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IYO: Why are mass shootings spiking in the US?

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Look at the lessons our kids are being taught.

  • There can't be a winner, because it will hurt the losers feelings, so everyone gets a "participation" award.
  • A teacher can't give a kid a zero for work they didn't even attempt, the minimum allowable grade is a 50.
  • Teachers can't use red pens to grade papers, marking something they got wrong in red it stigmatizes the kids.
  • Their value is a person is based only on how many likes they get on social media.
  • Helicopter moms.
  • Parents screaming that wearing a mask traumatizes kids. When I was in school, we were taught what to do when (not if, but when) the Russians nuked us back to the Stone Age. We weren't traumatized, because we grew up when there was first, second, third, and last place. Tests were graded with red pencils, and zeros were given if you didn't turn in the work, and if mom got involved... some heavy shit had gone down, or stitches or plaster casts were involved.
 
I think a lot of our societal issues revolve around failure. We don't teach and embrace successful failure. We just focus on failure.

We also grind people into dust. As if they were born into thunder dome and if you aren't on top, you either are or at least feel dead.

It is no surprise that those we have damaged feel like they can go out in a blaze of glory while they still draw breath.

The trick to mass shooters is that we already killed them before they pulled the trigger. We need to stop doing that to people. America lacks humanity.
 
Simply answer to the ops question... watch FEAR THY NEIGHBOR on TV. Every episode starts out with two neighbors mutual admiration for each other, then the dog pisses on the neighbors rosebush. And we all know what you must do when the neighbors dog pisses on your rosebush, you grab your gun. People are gun crazy and unable to cope with minor everyday challenges without involving a gun. People never talk, they only shoot to kill. So if we can't have gun control and required mental help classes for every gun owner, then at least we should ban those evil rosebushes.
 
Simply answer to the ops question... watch FEAR THY NEIGHBOR on TV. Every episode starts out with two neighbors mutual admiration for each other, then the dog pisses on the neighbors rosebush. And we all know what you must do when the neighbors dog pisses on your rosebush, you grab your gun. People are gun crazy and unable to cope with minor everyday challenges without involving a gun. People never talk, they only shoot to kill. So if we can't have gun control and required mental help classes for every gun owner, then at least we should ban those evil rosebushes.
Americans lack the maturity necessary for gun ownership. It's a lot easier to take the guns out of their hands than to bestow maturity on them. Disarm everybody!
 
AFAIK, dogs piss on rosebushes as a way of saying in dogspeak Fido was here. It's not a sign of disrespect. However, dogs are notoriously bad judges of character and situational politics. It's also been noted that they reflect their owners. Dogs that display bad behavior betray the shortcomings of their owners. FYI, I have no pets whatsoever... plants yes, animals no.
 
I can't speak to why we are having a spike right now, it could be multiple issues coming together, but it could also just be a statistical anomaly that will flatten out with time.
But one thing I can say for certain is that the number of mass shootings will continue to increase.
More guns + More population = More shootings.
Basically nothing can change the truth of that equation. If we keep adding guns and keep adding people, we will keep adding shootings.
 
This is an excellent post. Thank you for taking the time to address the nuance.

I think a lot of our societal issues revolve around failure. We don't teach and embrace successful failure. We just focus on failure. It's totally in character for us to polarize an issue. On one end of the spectrum, failure is not an option. If you fail, then you failed yourself, your family, your teammates, your boss. And so on. That grinds on you. You fear for your job. You can't sleep at night. You fixate on the failure.

On the other end you have people that don't even acknowledge failure. If you want a manufactured image - participation trophies. No one loses. Everyone wins. You did your best. And then when people raised in this environment meet one that that doesn't accept failure you have similar problems. Fear, rejection, inability to cope.

We aren't raising and embracing balanced minds. We've tribalized emotion. Once our beliefs are challenged at that very raw emotional core, our stability and how we respond is usually not pretty. Now add in firearms as an "easy" solution to an unstable mind and there's not many dots between then and where we are now.

Failure isn't a bad thing. It's just a thing. And it's how we learn. We don't have innate instinct in us like animals. We aren't born perfect and we only really learn when we fail trying. We need to embrace that failure isn't bad, encourage the growth after it, and provide support when people do. But we also can't ignore it either. If you are never told no, or never fail, then you've not ever really learned.

