ivy bridge engineering sample igpu benchmarks

[Khato]

Encouraging results - always nice to see expectations matched or exceeded. Though as was already stated the picture might improve further with the IVB release drivers. At the very least it looks to catch Intel's graphics up to Llano levels... now we just need to see what kind of improvement Trinity actually brings.

The following slide is from A8-3850 review, Llano's iGPU is much faster in Street Fighter II than IVs at 1280x720. This is with 1600MHz memory.

Note that the benchmark charts linked aren't exactly applicable for comparison given that Street Fighter II is not the exact same as the Street Fighter IV used in the expreview numbers. Looking around for Street Fighter IV benchmarks shows that Llano is likely marginally faster than these IVB numbers.

 

[AtenRa]

Note that the benchmark charts linked aren't exactly applicable for comparison given that Street Fighter II is not the exact same as the Street Fighter IV used in the expreview numbers. Looking around for Street Fighter IV benchmarks shows that Llano is likely marginally faster than these IVB numbers.

Ohhh you are right, didn't see that.

Edit: Ehm, i have read the review again and it says Street Fighter IV but the slide says II. I believe it is the IV and he made a typo in the slide. Ill contact him and ask him which version he used and ill come back when he'll respond.

 

[AtenRa]

OK they have confirmed it is the Street Fighter IV.

 

[Khato]

OK they have confirmed it is the Street Fighter IV.

Then I'd presume it's not on comparable settings. That review has 80 fps at 1280x720 and no comparison to HD3000. This review - http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4177/amd_a8_3850_llano_apu_video_performance_examined/index8.html - has an HD3000 included as well that scores 53 fps at 1280x800 while the A8 3850 with 1333MHz DDR3 gets 83fps. The higher HD3000 score implies that it's a less stressful test than the IVB one where HD3000 only hit 41 fps. Scaling the A8 3850 number down similarly would put it at 64 fps. (Yes, the A8 3850 would score higher with the 1600 MHz memory of the review you linked, but what does that matter when most Llano systems sold are with 1333 MHz? I mean, the base configuration of HP's cheapest Llano desktop only has a single stick of memory in it.)

 

[grkM3]

so early benchmarks with beta drivers are up to par with an a8 and people are not impressed?

 

[Kristijonas]

Not up to par to my signature PCs iGPU I'm sure. GPU overclocked by 33%, GPU taking advantage of fast RAM.

 

[grkM3]

Not up to par to my signature PCs iGPU I'm sure. GPU overclocked by 33%, GPU taking advantage of fast RAM.

thats cool,my 100 dollar card will blow that away,why are people so focused on igpu? we know its okay for light gaming but who cares when 99% of the people buying an ivy are not for the igpu.

last I looked a BD dosnt even have a gpu in it.

you people are not looking at what intel has done with power draw and performance.They have incresed it by 40% in some cases and lowered power draw.

To even compare your cpu to an i7 3770k is not even near the same level,its like comparing a 286 to a pentium 3

 

[Kristijonas]

I agree.

 

[AtenRa]

Then I'd presume it's not on comparable settings. That review has 80 fps at 1280x720 and no comparison to HD3000. This review - http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4177/amd_a8_3850_llano_apu_video_performance_examined/index8.html - has an HD3000 included as well that scores 53 fps at 1280x800 while the A8 3850 with 1333MHz DDR3 gets 83fps. The higher HD3000 score implies that it's a less stressful test than the IVB one where HD3000 only hit 41 fps. Scaling the A8 3850 number down similarly would put it at 64 fps. (Yes, the A8 3850 would score higher with the 1600 MHz memory of the review you linked, but what does that matter when most Llano systems sold are with 1333 MHz? I mean, the base configuration of HP's cheapest Llano desktop only has a single stick of memory in it.)

Well, different drivers can change the outcome but I will agree that we have to wait for a final product review.

