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I've never understood why some people have no motivation to be successful.

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To some people, that scenario isn't considered an opportunity, but an unnecessary risk.
Complacency is the enemy of change, but change isn't necessarily always a good thing.
 
Are you a disgruntled $8hr employee? He pays his guys $8 because he CAN. If they'll work for it, then he has no obligation to pay more.

On the other hand, there's a lot of responsibility involved in owning a business - that guy driving the nice car with $8hr employees has a lot of responsibility. From finding good employees (difficult to do), to dealing with all the crap (wrongfull termination lawsuits, workers comp, insurance etc...). If he's not stressing about something, then he's not doing things legit I don't care what anybody says.

There's usually a story. For example, the gyno that is delivering our baby makes a lot of money. She also pays $85K a year in malpractice insurance. So much so that she's considering stopping doing deliveries.

And how many of you would take the chance of starting a new business when so many fail in the first year? I mean, how many have the luxury of trying it. I don't. I have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

Sometimes people do what is easiest and safest.

And really, money isn't all that to me anyway. If I'm comfortable I'm happy. If I'm living from paycheck to paycheck with debtors calling then I would consider doing something different.



 
Originally posted by: CFster
If he's not stressing about something, then he's not doing things legit I don't care what anybody says.
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Well he stresses about someone discovering that he's been shipping coke in the hollowed out legs of armoires ...
 
Originally posted by: Qosis
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Qosis
Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
Originally posted by: Qosis
I think there is a difference. Becuase someone can genuinely love what they are doing as a researcher.

Can anyone really love selling furniture? Really?? While their boss makes 10 times more than they do and works a lot less?
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Yes. You're only looking at the situation from your viewpoint.
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I'm sorry, I can't say I agree with you. There's obviously no way to prove my viewpoint, but I can't imagine anyone being happy just selling furntiure for minimum wage when they can do essentially the samae thing at a higher level and have more free time, yet still make more money.
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Okay let's get weird.

Jim Bob over here has a passionate heart for helping people. He's got an unhealthy obsession with comfortable furnature. He doesn't have any need to live in a Penthouse downtown New York with an overlook of Central Park West, though.

Giving him more money isn't going to make him happy. Giving him more free time isn't going to make him happy. Taking him away from the two things that he has a real passion about isn't going to make him happy.

It's this idea that you have that money is the once-all-end-all of success and happiness that you must break in order to be able to understand the concept. Until you do, you'll simply never get it.
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Let's keep all the variables constant. Let's say Jim Bob could make $100 and do everything the exact same way he si doing it now, would he? The way I interpret your argument is that more money would actually make him unhappy, or, at least for you taht seems to be the case!
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Wow this is so painfully obvious. Nik gave a perfect example of a person who is satisfied with what they're doing in life, left money out of the picture entirely, and you have to bring it back in.

I almost feel bad for you in a way Qosis. 🙁

I don't like Nik at all, but he's completely right... you are downright obsessed with money. Dear God I hope you can find some peace in your life eventually...
 
I wondered the same thing. i Know couple people in college who think its still cool to skip and not do any work. Idiots.
 
Quosis, I know it's pretty much impossible for you to change, because of the way that you were raised, but Nik is right.

I grew up just like you. Rich parents, I felt entitled. I went to the college my dad wanted me too, he got me a job, a house, etc. So now I'm a single guy with no debt, making six figures a year. I can afford to do pretty much whatever I want. But it won't make you happy. In fact, sometimes it makes you downright sad.
 
I think all people really need to be happy is a DECENT lifestyle at the least, family, friends, and a SO. I can't imagine ever being happy without a SO my whole life.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Quosis, I know it's pretty much impossible for you to change, because of the way that you were raised, but Nik is right.

I grew up just like you. Rich parents, I felt entitled. I went to the college my dad wanted me too, he got me a job, a house, etc. So now I'm a single guy with no debt, making six figures a year. I can afford to do pretty much whatever I want. But it won't make you happy. In fact, sometimes it makes you downright sad.
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what did your dad think about the whole gay thing?
 
