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It's Worse Than You think
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xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
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15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....50 million people have a shot at freedom...you do the math.
Now as usual I was only half paying attention, but I think he was saying that the US deaths in Iraq aren't all that important because way more people died in France over the summer for no reason, and our soldiers' deaths freed 50 million people.
Sounds good...but unfortunitly I've misplaced my little scale that allows me to weigh human life. Apparently the current exchange ration in Iraq is one US soldier to 50,000 Iraqis. Is that a good ratio? And even if it is, unfortunitly it's not over yet. Is 1 to 10,000 still good? How about 1 to 1,000? At what point is it no longer worth it?
xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Banned
Think about it a little more--hint: perspective. I know you are a liberal, but I refuse to do your thinking for you.
Bowfinger
Lifer
Galt, old buddy! Still a racist and faithful Bush fluffer I see. Still exploiting the tragedy in France to divert from the tens of thousands King George killed and continues to kill in Iraq. How many of them were grandparents? How many of them were innocent women and children? Oh that's right, they're only A-rabs. It's not like they're human beings or anything.
:disgust:
Even Bush Has Seperated the terms of "Terrorists" and " insurgents" in the Iraq Conflict. Our military leaders refer to them as Insurgents, but Terrorist adds a more emotional context to it doesnt it.
Iraq is becoming a major Mess with Insurgent groups now controlling some cities and other areas of the Country.
Its not our Fault though, Because everytime we get them surrounded we negotiate their peaceful surrender to save face and enable them to Regroup.
Of Course the Other Option is to bomb the crap out of them and destroy Religous centers or kill civilians trapped in the area of conflict which would anger more of the populace ultimately aiding the insurgency.
Its a catch 22
I guess the real question is whether I would give my life for 50,000,000s shot at freedom or whether I would ask somebody else to die so I could be free. It is pretty amazing, when you think about it, how one man with an evil mind can acquire and maintain control over millions of people by the use of brutal terror. And the worse he becomes the more established becomes his rule. Fascinating. Where were all the suicide bombers then? And I wonder too if Saddam had the same kind of loyalty as Bush, millions of eager followers? This issue to me is far more complex than black and white.
The insurgency doesn't prove that we're failing, IMHO, it validates the need for our strong presence. This conflict has acted like a magnet and regional insurgents, not indiginous ones, are causing much of the ruckous. Therefore, it's like drawing in bees with honey, and then closing the honey trap once they are inside.
Let the insurgents come, their fate is sealed. We won't let up until they are crushed. We're also involving the iraqi army / new police force in these efforts so they can do it on their own when the insurgents have been buried.
Let the insurgents come, their fate is sealed. We won't let up until they are crushed. We're also involving the iraqi army / new police force in these efforts so they can do it on their own when the insurgents have been buried.
OneOfTheseDays
Diamond Member
A shot at freedom? The Iraqi's aren't ready for a democracy, or anything close to it.
CycloWizard
Lifer
/appeal to emotion
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
Regardless of what you think how the war is going, this is NOT the bill of goods that was sold to the American people before this whole thing started.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
Quagmire, anyone?
xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Banned
Outstanding post, sir, and I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. Most of the people opposed to the liberation of an oppressed people have a myopic view of the big picture. The same freedoms we enjoy should be enjoyed the world over, though they aren't. It seems some would rather deny people their basic human rights to further their own political agendas...
excuse me, but while the US is fighting the good fight in a civilian populated area where people dont much like the US being there anyway and the conflict will result in civilian lives. Do you think that maybe the presence there is creating militants to fight the US as well as destroying them? So in the end we might end up with 1000 dead militants who would be fighting the US regardless of where they are and then at least the same number of militants who wouldnt be fighting the US but are because the US has caused them in some way direct or indirect harm?
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