I think that the intersection with society and mental well-being is spot on. I try to avoid using mental illness as a description of mass shooters because this is a highly unusual event, and although mass shooters are clearly not mentally well, there is no clear specific mental health problem/diagnosis that is attached to such an action. While many mass shooters have been diagnosed or possibly could be diagnosed retrospectively with certain mental illnesses, those illnesses themselves would ordinarily not be attached with risk of such an action. There is a problem with stigmatizing people with mental illness inherent in the wording, and that's not going to make anyone better. I think it also invites a fantasy that all we need to do is beef up our mental health system and this problem will go away. That is far from accurate. It suggests that people who would potentially commit these acts would definitely get care and stay in care, and that their mental health treatment would be successful in prevention even if that were true. I think it's likely explicitly untrue anyway, although mental health treatment presents an opportunity for meaningful social engagement for many people. Still, that is a very gaping weakness especially in the US in our systemic ability to improve someone's mental health. It is arguable that the evidence base suggests that social interventions are more important for things like schizophrenia for example than medication, even in the absence of medication altogether.

Anyway, as to society I would caution against our tendency to identify what's bad and try to eliminate it. That's exactly how we've ended up adopting a lot of the things which we are being critical of as societal adoptions. Instead, we should turn to evidence for what actually leads to individual success on a physical, emotional, and financial level. For this, resilience and social connectivity seem to be most important.

Here I would argue that our attempts to isolate individuals from failure are a response to noticing the harms of failure. However, the more important thing would be to understand how to build resilience to the experience of failure. And here, mere exposure to repeated failures is not effective. Neither would I argue that an unrealistic isolation from failure is productive, but I think it is less important than we are inclined to believe. I'm a little torn in saying "I think" vs. "this is the way something is" with a lot of this. Largely, I'd say my expressed opinions are informed from a broad awareness of academic study, but I wouldn't be able to nor intend to cite anything specifically, and for the most part my formulation involves translating more basic findings to bigger conceptual framework that really couldn't be studied directly.

Disclaimer aside, in regards to resiliency and social connections, the most important thing on an individual level is building a positive sense of self. Essentially, a securely established self is more inclined to recognize failure as an opportunity to learn how to succeed more in the future, whereas a less secure self is more oriented to protecting their self-esteem from said failure, in which case repeated failures would simply be more destabilizing. From a societal level, I see this as a harm with the ways we attempt to make things more equitable by toning down our celebration of success and recognition that, at least in a particular instance, one individual is or does better than another. Often highly capable people have significant deficits in their self-esteem and struggle with the conflict of whether they are somehow bad for being more capable or privileged.

On a more social level, I also think we are far to rigidly approaching many moral questions. Having any degree of racism, for example, is wholly unacceptable for an individual to be seen as possessing value in society. This is despite the absolute impossibility for this to be true. Racial inequity is systemically built in, and all people growing up here are exposed to seeing those disparities. In fact, in looking at unconscious racial bias, it is often people who have strong values of racial equality but very little direct experience with diversity and systems where this applies. Instead, people are more likely to unconsciously pull from stereotypes they are exposed to largely via media. This is natural, and we see it all the time with people who come up with all kinds of distorted views of the world simply through their limited exposure from social media, clickbait headlines, etc. It is also natural that people tend to believe that their understanding of something is far more accurate and extensive than it really is, and it is largely their own direct experience where their preconceptions prove inaccurate which allows them to appreciate more to the picture. Direct challenge rarely works, but here again we run into overly moralistic and harsh judgments when providing feedback as well as poor resiliency limiting openness to external feedback. Racial stereotypes and value-judgments are ubiquitous and inevitable in everyone, but this societal approach to being against racism, a value which I absolutely agree with, severely limits our ability to not only share and address our individual failings to meet the ideals we believe in but more importantly to even be able to become aware of those failings in the first place. Here, the problem is judgment. While those failings are bad, a person themselves is not bad for possessing them. But if we continue to bifurcate people into good or bad based on whether or not they can hide their racism, it's going to be very hard to make progress, and we become all the more fragile individually when society itself embraces moral ideals. Interestingly, this rigid moralistic viewpoint when it becomes distorted enough to make people at least unconsciously aware of their failings actually serves to undermine their self-esteem for the goodness that they have in making very real societal progress against racism across time. People instead see it as meeting an obligation rather than genuinely being proud of their goodness and secure that they are basically good no matter what so exposure to awareness of where their normal racism crops up makes is a good thing because it presents the opportunity to be better. Even where people can appreciate this, often people are inhibited in trying because it risks exposing their "badness" to others.