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Nebor
Quosis, I know it's pretty much impossible for you to change, because of the way that you were raised, but Nik is right.

I grew up just like you. Rich parents, I felt entitled. I went to the college my dad wanted me too, he got me a job, a house, etc. So now I'm a single guy with no debt, making six figures a year. I can afford to do pretty much whatever I want. But it won't make you happy. In fact, sometimes it makes you downright sad.
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what did your dad think about the whole gay thing?
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How the hell is that related?

 
I grew up in a family that has some wealth, but my father never bought me anything of great significance. I had to buy my own cars, make my own money, and buy my own clothes, when I was in high school. I did this by working after school. His father did the same with him. My dad made himself what he is, nobody gave it to him.

Because I could not see eye to eye with my parents, over a relationship I was involved in, I quit High School half way through my senior year, joined the service, and moved away. I was 18 at that time. By the age of 19, I was married and 1 year later our son was born.
My lack of formal education never stopped me from making a good living for my family. Of course, when young, I went through a period of time, where I did not know my talents, or what I wanted to do. I guess I just found that something and a desire for a better lifestyle for my family and me. I'm a better person for having never been "spoon fed". I have no regrets. 🙂

 
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: yobarman
Originally posted by: Nik
Maybe they're happy with their life? Maybe they hold a higher value on things other than the size of their wallet? Maybe they measure success differently than you do. Maybe they don't have to be the world's richest man in order to consider themselves successful. Maybe they're happy with a simple life? Maybe they value their $8 per hour more because they work harder for it.

Is there a certain amount of money per year that, as soon as you reach, you're allowed to consider yourself successful? What if you're there and someone around you thinks you're still worthless because they've got their nose turned higher up in the air than you do? Do you have to bust your ass again to achieve goals that match that person so you can feel like you've been successful in life? Where does it stop? Is it that there's only one successful person in life, and it's the richest guy in the world?

Not everybody thinks that the almighty dollar is the measure of everything.
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You're right in some points but wrong on so many others. Success doesn't have to be a measure of wealth, and yes there are some people out there that are perfectly happy living the Big Lebowski life and just passing on by.

But most people i have met, through jobs and friendships, really just hate their jobs, wish they were paid more, worked less, and didn't have to worry about money. Some of them have mentally blocked themselves from thinking they can do better, but most others just don't want to put in the work.

"Yeah, i want to be successful, but i just don't want to work for it. So i think i'll just keep this mediocre job and see if they move me up to management in 4 years" Right.
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Carreer isn't life. Life is a much bigger part of the human being than their job. Bet you a dollar (haha) that the people who aren't happy with their jobs are unhappy in life and that if they fixed their miserable lives (outside of work), would be infinitely happier with their job.
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or the other way around? make more money and you will be that much more happier with your life? Life is what you do and how you get there.......you just go alot more and alot faster with money. You seem like you have accepted that you will never make an amount that you would like and try to convince yourself that youre happy just where you are. Being stagnant is not being happy either......no motivation = might as well be a vegetable.
 
Success means different things to different people. Most would consider being high up in a business to be success, for instance, but I'd consider a stress-filled position full of responsibilities to be anything but, regardless of salary. Many "successful" people suffer from premature heart disease and stroke due to the stresses they face daily.
 
You need capital to raise capital.

If you have $0 in your savings, are living paycheck to paycheck, possibly supporting a family, and only getting $8 an hour, let's see you start your own business.

You'd never get approved for a loan, you'd never be able to buy the merchandise, the tools, lease the warehouse, etc...

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Originally posted by: lytalbayre
You need capital to raise capital.

If you have $0 in your savings, are living paycheck to paycheck, possibly supporting a family, and only getting $8 an hour, let's see you start your own business.

You'd never get approved for a loan, you'd never be able to buy the merchandise, the tools, lease the warehouse, etc...

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Exactly!
 
Reminds me of some dumb rich b!tch in my ethics class. The class was talking about the cycle of poverty, and she blurts out with "I don't understand why they don't just invest". Jesus, b1tch - what the fsck are you gonna invest if you ain't got nothing?!!?
 
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