Well just thinking now, even if you had a total ban on guns for civilians - lets say it came in force tomorrow, how many people would actually hand in their firearms.
You would have to wait for them to seize/rust up
Phokus
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I would say social pressure, youth depression, etc. are probably more likely than violent video games. In Japan, kids commit suicide (they even have websites dedicated to it), in the USA, kids commit suicide and some go on rampages. It just manifests in different ways.
You seem to be in agreement with me, however additionally I blame violent media for encouraging or inuring people, even on a subconscious level. It may not be the only cause of the problem but it may contribute. Whereas it may provide an aggression outlet for some, it certainly doesn't help others. As a society we must look at why there is such demand for blood thirsty media, and whether impressionable children should be given access to it.
Personally, I believe a lack of respect for elders, authority, and social norms is also a major contributing issue. I am all for questioning of authority, but there are appropriate methods to do it: writing, speeches, rallies, even perhaps vandalism. But there also exists a problem of personal rebels who hate society around them just enough that when confronted with some tipping point situation, they violently act out.
Whoozyerdaddy
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I just cruised Fox News to find the video. Apparently they thought he was an ass too. There are a ton of video clips on the shooting... none with Thompson.
You can't control what your "expert" is going to say on live TV but you sure as hell don't have to repeat it.
You can't control what your "expert" is going to say on live TV but you sure as hell don't have to repeat it.
Eh its not surprising really.
Fox is going to run their tidbits about it being all about "violence, immorality, etc" thats causing the problems where as the more liberal media outlets will jump on the "omg ban all guns now" tirade.
Same story, different authors.
Fox is going to run their tidbits about it being all about "violence, immorality, etc" thats causing the problems where as the more liberal media outlets will jump on the "omg ban all guns now" tirade.
Same story, different authors.
Actually now that I think about it.......
TWO Columbine white goth kids only killed afew in a cafeteria full of students.
ONE Asian kid kills 2, evades capture for 2 and a half hours, then kills 30 more for a 32:1 KDR.
Jack Thompson might have a point.
TWO Columbine white goth kids only killed afew in a cafeteria full of students.
ONE Asian kid kills 2, evades capture for 2 and a half hours, then kills 30 more for a 32:1 KDR.
Jack Thompson might have a point.
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You can't control what they say but rather than put any self proclaimed "expert" on your airwaves to push an agenda you could take the time to do some quick research into person first. This happens on all news programs during incidents like this because the networks are all scrambling to be the one with some fresh new angle. This is why the Stern "Baba Booey" callers never have a problem getting themselves on the air during moments like this. These news organizations need to step back and take a close look at exactly how they determine who gets airtime during major live stories and what they can do to prevent groups and individuals such as Jack Thompson from slipping through and peddling their agenda as expert information.
UberNeuman
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How many other news organizations had JT on as an "expert?" :disgust:
And there's a whole world of difference when News Networks jump too soon and put some "eyewitness/stern flunky" on the air - then to take a person who has no creditably, JT, and proclaim him an expert.... Like the time when Hannity had the two care "nurses" on and they proceeded to talk about Terri Schiavo was talking to them and walking around.........:frown:
Fox has the habit of doing that - they play to the stupidity of the masses..... It's not Fox News - it's News for the mentally impaired....
To say that video games have a detrimental effect on kids is idiotic. They have the same video games in Canada, and look at their youth crime rate.
Also, GoPackGo made a good point with the man in the tower during the 60s. Where was his "GTA"?
You know what I'd argue? That video games are more like release. Therapeutic, even. I know after a crappy ass day, I feel like going home and blowing up some virtual buildings cars and people. I never think about hurting real people, though. ( except when it comes to mass-murdering jackasses and fascist pigs
)
The problem is not kids playing video games, it's OUR AMERICAN KIDS, and how they INTERPRET the games. It's our parents, and it's our society. It's OUR fault, not the video game makers or movie makers. Take some f-ing responsibility.
Also, GoPackGo made a good point with the man in the tower during the 60s. Where was his "GTA"?
You know what I'd argue? That video games are more like release. Therapeutic, even. I know after a crappy ass day, I feel like going home and blowing up some virtual buildings cars and people. I never think about hurting real people, though. ( except when it comes to mass-murdering jackasses and fascist pigs
)The problem is not kids playing video games, it's OUR AMERICAN KIDS, and how they INTERPRET the games. It's our parents, and it's our society. It's OUR fault, not the video game makers or movie makers. Take some f-ing responsibility.
