J.D. Power and Associates 2005 Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS)

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
JD P&A are completely full of sh!t.

I love their "VDS" as if you can tell how dependable a vehicle is going to be after 1 year. And their initial quality is even worse, who the fvck really cares about initial quality? Every new car I've ever driven (and I drove A LOT of them when I worked valet) has good quality out of the factory. Its only after years of abuse that the dependability or lack there of, starts to seep through.

As I've said in other threads "who cares about the initial quality study and other JD power studies?"

The manufacturers themselves use them as their prime metric. So, the manufacturers care a whole lot.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Man, my parents malibu was the biggest POS they ever owned. Are they talking about the new one?

What was so bad about it? Poor interior ergonomics do not make for an unreliable car. A buzzy engine dooes not make for an unreliable car. Poor visability does not make for an unreliable car.

Well, the fact that the engine was actually starting to fall out of it sort of made it an unreliable car. Transmission abruptly dying made it pretty bad. Bad wiper design (and worse recall redesign). I don't think they even put 60k miles on it before they got rid of it...my parents own their own business and don't really drive their main car much, usually the body rusts out before any engine problems turn up. Don't get me wrong, I loved my old cavalier wagon. But that malibu was a pile of sh|t plain and simple.

My mom has a new Impala, and something in the steering has already gone out on it as well. The bearings are all jacked up so the steering wheel shakes while driving on the highway. This is after 2 years. I won't even go into all of the electrical problems she has had, among other BS.

And then there is my brothers 2 year old F-250 turbo diesel. That thing is the absolute epitome of unreliability.

My friend has a 2 year old Sentra that stopped in the middle of the road and wouldn't start back up. He ended up spending 2k on it and the friggin thing still occasionally stalls.

If it was 2 years old, wouldn't it still be under warranty?

 

[spacejamz]

If it was 2 years old, wouldn't it still be under warranty?

warranty doesn't cover time missed from work when you have to drop it off and pick it up and depending on the dealership, you may not get a rental to drive while it is in the shop....

This JD Powers article is from June 2005...

FWIW, How about this article from today where Consumer Report's Top Picks are ALL Japanese Cars...

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Man, my parents malibu was the biggest POS they ever owned. Are they talking about the new one?

What was so bad about it? Poor interior ergonomics do not make for an unreliable car. A buzzy engine dooes not make for an unreliable car. Poor visability does not make for an unreliable car.

Well, the fact that the engine was actually starting to fall out of it sort of made it an unreliable car. Transmission abruptly dying made it pretty bad. Bad wiper design (and worse recall redesign). I don't think they even put 60k miles on it before they got rid of it...my parents own their own business and don't really drive their main car much, usually the body rusts out before any engine problems turn up. Don't get me wrong, I loved my old cavalier wagon. But that malibu was a pile of sh|t plain and simple.

My mom has a new Impala, and something in the steering has already gone out on it as well. The bearings are all jacked up so the steering wheel shakes while driving on the highway. This is after 2 years. I won't even go into all of the electrical problems she has had, among other BS.

And then there is my brothers 2 year old F-250 turbo diesel. That thing is the absolute epitome of unreliability.

Actually it was the power steering not the transmission that failed now that I think about it.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Man, my parents malibu was the biggest POS they ever owned. Are they talking about the new one?

What was so bad about it? Poor interior ergonomics do not make for an unreliable car. A buzzy engine dooes not make for an unreliable car. Poor visability does not make for an unreliable car.

Well, the fact that the engine was actually starting to fall out of it sort of made it an unreliable car. Transmission abruptly dying made it pretty bad. Bad wiper design (and worse recall redesign). I don't think they even put 60k miles on it before they got rid of it...my parents own their own business and don't really drive their main car much, usually the body rusts out before any engine problems turn up. Don't get me wrong, I loved my old cavalier wagon. But that malibu was a pile of sh|t plain and simple.

My mom has a new Impala, and something in the steering has already gone out on it as well. The bearings are all jacked up so the steering wheel shakes while driving on the highway. This is after 2 years. I won't even go into all of the electrical problems she has had, among other BS.

And then there is my brothers 2 year old F-250 turbo diesel. That thing is the absolute epitome of unreliability.

My friend has a 2 year old Sentra that stopped in the middle of the road and wouldn't start back up. He ended up spending 2k on it and the friggin thing still occasionally stalls.
I also have an old 240sx that has 230k miles on it. But then I've replaced half of the stuff under the hood so I wouldn't consider that reliable.

I wouldn't consider Nissan reliable anymore either, I've read a lot of bad things about there new vehicles. I'm not going to say every japanese car company is > every american company or anything. Some GM products are gaining reliability, mainly those associated with Toyota (like the Vibe). Mazda has also come down hill, I have yet to hear from someone who owns a new Mazda that hasn't had problems. I know 2 people here at work who own the 6, and 2 who own the 3. All of them have had numerous problems, although I know most of the 6's issues are with its auto tranny. Which also contributes to why Ford makes so much crap, they use Mazda trannies in some of there cars and vice versa.

Toyota and Honda however, are simply superior to MOST everything GM and Ford churn out. And I do believe their reliability has gone up a lot lately, GM especially with some of there stuff. I don't hate american manufacturers, I just don't believe this crap JDP&A is putting out, I don't believe even a little of it.

American manu's are still A LOT more reliable then European manu's, such as BMW and others. And usually, at least in the past, JDP&A has the same stats on Europe's manu's.

