Ivan Rodriguez: HOFer?

[PlatinumGold]

he is definitely one of the best catchers in the game today. has been for the last 10+ years.

is he a definite first round HOFer?

or does detroit need to win the world series this year to solidify his legacy?

 

[bigrash]

even though Mike Piazza never won a world series, i think he was a better offensive catcher than Rodriguez so 10+ yrs doesnt hold true for me

 

[bennylong]

Is there any question? He's the best defensive catcher in the history of the game and one of the best offensive catcher in history, just behind Piazza.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: bigrash
even though Mike Piazza never won a world series, i think he was a better offensive catcher than Rodriguez so 10+ yrs doesnt hold true for me

i didn't say BEST, i said ONE OF THE BEST.

so, your argument doesn't do it for me.

but, defensively IRod is clearly superior to Piazza.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
he is definitely one of the best catchers in the game today. has been for the last 10+ years.

is he a definite first round HOFer?

or does detroit need to win the world series this year to solidify his legacy?

Solidify his legacy? He's already won a World Series...

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: bennylong
Is there any question? He's the best defensive catcher in the history of the game and one of the best offensive catcher in history, just behind Piazza.

:thumbsup:

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: bigrash
even though Mike Piazza never won a world series, i think he was a better offensive catcher than Rodriguez so 10+ yrs doesnt hold true for me

i didn't say BEST, i said ONE OF THE BEST.

so, your argument doesn't do it for me.

but, defensively IRod is clearly superior to Piazza.

The only defensive category pudge is "clearly superior" in is throwing out base runners, everything else is a push.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: bigrash
even though Mike Piazza never won a world series, i think he was a better offensive catcher than Rodriguez so 10+ yrs doesnt hold true for me

i didn't say BEST, i said ONE OF THE BEST.

so, your argument doesn't do it for me.

but, defensively IRod is clearly superior to Piazza.

The only defensive category pudge is "clearly superior" in is throwing out base runners, everything else is a push.

which part of their respective careers? if you are talking prime to prime possibly. if you are talking piazza with the mets the last 2 yrs and pudge with detroit and the marlins, no way piazza is even close to pudge.

and yes, the power arm of pudge is a very important component of that defense.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: bigrash
even though Mike Piazza never won a world series, i think he was a better offensive catcher than Rodriguez so 10+ yrs doesnt hold true for me

i didn't say BEST, i said ONE OF THE BEST.

so, your argument doesn't do it for me.

but, defensively IRod is clearly superior to Piazza.

The only defensive category pudge is "clearly superior" in is throwing out base runners, everything else is a push.

which part of their respective careers? if you are talking prime to prime possibly. if you are talking piazza with the mets the last 2 yrs and pudge with detroit and the marlins, no way piazza is even close to pudge.

and yes, the power arm of pudge is a very important component of that defense.

you really can't compare piazza the last 2 years with rodriguez the last 2 years. that wouldnt make any sense. that's like saying that zito was a better pitcher than clemens cause he had a better year. you have to compare a career as a whole if you're gonna talk about HOF

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: bigrash

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: bigrash
even though Mike Piazza never won a world series, i think he was a better offensive catcher than Rodriguez so 10+ yrs doesnt hold true for me

i didn't say BEST, i said ONE OF THE BEST.

so, your argument doesn't do it for me.

but, defensively IRod is clearly superior to Piazza.

The only defensive category pudge is "clearly superior" in is throwing out base runners, everything else is a push.

which part of their respective careers? if you are talking prime to prime possibly. if you are talking piazza with the mets the last 2 yrs and pudge with detroit and the marlins, no way piazza is even close to pudge.

and yes, the power arm of pudge is a very important component of that defense.

you really can't compare piazza the last 2 years with rodriguez the last 2 years. that wouldnt make any sense. that's like saying that zito was a better pitcher than clemens cause he had a better year. you have to compare a career as a whole if you're gonna talk about HOF

exactly, their WHOLE careers which includes the last 2, so if we say that pudge ALWAYS had the better arm, they were comparable otherwise defensively but pudge is CLEARLY superior for the last 2, 3 or even 4 seasons, than yes, the net result is over their careers, pudge was and is CLEARLY the better defensive player.

regardless, my OP is correct, IRod is without question one of the best catchers for the last 10+ seasons.

 

[Tylanner]

stupid question

 

[cubby1223]

I think he's a HOF'er, though I wish there weren't steroid rumors surrounding him. Who knows, because if he did take steroids then I'd hope he never gets in. But I really just can't get over the nickname. Carlton Fisk is the true Pudge in baseball! Anywho, I kinda look down on journeymen too, though, but I know it's not all his fault, as the Marlins, for instance, were dumping everyone left & right. All-in-all, I think he's getting into the hall. Maybe not first round, as that's not that easy to do, but he'll eventually make it.

 

[chambersc]

i wish he would stayed with the marlins fvcking fire sale v2.

 

[kalster]

did pudge stop taking roids, hez not so pudge anymore

 

[chuckywang]

no doubt

 

[James3shin]

as long as no steroid rumors pop up, the guy is a hall of famer. He still has a wicked arm, and can pick off a baserunner on 3rd.

 

[cliftonite]

yup