It's competition for dead end meaningless jobs and lives with two parents chasing an ever more vanishing rainbow. Compete or die equals kill. America has lost its spiritual center and replaced it with 'get ahead of thy neighbor'. A no pity cold culture creates a no pity citizenry. Year by year, the need to make the next guy feel as bad as you do destroys humanity. We will awaken or we will go extinct. All any human being ever wanted was a life of meaning. You can't have that if you feel worthless. You can't become conscious of how worthless you feel as long as your whole life is designed to deny it. Thus is our cure always 180 degrees from where we search.Originally posted by: manowar821
To say that video games have a detrimental effect on kids is idiotic. They have the same video games in Canada, and look at their youth crime rate.
Also, GoPackGo made a good point with the man in the tower during the 60s. Where was his "GTA"?
You know what I'd argue? That video games are more like release. Therapeutic, even. I know after a crappy ass day, I feel like going home and blowing up some virtual buildings cars and people. I never think about hurting real people, though. ( except when it comes to mass-murdering jackasses and fascist pigs
The problem is not kids playing video games, it's OUR AMERICAN KIDS, and how they INTERPRET the games. It's our parents, and it's our society. It's OUR fault, not the video game makers or movie makers. Take some f-ing responsibility.
So much rage because there is so much buried pain.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's competition for dead end meaningless jobs and lives with two parents chasing an ever more vanishing rainbow. Compete or die equals kill. America has lost its spiritual center and replaced it with 'get ahead of thy neighbor'. A no pity cold culture creates a no pity citizenry. Year by year, the need to make the next guy feel as bad as you do destroys humanity. We will awaken or we will go extinct. All any human being ever wanted was a life of meaning. You can't have that if you feel worthless. You can't become conscious of how worthless you feel as long as your whole life is designed to deny it. Thus is our cure always 180 degrees from where we search.Originally posted by: manowar821
To say that video games have a detrimental effect on kids is idiotic. They have the same video games in Canada, and look at their youth crime rate.
Also, GoPackGo made a good point with the man in the tower during the 60s. Where was his "GTA"?
You know what I'd argue? That video games are more like release. Therapeutic, even. I know after a crappy ass day, I feel like going home and blowing up some virtual buildings cars and people. I never think about hurting real people, though. ( except when it comes to mass-murdering jackasses and fascist pigs
The problem is not kids playing video games, it's OUR AMERICAN KIDS, and how they INTERPRET the games. It's our parents, and it's our society. It's OUR fault, not the video game makers or movie makers. Take some f-ing responsibility.
So much rage because there is so much buried pain.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, word for word.
The games aren't the cause, they are a symptom. If we as a culture hunger for these types of games then something is wrong with us, not the games themselves.
Moonbeam pegged it, these days all we care about is doing better at whatever than someone else. Gore Vidal said it best: "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail."
Moonbeam pegged it, these days all we care about is doing better at whatever than someone else. Gore Vidal said it best: "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail."
Starbuck1975
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- Jan 6, 2005
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Jack Thompson isn't the only attention whore exploiting the Virginia Tech shootings.
In flipping through the various news channels yesterday, all of them had supposed "experts" on school shootings, all of whom blamed either gun control, movies, popular media or videogames for the "culture of violence" in our society.
I don't recall her name, but there was one liberal commentator on MSNBC who correlated the Virginia Tech shootings to Imus, Mel Gibson and Kramer...in that our society has essentially become too tolerant of free speech and violence.
Conservatives and liberals will rally around the Virginia Tech shootings, both calling for increased censorship, increased control, increased restrictions...the only distinction...conservatives will do it in the name of Jesus and liberals will do it in the name of saving society from itself.
In flipping through the various news channels yesterday, all of them had supposed "experts" on school shootings, all of whom blamed either gun control, movies, popular media or videogames for the "culture of violence" in our society.
I don't recall her name, but there was one liberal commentator on MSNBC who correlated the Virginia Tech shootings to Imus, Mel Gibson and Kramer...in that our society has essentially become too tolerant of free speech and violence.
Conservatives and liberals will rally around the Virginia Tech shootings, both calling for increased censorship, increased control, increased restrictions...the only distinction...conservatives will do it in the name of Jesus and liberals will do it in the name of saving society from itself.
Already happened, more then a few times.
Ehh not likely ... he appeals to people's emotions and fears about video games. Logic and research be damned we tend to follow emotion more then reason.
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