It's Worse Than You think

[arsbanned]

Sixteen months after the war's supposed end, Iraq's insurgency is spreading.
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IMO, this is just further evidence that the Admins reckless policy of attacking the wrong country is a complete failure.
Thoughts, comments?

 

[Ldir]

You do not need to pick out Iraq. Everything about this admin is a complete failure. Failure is what they do best.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

 

[arsbanned]

I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

 

[Shelly21]

It's long road, it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Like vietnam, if we stay a bit longer and cut down all the trees...

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....50 million people have a shot at freedom...you do the math.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....50 million people have a shot at freedom...you do the math.

:roll:

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever seen here. Are you blaming Saddam Hussein for a French heat wave?


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....50 million people have a shot at freedom...you do the math.

:roll:

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever seen here. Are you blaming Saddam Hussein for a French heat wave?

Now as usual I was only half paying attention, but I think he was saying that the US deaths in Iraq aren't all that important because way more people died in France over the summer for no reason, and our soldiers' deaths freed 50 million people.

Sounds good...but unfortunitly I've misplaced my little scale that allows me to weigh human life. Apparently the current exchange ration in Iraq is one US soldier to 50,000 Iraqis. Is that a good ratio? And even if it is, unfortunitly it's not over yet. Is 1 to 10,000 still good? How about 1 to 1,000? At what point is it no longer worth it?

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....50 million people have a shot at freedom...you do the math.

:roll:

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever seen here. Are you blaming Saddam Hussein for a French heat wave?


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1980

Think about it a little more--hint: perspective. I know you are a liberal, but I refuse to do your thinking for you.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....50 million people have a shot at freedom...you do the math.

Galt, old buddy! Still a racist and faithful Bush fluffer I see. Still exploiting the tragedy in France to divert from the tens of thousands King George killed and continues to kill in Iraq. How many of them were grandparents? How many of them were innocent women and children? Oh that's right, they're only A-rabs. It's not like they're human beings or anything.

:disgust:

 

[Bowfinger]

Oops, DP

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....

Relevance to this situation= ZEEEEERO.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....50 million people have a shot at freedom...you do the math.

please please get over your france obsession

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

No, the terrorists are killing people. Our policy is to safeguard iraq and train its forces until they can secure themselves

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

No, the terrorists are killing people. Our policy is to safeguard iraq and train its forces until they can secure themselves

Are you saying the US military are terrorists?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

No, the terrorists are killing people. Our policy is to safeguard iraq and train its forces until they can secure themselves

Are you saying the US military are terrorists?

:disgust:

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

No, the terrorists are killing people. Our policy is to safeguard iraq and train its forces until they can secure themselves

Even Bush Has Seperated the terms of "Terrorists" and " insurgents" in the Iraq Conflict. Our military leaders refer to them as Insurgents, but Terrorist adds a more emotional context to it doesnt it.


Iraq is becoming a major Mess with Insurgent groups now controlling some cities and other areas of the Country.


Its not our Fault though, Because everytime we get them surrounded we negotiate their peaceful surrender to save face and enable them to Regroup.


Of Course the Other Option is to bomb the crap out of them and destroy Religous centers or kill civilians trapped in the area of conflict which would anger more of the populace ultimately aiding the insurgency.



Its a catch 22

 

[Moonbeam]

I guess the real question is whether I would give my life for 50,000,000s shot at freedom or whether I would ask somebody else to die so I could be free. It is pretty amazing, when you think about it, how one man with an evil mind can acquire and maintain control over millions of people by the use of brutal terror. And the worse he becomes the more established becomes his rule. Fascinating. Where were all the suicide bombers then? And I wonder too if Saddam had the same kind of loyalty as Bush, millions of eager followers? This issue to me is far more complex than black and white.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: arsbanned
I agree, however, it's the policy which is getting the most people killed.

15,000 grandparents died in France during the summer....50 million people have a shot at freedom...you do the math.

Yes, the freedom to live under constant terror from insurgency? Or the freedom to live without electricity in 100+ degree weather?

 

[Gravity]

The insurgency doesn't prove that we're failing, IMHO, it validates the need for our strong presence. This conflict has acted like a magnet and regional insurgents, not indiginous ones, are causing much of the ruckous. Therefore, it's like drawing in bees with honey, and then closing the honey trap once they are inside.

Let the insurgents come, their fate is sealed. We won't let up until they are crushed. We're also involving the iraqi army / new police force in these efforts so they can do it on their own when the insurgents have been buried.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

A shot at freedom? The Iraqi's aren't ready for a democracy, or anything close to it.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Sixteen months after the war's supposed end, Iraq's insurgency is spreading.
Link
Mission Accomplished?
Bring It On?
IMO, this is just further evidence that the Admins reckless policy of attacking the wrong country is a complete failure.
Thoughts, comments?

/appeal to emotion

 

[Darkhawk28]

Regardless of what you think how the war is going, this is NOT the bill of goods that was sold to the American people before this whole thing started.

 

[judasmachine]

Quagmire, anyone?

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Gravity
The insurgency doesn't prove that we're failing, IMHO, it validates the need for our strong presence. This conflict has acted like a magnet and regional insurgents, not indiginous ones, are causing much of the ruckous. Therefore, it's like drawing in bees with honey, and then closing the honey trap once they are inside.

Let the insurgents come, their fate is sealed. We won't let up until they are crushed. We're also involving the iraqi army / new police force in these efforts so they can do it on their own when the insurgents have been buried.

Outstanding post, sir, and I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. Most of the people opposed to the liberation of an oppressed people have a myopic view of the big picture. The same freedoms we enjoy should be enjoyed the world over, though they aren't. It seems some would rather deny people their basic human rights to further their own political agendas...

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Gravity
The insurgency doesn't prove that we're failing, IMHO, it validates the need for our strong presence. This conflict has acted like a magnet and regional insurgents, not indiginous ones, are causing much of the ruckous. Therefore, it's like drawing in bees with honey, and then closing the honey trap once they are inside.

Let the insurgents come, their fate is sealed. We won't let up until they are crushed. We're also involving the iraqi army / new police force in these efforts so they can do it on their own when the insurgents have been buried.

excuse me, but while the US is fighting the good fight in a civilian populated area where people dont much like the US being there anyway and the conflict will result in civilian lives. Do you think that maybe the presence there is creating militants to fight the US as well as destroying them? So in the end we might end up with 1000 dead militants who would be fighting the US regardless of where they are and then at least the same number of militants who wouldnt be fighting the US but are because the US has caused them in some way direct or indirect harm?