'm sorry, I allowed my arrogance, greed, and bloodlust to ruin the country, I'd forgive him. That would make a much more interesting poll... George Bush-Poll-Forgive or Traitor

What did she actually ask forgiveness for. Getting a photo taken, consorting with the enemy, providing aid & comfot to the enemy.

You are also stating that "arrogance, greed, and bloodlust to ruin the country".

Please identify the greed portion. Where is he making any money off of the situation.

His presidency is part of the reward he was seeking, and used coorporate greed to get there. Its works like this...I'll give you handouts once in office if you pay to get me there. Now president, he's returning the favor at my expense. :thumbsdown:

We are getting off topic; but few presidents since Ike have not used horsetrading for political power and access to the WhiteHouse.

 

impeachbush

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: impeachbush
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: impeachbush
Those who can't forgive, especially a woman who has specifically asked the country for forgiveness, are a danger to society. If Bush came to me and said I'm sorry, I allowed my arrogance, greed, and bloodlust to ruin the country, I'd forgive him. That would make a much more interesting poll... George Bush-Poll-Forgive or Traitor

What did she actually ask forgiveness for. Getting a photo taken, consorting with the enemy, providing aid & comfot to the enemy.

You are also stating that "arrogance, greed, and bloodlust to ruin the country".

Please identify the greed portion. Where is he making any money off of the situation.

His presidency is part of the reward he was seeking, and used coorporate greed to get there. Its works like this...I'll give you handouts once in office if you pay to get me there. Now president, he's returning the favor at my expense. :thumbsdown:

We are getting off topic; but few presidents since Ike have not used horsetrading for political power and access to the WhiteHouse.

You are probably correct. But that doesn't excuse Bush and Cheney for doing it. The number of deals and the level of corruption in the Bush/Cheney 'horsetrades' is far greater than any politician on earth ever. When Haliburton starts planning for the Iraq War before bush even takes office, you know that these people are evil. If you can't eventually swallow your pride and admit that this is the worst corruption this country has ever witnessed, especially with new piles of evidence comming out everyday, you are one of them, you do not love your country, and you could care less about your fellow man. I can't spell it out more plainly. If I voted for the guy, I'd probably sit here defending him till blue in the face, but in my heart I'd know I was wrong.

 
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Once again we see the total polarization of this country. The number of people who forgive or don't think there's anything to forgive are almost exactly the same as those who cry traitor. Fascinating.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Once again we see the total polarization of this country. The number of people who forgive or don't think there's anything to forgive are almost exactly the same as those who cry traitor. Fascinating.

Much has to do with peoples experiences and or conceptions.

The age of the country may be spilt between those who are above/below 40 .

Those of us above 45+ experienced the war directly in one way of another.
Some have also seen the results of appeasement.

Those below 30 have only had it spoon fed to them from books and or the media/entertainment industry.

 

impeachbush

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Once again we see the total polarization of this country. The number of people who forgive or don't think there's anything to forgive are almost exactly the same as those who cry traitor. Fascinating.

Much has to do with peoples experiences and or conceptions.

The age of the country may be spilt between those who are above/below 40 .

Those of us above 45+ experienced the war directly in one way of another.
Some have also seen the results of appeasement.

Those below 30 have only had it spoon fed to them from books and or the media/entertainment industry.
It would be a shame to let Jane Fonda destroy your salvation...

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

I love preaching to republicans :roll:
 

Yahootie

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She did nothing wrong!

Lt. Caley and the military command did plenty wrong by murdering any suspicious looking civilians.
If the military would have pulled their heads out of thier collective poop shoots,
stopped Smoking dope, Shooting Heroin, Chasing Pussy, Murdering civilians,
Raping villages and generally being Stupid American Pigs we might have pulled off a win.
Unfortunately you still see them today. The misinformed flag waving jackals of war the world is growing to hate so much. If only they would try to win instead of crying about Hanoi Jane and everyone who values peace and freedom is doing them wrong.

I like most Americans am sick and tired of a bunch of misinformed Jingoistic Hate Mongering crybabies trying to force thier vicious swift boat agenda down my throat. Too bad they weren't the casualty Jane supposedly caused; the US would be a better place today.

Look at who represents this position! A Fat Stupid Hillbilly, so manly and brave he actually SPITS ON A WOMAN! What a hero of an American!

God you do impress me you loathsome Jingoistic turds!
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: impeachbush
It would be a shame to let Jane Fonda destroy your salvation...

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

I love preaching to republicans :roll:

Preach all you want. Preaching to the choir will not convert anyone new.

Some others are sheep that can be lead because they can not think for themselves and need others to tell them what to think.

She and others seem to fail to realize that others gave their lives so she couild spit (figuratively) on those that will spill their blood for her.

 

impeachbush

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: impeachbush
It would be a shame to let Jane Fonda destroy your salvation...

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

I love preaching to republicans :roll:

Preach all you want. Preaching to the choir will not convert anyone new.

Some others are sheep that can be lead because they can not think for themselves and need others to tell them what to think.

She and others seem to fail to realize that others gave their lives so she couild spit (figuratively) on those that will spill their blood for her.
Your agenda is as obvious as your pretend outrage.

 

sauza

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She's guilty of treason, but was definitely a hottie in her pre-treason film Barbarella.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Yahootie
She did nothing wrong!