1600MHz SODIMM memory is cheap this days.

thats cool,my 100 dollar card will blow that away,why are people so focused on igpu? we know its okay for light gaming but who cares when 99% of the people buying an ivy are not for the igpu.

last I looked a BD dosnt even have a gpu in it.

you people are not looking at what intel has done with power draw and performance.They have incresed it by 40% in some cases and lowered power draw.

To even compare your cpu to an i7 3770k is not even near the same level,its like comparing a 286 to a pentium 3

Actually, the majority of IV buyers will use the iGPU, the minority like us will use a discrete GPU.

 

[Abwx]

1600MHz SODIMM memory is cheap this days.

A fast IGP will mandate high memory bandwith while a slow
one will reach its maximum perfs with much less bandwith ,
so testing the AMD APU with slow RAM is skewing the results.

Said otherwise , with a slow enough RAM , even a 7970 could
be made to perform close to Intel s IGP levels , and then you could
conclude how great progress where made with SB graphics...

 

[Silverforce11]

Actually, the majority of IV buyers will use the iGPU, the minority like us will use a discrete GPU.

This.

iGPU is the future for mainstream setups which the vast majority of PC users fall into. HTPCs with decent gaming performance all in one.

IV isn't competing with Llano, it will have to compete with Trinity for most of its life-cycle.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I'm feeling kinda mixed. On one hand it's a great boost over HD3000 yet on the other hand it's still much slower than a $200 8800GT released ~4.5 years ago. GT240 DDR3 is an utterly shitty card and it still wins IB by 30%.

 

[exar333]

I'm feeling kinda mixed. On one hand it's a great boost over HD3000 yet on the other hand it's still much slower than a $200 8800GT released ~4.5 years ago. GT240 DDR3 is an utterly shitty card and it still wins IB by 30%.

That 8800GT is still better than most mainstream discrete GPUs in mobiles. On-die GPUs still have a long way to come to match a good discrete, but they are improving.

Bandwidth will continue to be an issue especially.

 

[grkM3]

100% wrong

I went laptop shopping for my brother a few months ago and he needed a laptop to go off to school.

as we were waiting everyine was talking about specs and I over heard at least 4 people say that want at least 1-2gb video card and another kid was complaining to get the 100 dollar more expensive laptop for the better gpu card.

I dont know a single person that would want a gpu that is worse than what we had 5 years ago in a pc.

Do you think the guy paying 3500 for a maxed out mac book pro wants an Igpu?

and yes the majority of people that want an ivy dont care about the gpu.That is the reason why intel made an unlockled version,there is DEMAND for it.If it was like you say they would all be locked up and we would get what we get.

On die gpus suck and they can barely play n64 emulators,they SUCK!!! and ivy is going up against trinity? really?I thought ivy would go up against pildriver(enless trinity is the igpu in pilldriver)as I really dont follow igpus at all since they suck and cant play anything that looks better than a psp.

How exaclty can you buy and use a cpu with an intergrated cpu that can be beat to hell buy a sub 100 dollar real gpu?

I have my 8800gt for sale for 125 if you want a serious upgrade to your A8gpu...heck I feel so bad for you that Id even sell it for 100 shipped if you want it.

 

[Idontcare]

100% wrong

Honestly what possible debate-skill value does making this statement secure for you?

And seriously? You think your anecdotal personal evidence trumps known and established market segments for which integrated GPU's are targeted?

Business? Office? Non-gamers home use?

How many laptops or desktops with discreet GPU's do you think a company like Kaiser Permanente is going to buy in 2012 for its 182,000 employees?

 

[taltamir]

Still won't come close to llano for most games.

you play modern 3d games on an IGP?

 

[DominionSeraph]

How many laptops or desktops with discreet GPU's do you think a company like Kaiser Permanente is going to buy in 2012 for its 182,000 employees?

Probably all of them. I can't see Kaiser Permanente buying loud and flashy GPU's.