I use the example of racism here because it's such an important societal issue and the ideal of racism = bad is nearly universally held, even in people who are relegated to the category of "racist" by society. Several other things, such as LGBTQ equality have a lot more variability in value in our society, however it is another thing which is overly determined so that we categorize people into categories of good or bad depending on our underlying values rather than recognizing that there is a spectrum of beliefs and biases in all of us. This, combined with poor resiliency, pushes us more and more into tribalism with us motivated to protect ourselves from our own inherent moral "badness" by attacking the other.

This is very quickly becoming a treatise. I think I'll stop here and try to address any questions/comments if it's seen as valuable to the community here.
 
Yep. Humans are basically emotional apes.

There are over 400,000,000 guns in the US (estimated, including unregistered ones) so the amazing part to me is that we don't have a lot more shootings considering how many people are sociopathic rage monsters, and/or fearful news gobblers that think antifa and meth addicts are behind every bush waiting to spring.

It is what it is--a political death wish to try to do anything about it, because we are addicted to our toys. We'll come to accept them (if we haven't already) as we do lightning deaths, or deaths due to deer accidents, or hospital mistakes (which kill far, far more people). We'll shrug and say "well, that's fate for you."
 
stress/anger/despair
then toss in access to guns
This innit. Its one thing to lose it because you're fucking cross and the worlds frustrating and its hot and someone's deliberately winding you up, and another when you're fucking cross and the worlds frustrating and its hot and someone's deliberately winding you up and you have a gun strapped to your hip.
 
the amazing part to me is that we don't have a lot more shootings considering how many people are sociopathic rage monsters, and/or fearful news gobblers that think antifa and meth addicts are behind every bush waiting to spring.

Maybe these types of people aren't so prevalent as we assume? I know a lot of hard right gun owners who hate BLM and who condone the shit out of cop violence but not one of them drives around looking for minorities, gays, or druggies to murder.

I'm more worried about drug gangs fighting over money/territory than I am about conservative rage monsters. We could easily clean up most of this by ending the war on drugs and changing our strategy from a criminal/punishment strategy to a medical/treatment strategy. It doesn't seem that very many people are on board with this as a strategy to reduce gun violence...it's probably a hard sell politically.
 
Maybe these types of people aren't so prevalent as we assume? I know a lot of hard right gun owners who hate BLM and who condone the shit out of cop violence but not one of them drives around looking for minorities, gays, or druggies to murder.

I'm more worried about drug gangs fighting over money/territory than I am about conservative rage monsters. We could easily clean up most of this by ending the war on drugs and changing our strategy from a criminal/punishment strategy to a medical/treatment strategy. It doesn't seem that very many people are on board with this as a strategy to reduce gun violence...it's probably a hard sell politically.

Not just war on drugs, but maybe remove some of the societal barriers that blacks see in their everyday life. Simple things we take for granted, getting a job, being able to get approved for a loan, not having municipalities intentionally obstruct access to mass transit, ect. Look at why blacks turn to gangs. Which is a completely different issue than "mass shootings".

You almost need separate these out as they have very different cause/effect. Inner city gang violence is very different than "lone wolf white male guns down shopping mall".
 
AFAIK, dogs piss on rosebushes as a way of saying in dogspeak Fido was here. It's not a sign of disrespect. However, dogs are notoriously bad judges of character and situational politics. It's also been noted that they reflect their owners. Dogs that display bad behavior betray the shortcomings of their owners. FYI, I have no pets whatsoever... plants yes, animals no.
I've found my dogs to be very good judges of character. If they don't like someone, it typically works out that I don't either.
Dogs just don't practice political correctness.

FYI, I have had dogs all my life.
 
I can't speak to why we are having a spike right now, it could be multiple issues coming together, but it could also just be a statistical anomaly that will flatten out with time.
But one thing I can say for certain is that the number of mass shootings will continue to increase.
More guns + More population = More shootings.
Basically nothing can change the truth of that equation. If we keep adding guns and keep adding people, we will keep adding shootings.
Society is paying the price today for the past 30 odd years of bad or absent parenting.

When I got in trouble in school for bad behavior, there was trouble waiting for me at home.
Today, when a kid gets in trouble in school for bad behavior, momma and daddy come to the defense of the little monster they have unleashed on society.
 
Yep. Humans are basically emotional apes.