Lt. Caley and the military command did plenty wrong by murdering any suspicious looking civilians.
If the military would have pulled their heads out of thier collective poop shoots,
stopped Smoking dope, Shooting Heroin, Chasing Pussy, Murdering civilians,
Raping villages and generally being Stupid American Pigs we might have pulled off a win.
Unfortunately you still see them today. The misinformed flag waving jackals of war the world is growing to hate so much. If only they would try to win instead of crying about Hanoi Jane and everyone who values peace and freedom is doing them wrong.

I like most Americans am sick and tired of a bunch of misinformed Jingoistic Hate Mongering crybabies trying to force thier vicious swift boat agenda down my throat. Too bad they weren't the casualty Jane supposedly caused; the US would be a better place today.

Look at who represents this position! A Fat Stupid Hillbilly, so manly and brave he actually SPITS ON A WOMAN! What a hero of an American!

God you do impress me you loathsome Jingoistic turds!

Don't Sugar coat it.

Raildog I aint saying your religion is jewish, but you certianly could make the conversion w/o even reading the talmud. Enough OT. We already got a PMs going if you want to continue.



 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Yahootie
She did nothing wrong!

Lt. Caley and the military command did plenty wrong by murdering any suspicious looking civilians.
If the military would have pulled their heads out of thier collective poop shoots,
stopped Smoking dope, Shooting Heroin, Chasing Pussy, Murdering civilians,
Raping villages and generally being Stupid American Pigs we might have pulled off a win.
Unfortunately you still see them today. The misinformed flag waving jackals of war the world is growing to hate so much. If only they would try to win instead of crying about Hanoi Jane and everyone who values peace and freedom is doing them wrong.

I like most Americans am sick and tired of a bunch of misinformed Jingoistic Hate Mongering crybabies trying to force thier vicious swift boat agenda down my throat. Too bad they weren't the casualty Jane supposedly caused; the US would be a better place today.

Look at who represents this position! A Fat Stupid Hillbilly, so manly and brave he actually SPITS ON A WOMAN! What a hero of an American!

God you do impress me you loathsome Jingoistic turds!

.. says the brave P&N poster who made a new account just to post this. :roll:
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Yahootie
She did nothing wrong!

Lt. Caley and the military command did plenty wrong by murdering any suspicious looking civilians.
If the military would have pulled their heads out of thier collective poop shoots,
stopped Smoking dope, Shooting Heroin, Chasing Pussy, Murdering civilians,
Raping villages and generally being Stupid American Pigs we might have pulled off a win.
Unfortunately you still see them today. The misinformed flag waving jackals of war the world is growing to hate so much. If only they would try to win instead of crying about Hanoi Jane and everyone who values peace and freedom is doing them wrong.

I like most Americans am sick and tired of a bunch of misinformed Jingoistic Hate Mongering crybabies trying to force thier vicious swift boat agenda down my throat. Too bad they weren't the casualty Jane supposedly caused; the US would be a better place today.

Look at who represents this position! A Fat Stupid Hillbilly, so manly and brave he actually SPITS ON A WOMAN! What a hero of an American!

God you do impress me you loathsome Jingoistic turds!

.. says the brave P&N poster who made a new account just to post this. :roll:

I would think anyone willing to try and defend Ms. Fonda would prefer to do it anyonomousy. Nuff said, right!
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: impeachbush
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Once again we see the total polarization of this country. The number of people who forgive or don't think there's anything to forgive are almost exactly the same as those who cry traitor. Fascinating.

Much has to do with peoples experiences and or conceptions.

The age of the country may be spilt between those who are above/below 40 .

Those of us above 45+ experienced the war directly in one way of another.
Some have also seen the results of appeasement.

Those below 30 have only had it spoon fed to them from books and or the media/entertainment industry.
It would be a shame to let Jane Fonda destroy your salvation...

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

I love preaching to republicans :roll:


Not all republicans are religious, dumbass.

 

BurnItDwn

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hmm ... she supported the enemy in a VERY controversial war. Let's see, she was applauding the enemy as they killed Americans who were sent there, often against their wills a la draft.

I don't see this as a being just a "political" stunt, as she should have directed her anger and maybe some constructive criticism towards the American Policymakers who started that war in the first place.

I am not a religious person, and therefore, to me, the bible is crap, and foregiveness is a fantasy word.

I judge her a traitor and therefore she does not get any forgiveness from me whatsoever.
 

impeachbush

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Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
hmm ... she supported the enemy in a VERY controversial war. Let's see, she was applauding the enemy as they killed Americans who were sent there, often against their wills a la draft.

I don't see this as a being just a "political" stunt, as she should have directed her anger and maybe some constructive criticism towards the American Policymakers who started that war in the first place.

I am not a religious person, and therefore, to me, the bible is crap, and foregiveness is a fantasy word.

I judge her a traitor and therefore she does not get any forgiveness from me whatsoever.

Ok, take religion out of it. How about this... the act of forgiving is a trait humans are born with, some more than others, and is essential for the survival, reproduction, and intellectual progress of mankind.

i threw out the bible verse just to get under the 'religious' republicans skin. I know many republicans here profess to follow Christ, but when you read their Jane Fonda posts you can almost here them chanting in unison... 'CRUCIFY HER, CRUCIFY HER, CRUCIFY HER!'