Anyway, this is pointless from any actual gamer perspective. I would not suggest either a Llano or Ivy Bridge based on its IGP -- either is destroyed by a $40 GTS 250.

 

[taltamir]

How many laptops or desktops with discreet GPU's do you think a company like Kaiser Permanente is going to buy in 2012 for its 182,000 employees?

Probably all of them. I can't see Kaiser Permanente buying loud and flashy GPU's.

You contradict yourself, I think you meant "none of them" in the first part of your post.

 

[DominionSeraph]

You contradict yourself, I think you meant "none of them" in the first part of your post.

Nope.
Damn, that's two people.

dis·creet/disˈkrēt/
Adjective:
1. Careful and circumspect in one's speech or actions, esp. to avoid causing offense or to gain an advantage.
2. Intentionally unobtrusive.

 

[taltamir]

Nope.
Damn, that's two people.

dis·creet/disˈkrēt/
Adjective:
1. Careful and circumspect in one's speech or actions, esp. to avoid causing offense or to gain an advantage.
2. Intentionally unobtrusive.

Ah, I see what you are doing. You are not discussing the ratio of IGP to discrete GPU. But pointing out indirectly that it should have said "Discrete GPU" not "Discreet GPU".

 

[BD231]

Why hasn't amd made a pci express memory add on for their iGPU's if bandwidth is an issue? I'd circumvent their MC altogether, especially when llano starts performing like a worthwhile gaming card (whenever that may be). I really don't like intel's track record with integrated video though, they drop driver support on their GPU's from one operating system to the next way to fast. Hopefully that's not the case with their iGPU's as well.

 

[Arzachel]

so early benchmarks with beta drivers are up to par with an a8 and people are not impressed?

Because, until we see some IQ comparison, we can safely assume, that IB can't even match Llano when cutting a ton of corners.

 

[frostedflakes]

Why hasn't amd made a pci express memory add on for their iGPU's if bandwidth is an issue? I'd circumvent their MC altogether, especially when llano starts performing like a worthwhile gaming card (whenever that may be). I really don't like intel's track record with integrated video though, they drop driver support on their GPU's from one operating system to the next way to fast. Hopefully that's not the case with their iGPU's as well.

That kind of defeats the whole purpose, APU is about higher integration and lower cost, not adding in extra discrete components to your system.

The interesting thing is if you look at Sandy Bridge iGPU performance I don't think it's affected much/any by memory speed, beyond 1333 it doesn't scale nearly as much as Llano. Probably helps a ton that the graphics can communicate with the CPU via the ring bus whereas with Llano communication between the CPU and GPU has to be done through much slower and higher latency main memory. It's like the old MCM Intel dual cores where the separate cores had to communicate via a slow FSB, just seems like an enormous bottleneck. Llano has the better GPU, but ironically Intel has done a better job of integrating the GPU with the CPU, whereas Llano is more of a GPU pasted onto the CPU and not really well integrated with the CPU yet. When they get around to implementing a crossbar switch or ring bus that connects the CPU and GPU it should help, maybe then you won't need 1866 or higher memory to get very good performance from the APUs.

 

[Rvenger]

1600mhz memory is the sweet spot for llano GPU performance. It gains you 15fps in FPS from 1333 rendering it playable in BF3. Noticed about a 5 fps increase in Arkham Asylum.

Now I wonder if putting faster memory in IVB will increase iGPU performance. :hmm:

 

[grkM3]

Honestly what possible debate-skill value does making this statement secure for you?

And seriously? You think your anecdotal personal evidence trumps known and established market segments for which integrated GPU's are targeted?

Business? Office? Non-gamers home use?

How many laptops or desktops with discreet GPU's do you think a company like Kaiser Permanente is going to buy in 2012 for its 182,000 employees?

You just proved my point.that company is not buyin ivy bridge for its gpu performance.its buying it for its cpu performance and power efficiency.