There are over 400,000,000 guns in the US (estimated, including unregistered ones) so the amazing part to me is that we don't have a lot more shootings considering how many people are sociopathic rage monsters, and/or fearful news gobblers that think antifa and meth addicts are behind every bush waiting to spring.

It is what it is--a political death wish to try to do anything about it, because we are addicted to our toys. We'll come to accept them (if we haven't already) as we do lightning deaths, or deaths due to deer accidents, or hospital mistakes (which kill far, far more people). We'll shrug and say "well, that's fate for you."
You seem to have a misunderstanding about "registered" guns. Most guns are unregistered because there is no requirement that they be registered.

Only DC, and Hawaii, requires that all guns be registered. NY and MI require handgun registration, and 4 others (CA, MD, NJ, and MA) require assault weapon registration. 7 states actually have laws that forbid gun registration, and the rest of the states don't have laws regarding registration.

What you see on TV where they find a gun and immediately check the "registration" database is fiction.

 
Society is paying the price today for the past 30 odd years of bad or absent parenting.

When I got in trouble in school for bad behavior, there was trouble waiting for me at home.
Today, when a kid gets in trouble in school for bad behavior, momma and daddy come to the defense of the little monster they have unleashed on society.
There are at least one or 2 times when I wish my parents knew what kind of punishment I was given, and for the ridiculous reasons, but alas, I had the kind of parents you wish all parents should be like. And I knew that it would just be a lost cause.
 

Here we see the issue chalked up basically to “how humans react to stress physiologically, factual I think on a biological level, in its way, but with no emphasis as to how stress originates on a psychological level.

The issue I see, of course, is self hate. A simple case would be masks, wearing and not wearing them.

People who refuse to wear them are assholes who disrespect others but maintain their ‘right to be an asshole is violated by others whe express their contempt, and those who are confrontational to them over non-compliance regarding not wearing one, also feel their right to life threatened.

None of this would be possible if there were not beneath the surface an already sever but unconscious sense of self-worthlessness.

One can’t be triggered by something without the presence of a gun. That gun is negative emotional experiences in the past.
 
Society is paying the price today for the past 30 odd years of bad or absent parenting.

When I got in trouble in school for bad behavior, there was trouble waiting for me at home.
Today, when a kid gets in trouble in school for bad behavior, momma and daddy come to the defense of the little monster they have unleashed on society.
I am almost certain that excuse has been used by every generation about every other generation since literally the invention of the concept of parents.
I doubt it is any more true this generation then it was all those others. We have had entire generations of kids that grew up with absent parents before, because they died in wars.
 
I am almost certain that excuse has been used by every generation about every other generation since literally the invention of the concept of parents.
I doubt it is any more true this generation then it was all those others. We have had entire generations of kids that grew up with absent parents before, because they died in wars.
Yes, there are many kids that lost a parent due to war... tragic, but a very small percentage of kids growing up.

By absent parents, I am referring to the breeders that don't give a fuck what their kids are into or doing as long as they don't have to be inconvenienced by having to deal with them. The ones that let their brats run wild in the grocery store or Wal-Wart.
 
I for one am curious whether there’s any correlation at all between spikes in legal gun sales and spikes in mass shootings. But generally I’d blame post-pandemic anxiety/mental anguish and rising income inequality.
 
Yes, there are many kids that lost a parent due to war... tragic, but a very small percentage of kids growing up.

By absent parents, I am referring to the breeders that don't give a fuck what their kids are into or doing as long as they don't have to be inconvenienced by having to deal with them. The ones that let their brats run wild in the grocery store or Wal-Wart.

It's more than that. It's also households with parents that both work and put more effort into their job than their kids. Those kids aren't running wild through Walmart. They are just sitting on a tablet or video game console learning nothing. Or tossed into some random activity as an expensive daycare. There's emotional absence of parenting, and then there's physical absence. That rears a very different set of issues later.
 
I for one am curious whether there’s any correlation at all between spikes in legal gun sales and spikes in mass shootings. But generally I’d blame post-pandemic anxiety/mental anguish and rising income inequality.
Please excuse the pun, but people get triggered. The guy in San Jose who killed 9 coworkers in 5 minutes or so a month ago and then shot himself in the head (2 times!), seemed to have triggered a couple of sort of copy cat killings in workplaces in the following 2 weeks or so, maybe more, there are so many mass killings going on now, it seems to be a daily occurrence in the home of the brave, land of the free. 🙄
 
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