 

[Britboy]

I wouldnt put much stock in their results. The Jeep Liberty is a piece of sh1t. Ford Windstar!??! Engine goes out at 70K miles, I'm convinced Ford renamed it the Freestar because it has such a bad rep for piss poor quality.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Man, my parents malibu was the biggest POS they ever owned. Are they talking about the new one?

What was so bad about it? Poor interior ergonomics do not make for an unreliable car. A buzzy engine dooes not make for an unreliable car. Poor visability does not make for an unreliable car.

Well, the fact that the engine was actually starting to fall out of it sort of made it an unreliable car. Transmission abruptly dying made it pretty bad. Bad wiper design (and worse recall redesign). I don't think they even put 60k miles on it before they got rid of it...my parents own their own business and don't really drive their main car much, usually the body rusts out before any engine problems turn up. Don't get me wrong, I loved my old cavalier wagon. But that malibu was a pile of sh|t plain and simple.

My mom has a new Impala, and something in the steering has already gone out on it as well. The bearings are all jacked up so the steering wheel shakes while driving on the highway. This is after 2 years. I won't even go into all of the electrical problems she has had, among other BS.

And then there is my brothers 2 year old F-250 turbo diesel. That thing is the absolute epitome of unreliability.

Actually it was the power steering not the transmission that failed now that I think about it.

So how are we supposed to rely on your experience when you confuse a $150 Power Steering Pump with a $2,000 transmission?

 

[Trikat]

Wa... is this study updated and accurate...? ...

 

[iversonyin]

Domestic Defenders v Japanese fanboys

This type of discussion will go nowhere.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Domestic Defenders v Japanese fanboys

This type of discussion will go nowhere.

True. But at least the japanese fanbois make asses of themselves in the process by dismissing facts and relying on "I heard japanese rules!" and "my 2nd cousin's brothers 4th father in law had an american car and it broke!"

 

[OS]

btw, the chevy prizm is a rebadged corolla

 

[JulesMaximus]

I know a guy who bought a 2005 GMC 1500 crew cab truck last year and the dealership offered to fill his truck with gas for him if he gave them the new car survery form he got in the mail.

I really question these studies and the conclusions drawn on a vehicle that is barely 1 year old.

 

[brtspears2]

I consider JDPower trash. 3 years ago, they gave the Chrysler Cirrus the best entry midsized car. But overall 3 years ago, the chart looked a lot more realistic.

http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/images/2002141bfull.gif

I drive a Malibu and I clearly know it is a piece of trash, but somehow it survives the 20 hours of commute a week I do on it.

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

If it was 2 years old, wouldn't it still be under warranty?

warranty doesn't cover time missed from work when you have to drop it off and pick it up and depending on the dealership, you may not get a rental to drive while it is in the shop....

This JD Powers article is from June 2005...

FWIW, How about this article from today where Consumer Report's Top Picks are ALL Japanese Cars...

oh WOW...clean sweep. the CBS article says that's the first time ever

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: OS
btw, the chevy prizm is a rebadged corolla

Exactly

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Domestic Defenders v Japanese fanboys

This type of discussion will go nowhere.

True. But at least the japanese fanbois make asses of themselves in the process by dismissing facts and relying on "I heard japanese rules!" and "my 2nd cousin's brothers 4th father in law had an american car and it broke!"

Everyone I know who owns an american car has more problems, but as I said earlier - I also know a lot of people driving Mazda's that have problems.

I'm only a Honda fan boy, and to a lesser extent Toyota - even though Toyota hasn't made a single vehicle I was even remotely interested in since the Supra and the early 90's Celica's. I'm definetely not just a Japanese fan boy, I mean I love the Evo and everything but Mitsubishi makes some of the worst reliable vehicles on the planet. Followed closely by Ford and BMW

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Domestic Defenders v Japanese fanboys

This type of discussion will go nowhere.

True. But at least the japanese fanbois make asses of themselves in the process by dismissing facts and relying on "I heard japanese rules!" and "my 2nd cousin's brothers 4th father in law had an american car and it broke!"

It's all good, American fanboys do the same thing. Any time a study says Japanese cars are more reliable, American fanboys call it biased.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Domestic Defenders v Japanese fanboys

This type of discussion will go nowhere.

True. But at least the japanese fanbois make asses of themselves in the process by dismissing facts and relying on "I heard japanese rules!" and "my 2nd cousin's brothers 4th father in law had an american car and it broke!"

It's all good, American fanboys do the same thing. Any time a study says Japanese cars are more reliable, American fanboys call it biased.

ive never called a study biased, unless its SOOO obvious, but this study is about 5 months old...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: mugs
It's all good, American fanboys do the same thing. Any time a study says Japanese cars are more reliable, American fanboys call it biased.

I drive an acura , but the blatant dismissal of facts is what irks me. But I do trust JD Powers as do all the manufacturers as the gold standard by which vehicle quality and dependability are measured.

I'm not trying to be a fanboy, just objective.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: mugs
It's all good, American fanboys do the same thing. Any time a study says Japanese cars are more reliable, American fanboys call it biased.

I drive an acura , but the blatant dismissal of facts is what irks me. But I do trust JD Powers as do all the manufacturers as the gold standard by which vehicle quality and dependability are measured.

I'm not trying to be a fanboy, just objective.

We have a Honda and an Acura. I'd love to see American cars consistently getting high ratings for reliability, especially GM. Not only because GM's demise would be terrible for this country, but also because my brother works for a GM dealership and can get me really good deals on their cars.